Consciousness

[Doveaman]

Consciousness is the energy of the mind that produces awareness.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed; it can only change form.

The energy of consciousness was not created, nor can it be destroyed; it simply changes form (kinetic consciousness or potential consciousness).

In life, consciousness is in its kinetic form.

In death, consciousness is in its potential form.

In the resurrection, consciousness is restored to its kinetic form.

Consciousness has always existed and has taken on a kinetic form in the human mind to produce human awareness.

 

[quatona]

Consciousness is the energy of the mind that produces awareness.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed; it can only change form.

The energy of consciousness was not created, nor can it be destroyed; it simply changes form (kinetic consciousness or potential consciousness).

In life, consciousness is in its kinetic form.

In death, consciousness is in its potential form.

In the resurrection, consciousness is restored to its kinetic form.

Consciousness has always existed and has taken on a kinetic form in the human mind to produce human awareness.

I don´t think that "kinetic vs potential" is a useful distinction of "forms of energy".

 

[durangodawood]

Consciousness is the energy of the mind that produces awareness.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed; it can only change form.

The energy of consciousness was not created, nor can it be destroyed; it simply changes form (kinetic consciousness or potential consciousness).

In life, consciousness is in its kinetic form.

In death, consciousness is in its potential form.

In the resurrection, consciousness is restored to its kinetic form.

Consciousness has always existed and has taken on a kinetic form in the human mind to produce human awareness.

Sort of a poetic description of a faith position, using the language of science.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I don´t think that "kinetic vs potential" is a useful distinction of "forms of energy".

Not in this context - it's a valid distinction when talking about energy in physics, but whatever Doveaman is talking about, it isn't energy in any scientific sense.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Consciousness is the energy of the mind that produces awareness.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed; it can only change form.

The energy of consciousness was not created, nor can it be destroyed; it simply changes form (kinetic consciousness or potential consciousness).

In life, consciousness is in its kinetic form.

In death, consciousness is in its potential form.

In the resurrection, consciousness is restored to its kinetic form.

Consciousness has always existed and has taken on a kinetic form in the human mind to produce human awareness.

You're likely to be misunderstood and confuse people if you use well-defined physical terms to describe something completely different in a science forum.

Energy isn't some kind of stuff in its own right, it's an indirectly observed property that stuff has, according to its physical state and context. Kinetic energy is the energy something has by virtue of its relative motion. Potential energy is the energy something has due to its position or physical status relative to other stuff.

 

[SkyWriting]

Consciousness is the energy of the mind that produces awareness.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed; it can only change form.

The energy of consciousness was not created, nor can it be destroyed; it simply changes form (kinetic consciousness or potential consciousness).

In life, consciousness is in its kinetic form.

In death, consciousness is in its potential form.

In the resurrection, consciousness is restored to its kinetic form.

Consciousness has always existed and has taken on a kinetic form in the human mind to produce human awareness.

Ya.....I don't agree with any of those statements.
They all seem to point to energy being God, which I can't support in Faith.

 

[quatona]

Not in this context - it's a valid distinction when talking about energy in physics, but whatever Doveaman is talking about, it isn't energy in any scientific sense.

Yeah, I´m not a scientist. But to call non-consciousness "potential consciousness" and then categorize it as a "form of consciousness" seems a bit adventurous - from a logical and semantic pov.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yeah, I´m not a scientist. But to call non-consciousness "potential consciousness" and then categorize it as a "form of consciousness" seems a bit adventurous - from a logical and semantic pov.

Yes, you're right - I was thinking in terms of the meaning of 'potential energy' and 'kinetic energy' in physics, but it's also nonsensical in everyday terms too!

 

[VirOptimus]

Pointless and factfree statements.

 

[Doveaman]

I don´t think that "kinetic vs potential" is a useful distinction of "forms of energy".

Kinetic and potential energy are the two main forms of energy under which all other forms fall.

 

[Doveaman]

Sort of a poetic description of a faith position, using the language of science.

That usually happens when science confirms our faith.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Consciousness is the energy of the mind that produces awareness.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed; it can only change form.

The energy of consciousness was not created, nor can it be destroyed; it simply changes form (kinetic consciousness or potential consciousness).

In life, consciousness is in its kinetic form.

In death, consciousness is in its potential form.

In the resurrection, consciousness is restored to its kinetic form.

Consciousness has always existed and has taken on a kinetic form in the human mind to produce human awareness.

Consciousness is a function of a material brain.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Kinetic and potential energy are the two main forms of energy under which all other forms fall.

And in physical terms, consciousness is a computational process that converts chemical energy to heat energy.

 

[Doveaman]

Energy isn't some kind of stuff in its own right

I agree.

it's an indirectly observed property that stuff has, according to its physical state and context.

Consciousness is not observed, but we experience its effects.

Kinetic energy is the energy something has by virtue of its relative motion.

Consciousness is the energy that produces awareness, just as electricity is the energy that produces light.

Potential energy is the energy something has due to its position or physical status relative to other stuff.

The question then is, where is consciousness stored when we are asleep?

 

[durangodawood]

That usually happens when science confirms our faith.

Really?

When science confirms faith, the faithful feel confident to speak in terms of actual science, rather that just mumbling random 'science noises'.

 

[Doveaman]

Yeah, I´m not a scientist. But to call non-consciousness "potential consciousness" and then categorize it as a "form of consciousness" seems a bit adventurous - from a logical and semantic pov.

That depends on your definition of "consciousness".

The potential energy in a battery is not non-energy.

 

[Doveaman]

Consciousness is a function of a material brain.

Consciousness may be produced in the brain, but not necessarily by the brain.

The brain may simply be a physical transmitter through which consciousness transmits itself in the form of awareness.

Consciousness --> Brain --> Awareness

In that order.

 

[Doveaman]

And in physical terms, consciousness is a computational process that converts chemical energy to heat energy.

Is consciousness physical?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Consciousness is the energy that produces awareness, just as electricity is the energy that produces light.

The brain uses energy to run the processes we call consciousness.

The question then is, where is consciousness stored when we are asleep?

Consciousness alters or stops when the processes that constitute it alter or stop. Where does a flame go when you blow it out? An approximate analogy is what happens to an app on your phone or computer when another app occupies the screen; it may change, e.g. run quietly in background, or it may stop altogether.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Consciousness may be produced in the brain, but not necessarily by the brain.

The brain may simply be a physical transmitter through which consciousness transmits itself in the form of awareness.

Consciousness --> Brain --> Awareness

In that order.

That's not consistent with the empirical evidence. Given that sequence, one would expect some feature of consciousness to be independent, i.e. unaffected, by changes to brain function. The evidence shows that every identifiable feature and adjunct of consciousness (level of awareness, personality, focus of attention, opinions, morals, values, sense of location, orientation, self, identity, neuroticism, emotion, and so-on) is affected by changes to brain function, and is consistent with consciousness being a form of information processing by the brain.

The equivalent in the brain-as-receiver analogy to a TV receiving a broadcast would be finding that poking a screwdriver in the back of the TV could not only change the picture from colour to monochrome, but change the plot of the film that's showing, or change the decor in the newsroom studio, or change the newsreader, or change the whole programme schedule.

Unless you know of some identifiable feature of consciousness that is independent of changes in brain function?