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Convince me of Continuationism.

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Bible Highlighter, Jul 12, 2020.

  1. Radagast

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    That passage is about Jesus giving gifts to the Church.

    That's a different kind of gift from the "spiritual gifts" in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11.

    In the same way, being a pastor and teacher is not a "spiritual gift" in the sense of 1 Corinthians 12:7-11. That is why some pastors and teachers are Cessationists.
     
  2. Albion

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    You may call it a gift (or an "assignment," or "responsibility"??) but it still is not a gift in the sense that the miraculous and unnatural abilities suddenly being acquired by people thanks to the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit" were.
     
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  3. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I am looking for a sincere explanation WITH SCRIPTURE to not only give a rebuttal to the points I made in the Cessationist thread link I provided in the OP, but I am looking for sound apologetics WITH SCRIPTURE to defend Continuationism. Things like “mirror” in 1 Corinthians 13 appear to fit the Cessationist view best. If you or someone else can come up with a really good spiritual explanation on the meaning of the “mirror” I am all ears. I have watched a few Continuationist vs. Cessationist debates on YouTube. It just seems that the Cessationist view makes the most sense in light of Scripture. But I could be wrong. Hence, why I am asking folks to convince me of their position. Lay forth your best case with Scripture.

    I used to believe that water baptism was for today, but I believe Spirit baptism has replaced water baptism. I believe the one baptism for today is the one mentioned in Ephesians 4:5. I believe things have changed or progressed. So I am willing to change my view if there is Scriptural support for that position.
     
  4. Guojing

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    So you are saying that we are now in the gospel of the grace of God, which was committed to paul For us gentiles.

    The gospel of the kingdom is not for us correct? It was for Israel
     
  5. Radagast

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    It's also the case that many Continuationists seem to be "soft Continuationists" (with no more infallible prophecy and no more Acts of the Apostles 2:6-11). Soft Continuationism makes some specific theological claims that I think are not Biblical.

    On the other hand, if you believe in continuing infallible prophecy, you run into the problem of why the writings of infallible prophets don't get added to Scripture.
     
  6. Bible Highlighter

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    I am not sure you understood what I am talking about.

    1 “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.” (Mark 1:1-5).​

    Again, we can see the beginning of the GOSPEL included a description of John the baptist being a forerunner for the coming of Jesus. This is still not happening today. So the gospel has progressed or evolved. The ultimate fruition of the GOSPEL (like an apple seed being planted to evolve into an apple tree), or the heart of the GOSPEL is this:

    1 “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
    This is the central point of the GOSPEL or the good news.
    We are not preaching the beginning of the gospel of John the Baptist forerunning the coming of the Lord alone, and leaving the story end there involving the gospel.
     
  7. Bible Highlighter

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    Right. This to me is a big point for Cessationism. If visions and prophecies are still happening, then we need to add them to the back of the Bible as official Scripture. But Revelation says we are not to add any words to the prophecy of that book. Revelation is the ending book of the Bible, and it concludes the Bible. So we cannot add any new prophetic words to that book or the end of the Bible.
     
  8. Guojing

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    Let me rephrase, is the good news now about Jesus coming as our promised king, to usher in the kingdom of heaven on earth?
     
  9. Bible Highlighter

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    Continuationists also seem to be more accepting of things I know are clearly false or unbiblical like the Divine Revelation of Hell by Mary K. Baxter, etc.; They appear to accept any new vision or revelation or book with open arms instead of scrutinizing it with Scripture. Granted, this does not mean the Continuationist view is entirely wrong, though. I leave some room for mystery so as not to condemn myself just in case I am wrong.
     
  10. Bible Highlighter

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    I already told you the good news. The good news is believing that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later for our salvation according to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
     
  11. Bible Highlighter

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    If you are trying to make a different case for the gospel, then by all means, bring forth Scripture to make that case instead of asking questions.
     
  12. topher694

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  13. Albion

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    As I am following along with these posts, it looks like "Bible Highlighter" couldn't have made the answer to your question any clearer than he did by highlighting the answer in red, straight from Scripture. :)
     
  14. Bible Highlighter

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    I did not call it a gift. Scripture calls it a gift. Just go back and read the passage again.
     
  15. Radagast

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    Which is why most modern Continuationists say that infallible NT prophecy has ceased, but fallible NT prophecy has continued.

    Personally, I see no evidence in the NT of a "gift of fallible prophecy." It also seems like a pretty useless gift. Deuteronomy 18:20-22 indicates that fallible "prophets" should be put to death.

    That fits in with this "doctrine of fallible prophecy." It allows "prophets" to be wrong without any real accountability.
     
  16. topher694

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    Incorrect/incomplete/narrow understanding of prophecy overall and Deut 18:20-22
     
  17. Radagast

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    Oh, it's a gift. But @Albion and I are saying that there are two different kinds of gift.
     
  18. Radagast

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    In other words, you disagree, but have no Biblical argument to back up your opinion.
     
  19. topher694

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    Also incorrect. I wrote a long post on here in the sign gifts section breaking this very thing down. It was designed to only be part 1 of a series explaining prophecy and full of Biblical arguments. You know what? Hardly anyone looks at that. You know why? Most people don't care to learn, they only care about being right.
     
  20. Albion

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    That isn't the issue. The Magi brought gifts to the stable where the baby Jesus lay. Are we to consider gold and incense to be "gifts of the Holy Spirit" also?

    No. While the word itself can be used in several different ways, this doesn't mean that those gifts which are listed in Scripture as the "gifts of the Holy Spirit" AND WHICH ARE OF A QUITE DIFFERENT CHARACTER from placing a person in the role of teacher or missionary or church administrator are somehow the same.
     
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