Confession ...

[~Anastasia~]

Wow, this thread blew up! I'm reading on p. 21 right now.

Heard an interesting little teaching once: If someone says to you, "Brother, I want to tell you something 'in love,'" you can be pretty sure whatever comes next is not going to sound anything like love.

Good point ... that's what I would expect.

I know some that only call you "brother" or "sister" when they want to chastise you or something similar is coming. I don't really like that and I tend to do the opposite. I hope no one ever takes my "brother" or "sister" in that way.

 

[~Anastasia~]

I was reading your link. Doesn't do much on explaining.

Do we really want to go into Orthodox Church government in this thread?

Why not make a clean one? Perhaps Kylissa will grace us with one.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Well, I admit to being mildly interested, but it's not a big thing to me. I would be interested to know. I suspect it's more important than I realize.

I can create one, but I have nothing to contribute aside from possible questions. I guess that hasn't stopped me in the past though.

 

[stan1953]

I was reading your link. Doesn't do much on explaining.

Do we really want to go into Orthodox Church government in this thread?

Why not make a clean one? Perhaps Kylissa will grace us with one.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

That's up to you, as you were trying to qualify it somehow. I understand the two basics and was just trying to give her a perspective on church polity.
Quite frankly I am not that concerned about any particular denoms governmental or constitutional procedures.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

That's up to you, as you were trying to qualify it somehow. I understand the two basics and was just trying to give her a perspective on church polity.
Quite frankly I am not that concerned about any particular denoms governmental or constitutional procedures.

Well we should be... Top down is wrong.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[stan1953]

Wow, this thread blew up! I'm reading on p. 21 right now.

Heard an interesting little teaching once: If someone says to you, "Brother, I want to tell you something 'in love,'" you can be pretty sure whatever comes next is not going to sound anything like love.

YEP! It blowed up REAL good.

 

[stan1953]

Well we should be... Top down is wrong.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Sorry, don't know what that is supposed to mean.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Sorry, don't know what that is supposed to mean.

Papacy would be top down.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[stan1953]

Well, I admit to being mildly interested, but it's not a big thing to me. I would be interested to know. I suspect it's more important than I realize.

I can create one, but I have nothing to contribute aside from possible questions. I guess that hasn't stopped me in the past though.

Well as the OP, you can just go along with the change here instead of just creating a new one that we would have to actually look for.

 

[stan1953]

Papacy would be top down.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Obviously you are a man of few words, and that is not always a good thing.
Maybe you can actually explain yourself instead of having it dragged out of you?

ALL denoms work from one man down, and don't fool yourself that ALL priests agree with the Pope. Their are many Canadian, American and Australian priests that don't. The Primate of the Eastern Orthodox is pretty much the counterpart of the Pope, so what is your point?

 

[concretecamper]

Their are many Canadian, American and Australian priests that don't

Yes, the religious can be heretics and apostates too... that sad state is not limited to the laity.

 

[Thekla]

Obviously you are a man of few words, and that is not always a good thing.
Maybe you can actually explain yourself instead of having it dragged out of you?

ALL denoms work from one man down, and don't fool yourself that ALL priests agree with the Pope. Their are many Canadian, American and Australian priests that don't. The Primate of the Eastern Orthodox is pretty much the counterpart of the Pope, so what is your point?

In fact, the Ecumenical Patriarch (a bishop) is not the equivalent of the RC Pope.

And every bishop is in fact a servant, as Christ demonstrated.

 

[stan1953]

Yes, the religious can be heretics and apostates too... that sad state is not limited to the laity.

Disagreement is NOT equivalent to heresy or apostasy, and NOT the issue at hand.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Obviously you are a man of few words, and that is not always a good thing.
Maybe you can actually explain yourself instead of having it dragged out of you?

ALL denoms work from one man down, and don't fool yourself that ALL priests agree with the Pope. Their are many Canadian, American and Australian priests that don't. The Primate of the Eastern Orthodox is pretty much the counterpart of the Pope, so what is your point?

Well... I've taken a headache. I catch up later. Good night all.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[concretecamper]

Disagreement is NOT equivalent to heresy or apostasy, and NOT the issue at hand.

You brought it up....

 

[katherine2001]

Obviously you are a man of few words, and that is not always a good thing.
Maybe you can actually explain yourself instead of having it dragged out of you?

ALL denoms work from one man down, and don't fool yourself that ALL priests agree with the Pope. Their are many Canadian, American and Australian priests that don't. The Primate of the Eastern Orthodox is pretty much the counterpart of the Pope, so what is your point?

Theka is correct. The Ecumenical Patriarch is not the primate of the Orthodox Church. In fact, the EP has no more power than any other patriarch. In fact, the canons state that the patriarch of one see is not able to interfere in other sees. The EP has the power to mediate disputes between sees but only if the patriarchs of the sees bring the dispute to him for mediation. Otherwise, he has no more authority than any other patriarch.

 

[stan1953]

In fact, the Ecumenical Patriarch (a bishop) is not the equivalent of the RC Pope.
And every bishop is in fact a servant, as Christ demonstrated.

The RC Pope (Francis) is the Bishop of Rome as the EO Ecumenical Patriarch (John X) is the Bishop of Antioch.

I'm not wanting to get into denominational biases here.

Here are a couple of links that may provide info for those interested.

List of current patriarchs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Autocephalous Orthodox Churches centered at Constantinople

 

[Thekla]

The RC Pope (Francis) is the Bishop of Rome as the EO Ecumenical Patriarch (John X) is the Bishop of Antioch.

I'm not wanting to get into denominational biases here.

Here are a couple of links that may provide info for those interested.

List of current patriarchs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Autocephalous Orthodox Churches centered at Constantinople

The EO Ecumenical Patriarch is Bartholomew; he serves the see centered in Constantinople - now Istanbul, Turkey.

The position of Ecumenical Patriarch is not the same expression/office as the RC Pope.

 

[stan1953]

You brought it up....

and you took it off topic.

 

[stan1953]

The EO Ecumenical Patriarch is Bartholomew; he serves the see centered in Constantinople - now Istanbul, Turkey.
The position of Ecumenical Patriarch is not the same expression/office as the RC Pope.

Right, sorry missed a line in all the Patriarchs. To me He is the same as a Pope. What's the difference? Is it ONLY an Ecumenical Title with NO power like the Pope has?

 

[stan1953]

Theka is correct. The Ecumenical Patriarch is not the primate of the Orthodox Church. In fact, the EP has no more power than any other patriarch. In fact, the canons state that the patriarch of one see is not able to interfere in other sees. The EP has the power to mediate disputes between sees but only if the patriarchs of the sees bring the dispute to him for mediation. Otherwise, he has no more authority than any other patriarch.

Thanks that's a little more than Thekla was giving me. Now the Ultimate authority in the EO is the Ecumenical Patriarch but He only has authority IF asked? Sounds like the Cardinals of the RCC except the Pope doesn't need to be asked.