You don't care anyway.
I put up links when I posted to you, but you cling to your opinion instead.
Conservative legal group challenges 'mindfulness' in schools
On the one hand I think its strange how mindfulness has become a fad, what Ron Percer calls "McMindfulness". On the other hand, it does make conservative evangelicals seem picayune to object to something that is devoid of obvious religious content (and I don't think "connecting to the universe" is a religious concept, even if it was removed from the curriculum in response to feedback). It's almost as if their idea of being a human being never includes paying attention to anything except their Bibles and religious dogma.
It merely states that the government of America is not founded on the Christian religion it does not mean that the country itself was not founded with the principles and values of Christianity.
The separation of church and state is fundamental in Christianity.
1) The founding fathers made it exceptionally clear that the United States was not founded on the Christian religion, as the language from the Treaty of Tripoli clearly states. And the mention of religion in our founding legal document--the Constitution--is very clear about the non-establishment of religion.
What you described creates the gateway to the sorcery oriented network.Not at all. Mindfulness is about observing your own inner self without attachment not some "sorcery oriented network".
That's not the case in my experience.The Law of Attraction is not taught as part of mindfulness. Most minduflness teachers would consider it superstition.
I've never encountered teacher/administrator lead prayer in public schools, and I'm 43 years old. That has been a settled issue in public schools for a long time, my entire adult life and beyond.
So my guess is some folks are quite a bit older than me.
Where in the bible was any of that taught by Jesus? or Peter, or Paul?
The issue is not the religiousness or lack of religiousness of the practice, but the spirituality involved, a somewhat different issue.
I think it would be best on a opt in basis.
There may be potential problems of spiritual crisis in some practitioners because western societies have historically placed an accent on the conscious mind and reasoning they therefore have little experience in meditative practices. Its not for no reason as I have mentioned several times on these forums that even Jung cautioned westerners from dabbling in eastern meditative practices.
That's not the case in my experience.
What you described creates the gateway to the sorcery oriented network.
Isn't mindfulness basically the same practice as zenbuddhism?
You really know nothing about the practice then and your comment is an example why the author Warren Smith who speaks in churches about his experience as a New Age practitioner prior to becoming a Christian was very shocked at the gullibility & total lack of spiritual knowledge or discernment in the average churches.Nothing religious here. So what there is meditation in Buddhism or Hinduism. How about Ramadan fasting in Islam? Should we protest certain diets because they somehow resemble this Muslim practice? Absurd. Totally absurd.
It just shows blindness of religious folks today. So many real issues are never addressed, everybody is happy and content. Like government attacking foreign countries to get hold of their natural resources (Iraq, Lybia, etc). Or limiting our freedoms in the name of security.
Schools are easy targets, that's all... So sad, I'm ashamed to be a Christian when I hear about things like that....
That must've been very interesting. Are they one of the forms of western monasticism which adhere to a vow of silence? Forgive me, but I can't remember which ones do and which don't. (And monasteries are generally fairly quiet anyway.)
Of course. The point is not to make everyone be Coptic people. I didn't magically become an Egyptian when I joined the Coptic Orthodox Church either, but if they can get something from the teachings anyway, then who really cares? Neither were all of the desert fathers or for that matter even the 'Coptic' popes ethnic Egyptians (consider Abba John the Persian, the great Roman fathers like Abba Arsanios, Abba Maximos, etc.), because that doesn't matter at all. Orthodoxy is Orthodoxy, whether you want to present it that explicitly or not. I believe everyone can benefit from a daily prayer rule, and this is the one of my particular Church and tradition.
Again, everyone can benefit from a daily prayer rule, even more so than these children could benefit from contentless meditation. With respect, I think you may be making more than I intended of the form. The Coptic practice of chanting or praying the Agpeya is but one ancient form of Christian prayer which encourages mindfulness. There are certainly others:
Benedictine
Indian Orthodox Syrian
Syriac Orthodox (Mesopotamian -- Iraq, Turkey, Syria, etc.)
Etc.
And all of these are fully adaptable and adapted to the local languages and cultures to the extent that they thus far have been so adapted (e.g., Syriac prayers in Malayalam in the Indian case, or Coptic prayers in Spanish for the Bolivian Coptic Church, etc.), as Christianity has always striven to be. So again, the matter is not the form (all of these just come in particular forms precisely because of their adaptation by people in particular places and times; if Westerners don't have their own forms then it's just because they've forgotten them -- it's not like St. John Cassian or Benedict of Nursia cease having ever existed because modern day Westerners would rather watch Netflix than pray or something), so much as presenting deeply rooted and meaningful Christian alternatives to contentless, generically "Eastern" or "New Age" meditation, so that conservative Christians don't have to freak out about it, since they'd know that Christianity has both mindfulness and content, in every place it has ever gone and among every people.
I tend to see this sort of thing as a defensive reaction among people who do not necessarily have or know that they have such roots in their own religion, and are afraid of losing their children to more "hip" and trendy things, like generic new age-y "Spiritual but not Religious" piffle. That's a real fear, for sure, but the answer is not to rage about the piffle! The answer is to present the alternative which will resonate in your society or your community or your family (probably not at a public school, unless you want to make a big scene; though there is nothing that would stop your child from bringing a Psalm book to school and praying from it privately during the meditation time, I wouldn't imagine), whether it comes from here, there or anywhere. So long as it is orthodox, who can fear anything? Either God is with us or He isn't, and I believe He is.
Psalm 57 (56) in English, according to the Agpeya. How sweet it is. +
"O Sing Unto Him" -- Midnight Praise in English, another worthy, God-honoring alternative to the emptiness of the New Age
Your comment reminds me of the sorry state of most of the worldly liberal churches, they never got past milk.Half-educated opinions from religious ideologues don't count.
Your comment reminds me of the sorry state of most of the worldly liberal churches, they never got past milk.
Not at all. Mindfulness is about observing your own inner self without attachment not some "sorcery oriented network".
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