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Congress Secretly Using Ivermectin

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If this is true, it would certainly be interesting. Ivermectin for me, but not for thee. Is it not the case that Congress have exempted themselves from the vaccine mandates?

Report: Ivermectin used by 100+ members of Congress and their staff

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I wouldn't be at all surprised if this report is true. Politicians do seem to have a habit of double standards. Here in the UK, the Speaker has just decreed that everyone on the parliamentary estate has to wear face masks, apart from MPs. It's like Animal Farm. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than other animals.
 

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If this is true, it would certainly be interesting. Ivermectin for me, but not for thee. Is it not the case that Congress have exempted themselves from the vaccine mandates?

Report: Ivermectin used by 100+ members of Congress and their staff

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I wouldn't be at all surprised if this report is true. Politicians do seem to have a habit of double standards. Here in the UK, the Speaker has just decreed that everyone on the parliamentary estate has to wear face masks, apart from MPs. It's like Animal Farm. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than other animals.
There's nothing stating he's the doctor to anyone in congress or their staff. So, how would he know?
 
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Pierre Kory is a Conspiracy Theorists, can you come up with something better?

Every doctor who questions the vaccine narrative is labeled a conspiracy theorist. Dr. Kory practiced medicine for 19 years, and only became a "conspiracy theorist" when he didn't accept the narrative regarding Covid treatment.

When consensus is manufactured by taking action against those who dissent, it's not consensus.
 
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If this is true... I note that none are named. Given that, it would not surprise me if most, if not all, are Republicans.
The most likely explanation is that this "unnamed source" is either lying or a fabrication.
 
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Congress Secretly Using Ivermectin

That makes no sense. Why would it be taken secretly? It’s not an addictive, or controlled substance. Are the users embarrassed?

BTW, does anyone still take hydroxychloroquine? Here’s a thought: Members of Congress can participate in their own clinical trial. It would be a 4-armed study:

Group 1 takes HCQ + a placebo
Group 2 takes ivermectin + a placebo
Group 3 takes HCQ and ivermectin
Group 4 takes 2 placebos

Of course, no one knows to which group they’re assigned. And they report how they’re doing every week. They also have nasal swabs done regularly to see if they’re colonized with SARS-CoV-2.

Congress will finally be doing something productive. :oldthumbsup:





 
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What kind of actions were taken against him? Being invited by a Senator to address Congress? This does not sound like a suppression of dissent.

Science is about rational disagreement, the questioning and testing of orthodoxy and the constant search for truth. With something like lockdown – an untested policy that affects millions – rigorous debate and the basics of verification/falsification are more important than ever. Academics backing lockdown (or any major theory) ought to welcome challenges, knowing – as scientists do – that robust challenge is the way to identify error, improve policy and save lives.

But with lockdown, science is in danger of being suppressed by politics. Lockdown moved instantly from untested theory to unchallengeable orthodoxy: where dissenters face personal attack. Understandable on social media perhaps, but it has now crept into the British Medical Journal (BMJ) in a recent article about the Great Barrington Declaration (GBD).

The GBD, which I wrote, together with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya at Stanford and Dr. Sunetra Gupta at Oxford, argues for focused protection. Rather than a blanket lockdown which inflicts so much harm on society, we wanted better protection of those most at risk – mindful that Covid typically poses only a mild risk to the young. For saying so, we are smeared as 'the new merchants of doubt' – as if scepticism and challenge is regarded by the BMJ as something to be condemned.
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During a pandemic, it is the duty of public health scientists to engage with government officials: to use their expertise to confront what right now is perhaps the biggest single problem facing humanity. It is hard to understand why anyone would criticise that.

If we are to be faulted for anything, it is that we failed to convince governments to implement focused protection instead of damaging lockdowns. One place where we had some success was Florida, where the cumulative age-adjusted Covid mortality is lower than the US national average with less collateral damage. If we are wrong, then as scientists we would welcome a scientific discussion on how and where we are wrong.

The BMJ article urges people to use ‘political and legal strategies’ rather than scientific argument to counter our views on the pandemic. It also calls for people to adhere to the ‘scientific consensus’ as represented by a Memorandum published by the Lancet, a document that questions natural immunity after Covid disease, despite a recent Israeli study suggesting it could be stronger than vaccine protection.

What is there to say? Because of political strategies using slander and ad hominem attacks, many physicians and scientists have been reluctant to speak out despite their reservations about pandemic policies. The error-strewn attacks in BMJ demonstrate what awaits academics who do challenge prevailing views.

That such an article was published exemplifies the decay in standards of scientific journals. Open and honest discourse is critical for science and public health. As scientists, we must now tragically acknowledge that 400 years of scientific enlightenment may be coming to an end. It started with Tycho Brahe, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei and René Descartes. It would be tragic if it would end up as one of the many casualties of this pandemic.


Covid, lockdown and the retreat of scientific debate | The Spectator

That's one Harvard epidemiologist addressing the current climate of medical debate and health care responses.

There have also been things like this:

“Physicians who generate and spread COVID-19 vaccine misinformation or disinformation are risking disciplinary action by state medical boards, including the suspension or revocation of their medical license. Due to their specialized knowledge and training, licensed physicians possess a high degree of public trust and therefore have a powerful platform in society, whether they recognize it or not. They also have an ethical and professional responsibility to practice medicine in the best interests of their patients and must share information that is factual, scientifically grounded and consensus-driven for the betterment of public health. Spreading inaccurate COVID-19 vaccine information contradicts that responsibility, threatens to further erode public trust in the medical profession and puts all patients at risk.

FSMB | FSMB: Spreading COVID-19 Vaccine Misinformation May Put Medical License at Risk

While i agree with the premise that misinformation/disinformation should not be spread, ultimately, it has become a subjective definition. When the Federation of State Medical Board is talking about misinformation, it's not talking about such false claims as: "all the vaccines are 100% effective at preventing serious illness and death" which were shouted repeatedly at the beginning of the vaccine rollout.
 
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When the Federation of State Medical Board is talking about misinformation, it's not talking about such false claims as: "all the vaccines are 100% effective at preventing serious illness and death" which were shouted repeatedly at the beginning of the vaccine rollout.

I doubt that. All the early reporting on vaccine candidates was stuff like "early trials show 90%+ effectiveness."

Show us this shouting of 100% effectiveness.
 
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Science is about rational disagreement, the questioning and testing of orthodoxy and the constant search for truth. With something like lockdown – an untested policy that affects millions – rigorous debate and the basics of verification/falsification are more important than ever. Academics backing lockdown (or any major theory) ought to welcome challenges, knowing – as scientists do – that robust challenge is the way to identify error, improve policy and save lives.

But with lockdown, science is in danger of being suppressed by politics. Lockdown moved instantly from untested theory to unchallengeable orthodoxy: where dissenters face personal attack. Understandable on social media perhaps, but it has now crept into the British Medical Journal (BMJ) in a recent article about the Great Barrington Declaration (GBD).

The GBD, which I wrote, together with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya at Stanford and Dr. Sunetra Gupta at Oxford, argues for focused protection. Rather than a blanket lockdown which inflicts so much harm on society, we wanted better protection of those most at risk – mindful that Covid typically poses only a mild risk to the young. For saying so, we are smeared as 'the new merchants of doubt' – as if scepticism and challenge is regarded by the BMJ as something to be condemned.
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During a pandemic, it is the duty of public health scientists to engage with government officials: to use their expertise to confront what right now is perhaps the biggest single problem facing humanity. It is hard to understand why anyone would criticise that.

If we are to be faulted for anything, it is that we failed to convince governments to implement focused protection instead of damaging lockdowns. One place where we had some success was Florida, where the cumulative age-adjusted Covid mortality is lower than the US national average with less collateral damage. If we are wrong, then as scientists we would welcome a scientific discussion on how and where we are wrong.

The BMJ article urges people to use ‘political and legal strategies’ rather than scientific argument to counter our views on the pandemic. It also calls for people to adhere to the ‘scientific consensus’ as represented by a Memorandum published by the Lancet, a document that questions natural immunity after Covid disease, despite a recent Israeli study suggesting it could be stronger than vaccine protection.

What is there to say? Because of political strategies using slander and ad hominem attacks, many physicians and scientists have been reluctant to speak out despite their reservations about pandemic policies. The error-strewn attacks in BMJ demonstrate what awaits academics who do challenge prevailing views.

That such an article was published exemplifies the decay in standards of scientific journals. Open and honest discourse is critical for science and public health. As scientists, we must now tragically acknowledge that 400 years of scientific enlightenment may be coming to an end. It started with Tycho Brahe, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei and René Descartes. It would be tragic if it would end up as one of the many casualties of this pandemic.


Covid, lockdown and the retreat of scientific debate | The Spectator

That's one Harvard epidemiologist addressing the current climate of medical debate and health care responses.

There have also been things like this:

“Physicians who generate and spread COVID-19 vaccine misinformation or disinformation are risking disciplinary action by state medical boards, including the suspension or revocation of their medical license. Due to their specialized knowledge and training, licensed physicians possess a high degree of public trust and therefore have a powerful platform in society, whether they recognize it or not. They also have an ethical and professional responsibility to practice medicine in the best interests of their patients and must share information that is factual, scientifically grounded and consensus-driven for the betterment of public health. Spreading inaccurate COVID-19 vaccine information contradicts that responsibility, threatens to further erode public trust in the medical profession and puts all patients at risk.

FSMB | FSMB: Spreading COVID-19 Vaccine Misinformation May Put Medical License at Risk

While i agree with the premise that misinformation/disinformation should not be spread, ultimately, it has become a subjective definition. When the Federation of State Medical Board is talking about misinformation, it's not talking about such false claims as: "all the vaccines are 100% effective at preventing serious illness and death" which were shouted repeatedly at the beginning of the vaccine rollout.
That's a nice attempt to change the subject, but any chance you're going to respond to the post you quoted and let us know what actions were taken against Dr. Kory?
 
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If this is true... I note that none are named. Given that, it would not surprise me if most, if not all, are Republicans.
Most Republicans congress aren't stupid. I'm sure most have been vaccinated. But they try to play the craziness about COVID-19 conspiracy theories to attract their audience. If they didn't , they might be re-elected. Remember these people get the real stuff like Regeneron's monoclonal antibody, Remdesivir and other med that help with COVID-19.
 
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While i agree with the premise that misinformation/disinformation should not be spread, ultimately, it has become a subjective definition. When the Federation of State Medical Board is talking about misinformation, it's not talking about such false claims as: "all the vaccines are 100% effective at preventing serious illness and death" which were shouted repeatedly at the beginning of the vaccine rollout.

I doubt that. All the early reporting on vaccine candidates was stuff like "early trials show 90%+ effectiveness."

Show us this shouting of 100% effectiveness.

The varying “effectiveness” rates miss the most important point: The vaccines were all 100% effective in the vaccine trials in stopping hospitalizations and death. Waiting for a more effective vaccine is actually the worst thing you can do to lower your risk of getting severely ill and dying of COVID-19.

All COVID vaccines stop severe illness and death. Take what's offered.


The shot was also 100% effective in preventing illness among trial participants in South Africa, where a new variant called B1351 is dominant, although the number of those participants was relatively small at 800.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/01/pfi...protective-against-south-african-variant.html

The AstraZeneca-Oxford Covid-19 vaccine was 79% effective against symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective in preventing severe disease and hospitalizations in its U.S. Phase III trial, the drug maker said in a press release on Monday, highlighting the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine amid suspension of its use in some countries over safety concerns.

AstraZeneca Vaccine 100% Effective In Preventing Severe Disease And Hospitalizations, U.S. Trials Show


There is even more good news about COVID-19 vaccine efficacy. As LiveScience reports, the Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson clinical trials all found that their vaccines were essentially 100 percent effective in preventing severe disease six to seven weeks after trial participants had received a first/single dose. As biotech journalist Anna Nowogrodzki notes, "Zero vaccinated people in any of the trials were hospitalized or died of COVID-19 after the vaccines had fully taken effect." Now that's the kind of vaccine efficacy that we can all cheer.

Vaccines Are 100% Effective at Preventing COVID-19 Hospitalizations and Deaths

That's just a smattering of media outlets who trumpeted the 100% effective against hospitalization or death. It's not like it was repeated on these forums...

Posts showing forum members repeating the 100% effective claim have been removed per staff request.
 
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When the Federation of State Medical Board is talking about misinformation, it's not talking about such false claims as: "all the vaccines are 100% effective at preventing serious illness and death" which were shouted repeatedly at the beginning of the vaccine rollout.

There were no such claims made.
 
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