Consciousness Came Before Life

[dlamberth]

Did you see this?

MPT Presents | Teilhard: Visionary Scientist

Film about French priest, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, who was exiled for his beliefs.

www.pbs.org

I have not. Thanks for the link.

 

[dlamberth]

Did you see this?

MPT Presents | Teilhard: Visionary Scientist

Film about French priest, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, who was exiled for his beliefs.

www.pbs.org

To lean back to consciousness: One of the things I picked up from both Teilhard and the Q'ero, and others as well, and that has changed my perception of life in a major way is that what's evolving is consciousness.

 

[Ace777]

Entanglement doesn't provide for superluminal communication of information.

Oh, ok, then I guess I am talking about science fiction.

I don't know "block theory".

You can do a google or AI search. For me if we pray for trauma that people have experience, I believe God can go back in time and resolve the issue at the cause where most people can only deal with the memory of those events. They can not get at the root cause. In Revelation 22:2 " And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.". Also Ezekiel 47:12. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for healing."In some cases this can be generational where memory is passed from generation to generation. They use to call this instinct.

There is evidence that the legacy of trauma can be passed down through generations. This phenomenon is linked to epigenetics, where experiences during an individual’s lifetime can modify how their DNA is expressed. Unlike mutations to the genetic code, epigenetic changes involve adding or removing tiny chemical tags on DNA. For example, studies have shown that traumatic experiences in previous generations can affect the DNA in sperm and alter the brains and behavior of subsequent generations1. So, while our genes play a significant role, our life experiences can also leave a lasting impact on our family for generations to come.

We see this in people who have ancestors that suffered the trauma of slavery. They say they can feel it in their blood. Of course people ignore this as being a product of their imagination but it could actually be in their DNA. Exodus 20:5-6 talks about how things can be limited to the third and fourth genearation.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Oh, ok, then I guess I am talking about science fiction.

You can do a google or AI search. For me if we pray for trauma that people have experience, I believe God can go back in time and resolve the issue at the cause where most people can only deal with the memory of those events. They can not get at the root cause. In Revelation 22:2 " And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.". Also Ezekiel 47:12. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for healing."In some cases this can be generational where memory is passed from generation to generation. They use to call this instinct.

This doesn't make me care to find out what "block theory" is. It sounds like some religious stuff.

There is evidence that the legacy of trauma can be passed down through generations. This phenomenon is linked to epigenetics, where experiences during an individual’s lifetime can modify how their DNA is expressed. Unlike mutations to the genetic code, epigenetic changes involve adding or removing tiny chemical tags on DNA. For example, studies have shown that traumatic experiences in previous generations can affect the DNA in sperm and alter the brains and behavior of subsequent generations1. So, while our genes play a significant role, our life experiences can also leave a lasting impact on our family for generations to come.

We see this in people who have ancestors that suffered the trauma of slavery. They say they can feel it in their blood. Of course people ignore this as being a product of their imagination but it could actually be in their DNA. Exodus 20:5-6 talks about how things can be limited to the third and fourth genearation.

Which had nothing to do with anything in the prior posts. You are all over the place.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Cosmic consciousness refers to a higher form of awareness beyond ordinary human consciousness. It was explored by psychiatrist Richard Maurice Bucke in his 1901 book titled Cosmic Consciousness: A Study in the Evolution of the Human Mind1. Here are some key characteristics:

1. Joyfulness: Individuals experiencing cosmic consciousness often feel profound joy and interconnectedness with the universe.
2. Revelation: They have a revelation about the meaning, purpose, and aliveness of the cosmos.
3. Sense of Immortality: Cosmic consciousness brings a sense of immortality, transcending fear of death.
4. Absence of Sin: Unlike conventional religious concepts, there’s no notion of sin.
5. Importance of Light: Bucke emphasized the significance of light in this state of consciousness2.

In essence, cosmic consciousness involves perceiving the universe as alive, spiritual, and interconnected—a profound shift beyond ordinary self-awareness. Historical figures like Buddha, Lao Tzu, Socrates, and Jesus have been associated with this state

Do you actually hold to this truck?

 

[Ace777]

Do you actually hold to this truck?

No one cares what I think because it does not matter to them. So I just did a cut and paste. My definition would be different. Actually the universal language is not even a spoken language. When Eve talked to the snake and Balaam his donkey they are not talking about a verbal speech. All animals speak the same universal language. It is called: "feed me". Sometimes the dialect can be a little different .

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Cosmic consciousness refers to a higher form of awareness beyond ordinary human consciousness. It was explored by psychiatrist Richard Maurice Bucke in his 1901 book titled Cosmic Consciousness: A Study in the Evolution of the Human Mind1. Here are some key characteristics:

1. Joyfulness: Individuals experiencing cosmic consciousness often feel profound joy and interconnectedness with the universe.
2. Revelation: They have a revelation about the meaning, purpose, and aliveness of the cosmos.
3. Sense of Immortality: Cosmic consciousness brings a sense of immortality, transcending fear of death.
4. Absence of Sin: Unlike conventional religious concepts, there’s no notion of sin.
5. Importance of Light: Bucke emphasized the significance of light in this state of consciousness2.

In essence, cosmic consciousness involves perceiving the universe as alive, spiritual, and interconnected—a profound shift beyond ordinary self-awareness. Historical figures like Buddha, Lao Tzu, Socrates, and Jesus have been associated with this state

Psychotropic drugs, oxygen starvation, direct brain stimulation, and brain damage, can produce all those 'key characteristics'. There is nothing to suggest they are anything more than abnormal states of ordinary consciousness, or that 'cosmic consciousness' exists in its own right.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Entanglement tells us that everything is connected in real time. Past and future. Also there is block theory. We know God is past present and future all at the same time.

Not really. Not everything is entangled, 'real time' is ill-defined (or undefined) in relativity, and 'block theory' (I assume you mean the block universe) says that every spacetime is a 4D block where every moment along the time axis, i.e. every moment in time is equally real.

We don't know that 'God is past present and future all at the same time' because firstly, beliefs and speculations about God are not evidence of knowledge about God, and secondly, that statement is temporally incoherent; past, present, and future are, by definition, not 'the same time'.

 

[Astrid]

Psychotropic drugs, oxygen starvation, direct brain stimulation, and brain damage, can produce all those 'key characteristics'. There is nothing to suggest they are anything more than abnormal states of ordinary consciousness, or that 'cosmic consciousness' exists in its own right.

People like to believe their state (physical, or
mental) must be " better" no matter how
abberrant it happens to be.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I agree with the argument put forward by David Chalmers - subjective experiences (such a sensation of seeing red) cannot be explained in terms of our current models of reality.

Perhaps that is because subjective experiences in general and qualia in particular, have no objective existence, only the objective (neurological) activities that are their physical representation.

An analogy might be objects in a video game, which are virtual representations of real-world objects. They have objective physical correlates in the electronic data of the computer memory storage, but a description or explanation of the object the data represents can only be correlative, e.g. these numbers represent that characteristic of the object, changing those numbers in this way will rotate the object, etc.

Our current explanatory models of reality are objective, so can only apply to the subjective via objective, physical correlation, e.g. if I stick a pin in your hand, nerve signals will reach your brain and cause an (objective) pattern of neural activity (in the part of your brain that maps hand sensation) that you experience as a (subjective) pain in your (subjective) hand.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

People like to believe their state (physical, or
mental) must be " better" no matter how
abberrant it happens to be.

Yes, if it feels better.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

This doesn't make me care to find out what "block theory" is. It sounds like some religious stuff.

He may be thinking of the Block Universe, which seems to follow from Special Relativity and is probably what Einstein meant when he said "For those of us who believe in physics, the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

 

[Larniavc]

Entanglement tells us that everything is connected in real time.

What do you think this means? What are the implications?

 

[Larniavc]

Oh, ok, then I guess I am talking about science fiction.

Correct. Information cannot go faster than light. Unless you are talking about devices that exist in speculative science fiction stories.

 

[Larniavc]

There is evidence that the legacy of trauma can be passed down through generations.

This is true. What does it have to do with consciousness?

 

[Hans Blaster]

He may be thinking of the Block Universe, which seems to follow from Special Relativity and is probably what Einstein meant when he said "For those of us who believe in physics, the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

Didn't know there was a name for that and the reference to it had nothing to do with any real aspect of it.

 

[Astrid]

Yes, if it feels better.

And often enough when it doesn't.

 

[Ace777]

This is true. What does it have to do with consciousness?

This gives us a tiny pinhole of understanding on how DNA can effect our consciousness.

 

[Ace777]

Correct. Information cannot go faster than light. Unless you are talking about devices that exist in speculative science fiction stories.

I had a dream where God took me to the center of the universe. It could not have taken more then two or three seconds to get there. I have had dreams of heaven also. It just seems to me a part of us can be anywhere in the universe in an instant. The jody Foster movie she traveled through a worm hole and that takes a bit longer but she took her physical body with her. We know through entangle ment everything is connected but to speculate beyond that is science fiction. But how much difference is there between fiction and theory. Plenty of people on this board believe there is no difference at all.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I had a dream where God took me to the center of the universe. It could not have taken more then two or three seconds to get there. I have had dreams of heaven also. It just seems to me a part of us can be anywhere in the universe in an instant. The jody Foster movie she traveled through a worm hole and that takes a bit longer but she took her physical body with her. We know through entangle ment everything is connected but to speculate beyond that is science fiction. But how much difference is there between fiction and theory. Plenty of people on this board believe there is no difference at all.

Neither your dreams nor fictional stories are evidence or relevant to this topic.

Entanglement has a very specific meaning in quantum physics. It is not the same as some guru saying "everything is connected, man."