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Featured conservative groups fight mindfulness in schools

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by FireDragon76, Jul 10, 2019.

  1. hedrick

    hedrick Senior Veteran Supporter

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    This seems to be the closest one can legally come to prayer in the schools. I think it would be easy for Christian parents to work with their kids to turn it into the real thing.
     
  2. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    Today's winner.
     
  3. Pedra

    Pedra Newbie

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    Thanks! I see no point in engaging with a person who doesn't read what others have posted and could care less. Bye.
     
  4. FireDragon76

    FireDragon76 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Most of the responses here certainly don't convince me that evangelicals have a certain, secure basis in truth. All I am really hearing is fear and defensiveness behind all these assertions that mindfulness is dangerous. And I think that sums up this thread.
     
  5. Pedra

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    Your not hearing is the problem.
     
  6. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    Basic things like "don't murder" have never been exclusive to Jewish and Christian societies.

    Civil law, as a social principle, does not require a dependency upon the Decalogue. As the civil laws and governance of societies throughout history quite adequately illustrates.

    No, human beings are not "so good at heart"; we are innately sinners. Let's not confuse socio-political issues with theology here.

    Yep. Don't stop there, don't forget to mention America's genocide of the Native Americans, the institution of race-based chattel slavery, America's history of lynchings.

    Nominally Christian societies produce an equal amount of evil as non-Christian ones. So I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is.

    All I said was that the Ten Commandments isn't the basis of American civil law, nor is it necessary for a society to have a system of law.

    Yep, some pretty abhorrent things out in the world. Still unsure what this has to do with what I said.

    And I don't think that's even true. We were among the last western nation to abolish slavery, our racialist policies which have existed into and permeated into the late 20th century and are still felt even now in the 21st century has resulted in grotesque amounts of injustice and violence against people of color.

    Our healthcare is among the worst among the developed world. There is, right now, thousands of people being locked up in concentration camps along the border.

    Our for-profit prison systems amount to little more than the re-institutionalization of slavery.

    We're better than many countries, but we are--on the whole--subpar at best.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  7. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Well New Age is a mish mash of a bunch of religious practices such as Zen and Mindfulness, this is where north america got the exposure.
     
  8. Michael Collum

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    I think it's more of a young adults thing, since the gateway so to speak opens up at puberty anyway. Teaching it to anyone younger may be inviting stuff they can't handle.
     
  9. Deborah D

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    I don't disagree with all of your opinions, but your comment is kind of an ultra-liberal rant, don't you think? I included factual information in my comments, not just opinion, but you don't seem to be interested in documenting what you say.

    I'm afraid the public schools are producing citizens who don't know the difference between fact and opinion any more because they are encouraged to construct their own version of reality. It's called Constructivism, a revamping of Dewey's Progressivism, a form of liberalism that has been infiltrating our schools since the 1930s.

    As a public school teacher, I was called on the carpet by the principal for teaching about the Protestant Reformation, which was explained in the state-approved history textbook issued to me by the school system. Do you not see what's wrong with this picture?

    Christian truth is prohibited, and school children are being told that there is no such thing as objective truth while they are being led to "connect to the universe".... It's all a perfect setup for the antichrist to begin controlling the poor minions who wouldn't know truth if it bit them on the rear.
     
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  10. LaBèlla

    LaBèlla His will❣️my fate Supporter

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    The absence of reasoning is frightening. And the constant want for agreement and validation is shocking. There are many who are unable to cope with adult challenges and responsibilities. It’s mind boggling.
     
  11. Michael Collum

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    My main concern is how this will evolve the growing landscape of that paranormal construct in which all hearts and minds are connected.

    But whatever happens, whatever. :p
     
  12. FireDragon76

    FireDragon76 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    All I'm hearing is polemical assertions made without real engagement with the subject matter.
     
  13. Deborah D

    Deborah D Prayer Warrior Supporter

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    Good point. The mind meld! :eek:
     
  14. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    The biblical basis of this really esoteric, so I just address it as mysticism.

    But I've done my homework ;)
     
  15. FireDragon76

    FireDragon76 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Zen isn't part of the New Age. New Age is a broad range of new religious movements, pseudoscience and wishful thinking, all having their roots primarily in America and England, not in Asia.
     
  16. Archivist

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    Actually they did it when the Supreme Court ordered them to, which was in the 60s.

    Except public schools didn’t exist at the time the nation was founded. They really didn’t come about until the early 1800s after most of the founders were gone. The first public schools were founded in New England in 1837 under Horace Mann.

    So what are we supposed to teach, Christianity in public schools?

    Again, the Founding Fatgers wouldn’t have a clue because public schools were generally after their time.

    I had a teacher friend, since passed away, who started teaching when prayer and Bible reading still happened in schools. He was a devout Christian, but he said that it was a good thing when mandatory prayer and Bible reading were removed. He told me that each day a student was required to come forward and read a verse from the Bible. The students picked the verse. Many times the student would simply say something like “Jesus wept, man” and sit down. They made a joke of it. The prayers were recited by teachers, but those who didn’t think it belonged in school made it very clear that they weren’t interested. BTW, if you lived in an area with a Jewish or Muslim majority, would you want your children to be required to hear their prayers?
     
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  17. Deborah D

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    My understanding is that New Age has its roots in the Eastern religions, including Zen, which is a form of Buddhism.

    According to Wikipedia, "Despite its highly eclectic nature, a number of beliefs commonly found within the New Age have been identified. Theologically, the New Age typically adopts a belief in a holistic form of divinity that imbues all of the universe, including human beings themselves."

    This sounds an awful lot like pantheism, which is the foundation of Eastern religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism. Pantheism is the belief that God is all, or what's called the "Divine Unity." IOW, pantheists believe that all that exists is God.
     
  18. Michael Collum

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    Having spent a long time with actual new agers, I know this not to be true.
     
  19. Deborah D

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    Really, I don't even know where to start with all that is wrong with this reasoning. So, since it's almost time to go to sleep where I live, I'll have to leave this til tomorrow. Hope you don't mind. :)
     
  20. Deborah D

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    Now, don't confuse him with the facts. :oops:
     
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