Could America be inching closer to civil war?

aiki said:

What President doesn't want to continue to serve his country as President, if he can? And what President hides this fact? Obama certainly didn't. Did the mainstream media play him up as the next Hitler for wanting and talking about a second term as President, as they do with Trump? No.



Which is why, since assuming the POTUS office, Trump has donated his presidential salary to various federal agencies, right? Because a person who doesn't care "didley squat for anyone but himself" would do this, of course. What a selfish donator Trump is, eh?! Giving his salary away. Selfish...

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You're spouting Leftist propaganda, not the truth.



Baloney. Just more propaganda. "Attempted coup" is a ridiculous characterization of the situation and is, in fact, the Left "calling the kettle black." If any "coup" has gone on, it is has been by the Left (aka Democrats, mainstream media and Big Tech - Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, etc.) through the incredible election corruption and manipulation it has perpetrated upon the American public. Now, there's a "coup."




Not surprise. Horror. Biden's in bed with the CCP (recall his son and bagman, Hunter Biden, taking millions from Xi Xiping) which is, I think, ultimately behind much of the political divisiveness and electoral corruption bringing America down into Communism. Through Biden and the nascent Communist Leftists he represents, America continues its journey (though, now more openly and quickly) toward becoming the next Cuba, or Venezuela or, if Xi Xiping's plans come true, communist China.



Have the measures taken so far, the oppressive, authoritarian lockdowns, halted the spread of the virus? No. The only thing that has been done that may have a serious countering effect upon the spread of the virus is the unprecedented rapid development of vaccines accomplished under Trump's administration.

The lockdowns are causing at least as much harm as good. In fact, I think, much more. Small businesses are collapsing, savings are disappearing while debts mount, jobs are lost, prolonged isolation is provoking depression, loneliness, addictions and suicide, and the national economy is mounding up astronomical debt that heralds an incredible economic collapse.

The tail is wagging the dog. It is a relatively small minority of people who are seriously vulnerable to the virus. And they are so because they have, as they've aged, accumulated co-morbidities that make them very susceptible to the virus. Many who are infected have no symptoms at all. And those who get discernibly ill with the virus have a 97-99% recovery rate. But, for the sake of a small vulnerable minority, the entire nation is being made prisoner, devastated economically and socially in the process in ways that will bear terrible fruit in the next few years. Government over-reach is being normalized and the erosion of personal rights and freedoms yielded without protest.

How delighted Xi Xiping must be.



You might want to look up the phrase "useful idiot."

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chilehed said:

Indeed it does, by proving my point! You have absolutely no clue why that guy is wearing that hoodie, and you assume without evidence that he's doing it because he's a racist and not because he wants to illustrate his belief that the election's being stolen by a bunch of would-be totalitarians. That's the same thing that was done to the protesters in Michigan last summer: they were waving Nazi symbols because they were calling Gov. Whitmer a totalitarian thug, but they were accused in the media of doing it because they were Nazi sympathizers. More lies.

And you do this in order to bootstrap it into an accusation that Trump is a racist and xenophobe, without bothering to provide any evidence of anything he did that could reasonably support that slander. You should be embarrassed and ashamed.

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mmksparbud said:

Ask any Jew and he w3ill tell y0u what this means. Trump is all about racism. Yes, His daughter is married to as Jews, and he has been pro Israel compared to Hilary and others, but his supporters are racists and bigots. I know many of them and know their feelings about blacks and other races. Did you see any blacks during those riots? I didn't. What you do see is people like the one above and the Confederate flag. So don't tell me there is no proof---the rioters themselves are the prove!

US allies say Trump attempted coup with help from federal law enforcement - Business Insider

The supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday to stop the ratification of President-elect Joe Biden's election victory were attempting a violent coup that multiple European security officials said appeared to have at least tacit support from aspects of the US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex.

Insider spoke with three officials on Thursday morning: a French police official responsible for public security in a key section of central Paris, and two intelligence officials from NATO countries who directly work in counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations involving the US, terrorism, and Russia.

They said the circumstantial evidence available pointed to what would be openly called a coup attempt in any other nation. None were willing to speak on the record because of the dire nature of the subject.

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chilehed said:

So I take it that you concede that you can't actually show any actual evidence that Trump's a racist and xenophobe? You have nothing more than people calling him that and guilt by involuntary association? Nothing that he himself has said or done?

Like I said, you should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourself.

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• Dominion Voting Systems has filed a defamation suit against the pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell, seeking $1.3 billion in damages.
• Powell, a former lawyer for President Donald Trump's campaign, has pushed a debunked conspiracy theory that the election-technology company falsified results in the 2020 presidential election.
• Dominion's new lawsuit outlines numerous falsehoods in Powell's election lawsuits and public statements about the election and Dominion's involvement.
• The voting technology company alleged that her conspiracy theories were all the more damaging because they were amplified by Trump and right-wing media outlets.

Wolseley said:

Well said

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mmksparbud said:

I already proved it.

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mmksparbud said:

NO! I am not ashamed of my dislike of this conman!

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mmksparbud said:

You are the one that supports him, not I.

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mmksparbud said:

They said the circumstantial evidence available pointed to what would be openly called a coup attempt in any other nation.

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mmksparbud said:

I do hope they really go through with it!!

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mmksparbud said:

Trump is all about racism.

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mmksparbud said:

his supporters are racists and bigots.

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chilehed said:

All you've done is explain why you're convinced of it, and all you've proven is that your reasoning is completely irrational.

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chilehed said:

I didn't at all say that you should be, and you thinking otherwise just displays sloppiness in understanding what's said to you. It's abundantly clear that I said that you should be ashamed of the kind of lazy slander you're throwing about.

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chilehed said:

More sloppy thinking. I've never said that I support him, that's yet another thing you've made up in your own head. I think the guy's a blowhard, and the only reason I voted for him was because he wasn't as bad as the totalitarian thugs of the Democrat party.

Rave on as you wish. Any reasonable observer will see it for what it is. I'm done here.

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GDL said:

This is so stupid I'm not surprised to see it posted. A minute fraction of an overall peaceful & lawful protest splinters off & goes stupid as it only can. And we're concerned that the US with all of its police & guard capabilities can be overthrown in some supposed coup of a few! The heightened drama is almost overwhelming.

I haven't looked to see any estimates of how many people attended the mainly peaceful march. But, let's say some number of thousands, tens of thousands, or pick your reasonable number, took over & occupied the capital and could seriously demand whatever their coup was for. Maybe then we could talk coup. Rhetoric, drama, nonsense.

I too condemn the criminality & call on legal remedies against the few who committed the crimes. The fringe on both sides and their conspiratorial funders should be dealt with by legal means & authorities, if there are any left who take such things seriously and can actually close cases apart from years of investigations and whatever else they do with our resources. But, just as offensive is the input of those who push the narrative of extremes.

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9Rock9 said:

Sure, but the Left is probably how we got Trump in the first place, as pushback against progressivism.

Though, maybe the non-Trump Republicans will finally have a spine this time around.

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chilehed said:

Indeed it does, by proving my point! You have absolutely no clue why that guy is wearing that hoodie, and you assume without evidence that he's doing it because he's a racist and not because he wants to illustrate his belief that the election's being stolen by a bunch of would-be totalitarians. That's the same thing that was done to the protesters in Michigan last summer: they were waving Nazi symbols because they were calling Gov. Whitmer a totalitarian thug, but they were accused in the media of doing it because they were Nazi sympathizers. More lies.

And you do this in order to bootstrap it into an accusation that Trump is a racist and xenophobe, without bothering to provide any evidence of anything he did that could reasonably support that slander. You should be embarrassed and ashamed.

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GDL said:

Agree, but 12 years is probably light.

One of the problems with the lawful side is that they usually do not allow themselves (or maybe cannot) get their minds down into the depths of realizing that the lawless don't play by the rules. Little to nothing is off the table when there are no rules and when hypocrisy becomes a strategy instead of a barrier.

What will be interesting to see as time moves forward is whether or not enough of the 75m who voted for Trump abandon the course and allow the GOP to remain in this weak condition. I'm thinking no. But it may not matter according to some who think there will be some deeper entrenchment taking place in the next 4 years.

If Trump remains in the game instead of settling down on a ranch - and he does not seem to be the low profile, behind the scenes type - then things will get interesting. He has a very large subscriber base and maybe he'll continue the battle in the forefront unlike most who have gone before him.

Some of the base seems to be saying he has altered the GOP. It seems many are settled on seeing this change fully accomplished and be rid of the same ole party that has actually become not the same ole party, but has melded into more a part of a single party now just acting as if it is two.

IF people continue to pay attention and be involved in all gov't activities down to the lower levels, then the DC business as usual will change. IF not, then those who don't play by the "rules" will be making ever more harsh & stupid rules for the rest to keep. It's been growing into this slowly. But at some point slowly reaches its goal.

This is not new. It is a historical cycle of and swing between liberty to tyranny to liberty to tyranny... This is why the founders said they were handing over something that needed to be kept. All these forms of gov't are experiments. The USC is paper. It governs those who agree to be governed by it. It's the same as the LAW. It needs to be on hearts not on paper.

The ultimate issue is one of standards. Whose standards will we agree to live by? And this is why there really will never be a real peace in the world as it is. People cannot agree on what is right vs. wrong - good vs. bad. When the pendulum is swung too far one way, the battles intensify to push back to a balance we can live with. But the pendulum does not remain at center. Interestingly it does move slowly though, so some get to live in times of relative peace, until they don't. Others are born into the middle of the conflict.

As for the racist & bigotry stuff, there's always fringe on both sides. And there are always those who want to define the standards of what is and is not racism & bigotry & etc... There are also false flags strategies. Do the bulk in either party support the actions of the fringe? Surely not. Not yet anyway.

Interesting times. Nothing new under the sun...

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mmksparbud said:

Very peaceful--only 5 people killed. How many does it take for you? People are just investigating the cause of all this---something that some people are apparently opposed to.

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mmksparbud said:

Wrong!! What he wants is to continue being President, he has said so often enough, or have you not paid attention to what he actually says? And he doesn't care didley squat for anyone but himself, certainly not this country. He has decided to change his language a bit and now says he just wants a fair election. This attempted coup showed the world exactly what he wants-=--to take over the country, to eliminate over 6 million votes and steal them for himself, he wants to stay away from the over a dozen lawsuits waiting for him and his family after he is no longer president.
You and your fellow fear mongers may be in for a surprise after Biden takes over. He has a country to protect from a virus that he takes seriously and doesn't try to laugh it of as though it's no big deal--thousands upon thousands have died and all he can say is---"It is what it is." Well, guess what, he lost the election---fair and square, no evidence of fraud and his lawyers all had to admit there was no fraud before judges that he appointed---IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!

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rjs330 said:

I agree mostly. I guess the left has lied and manipulated the truth for so long now, gotten away with cheating, lying, hypocritical behavior for so long now. I think the Democrats have fully embraced the radical left now.

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