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Are you really trying to equate a factory worker with a slave?
Factory workers are worse off than slaves.
The slaves were freed at a high cost but the factory worker still grinds away for a pittance
Not really. Factory workers are allowed to keep their children, barring divorce or neglect.
I met an elderly lady who worked in jute mills and had lost her young child in an industrial accident there, the children being sent to work in these factories from a young age. The child had fallen asleep on a very long shift and been mangled in the machine. Another person I met lost a finger in the mills.
I think child labour in factories has now been outlawed. Both slavery and unrestrained capitalism IMO are bad.
Oh wait, how old was the kid?
Since this is a History forum, we should endeavor to be accurate. There is no right given to the states to leave the Union by the Constitution.
To me the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism and white separatism, just as I see the Nazi swastika as a symbol of anti-Semitism.There's a lot I hear about this being a flag of hate and racism, but it sounds like nowadays, people almost look for stuff to be "offended" over, so I did some reading.
I just wanna know your guys' opinion on it. Racist flag, or just Southern pride?
I'm leaning more towards Southern pride. Personally, I don't think it symbolizes racism in any way.
Note: I'm not from or never have been to the South.
Slavery indeed had much to do Southern rebellion, even though most Southerners didn't own slaves. Secession was driven largely by the wealthy planter class who believed slave labor was essential for their economic livelihood and rejected federal interference. But more fundamental than slavery was the idea of White supremacy. Which was widespread in the 19th century. Alexander Stephens, who was Jeff Davis's VP, was blunt about it. This is from the "Cornerstone" speech he gave in 1861 (in my hometown, btw):
"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."
I'm sure a lot of Northerners felt much the same, but they didn't try to build a new nation on it. After the war, the Confederate flag (actually the Naval Jack) was adopted by the KKK, and has continued to be associated with White supremacy groups. That's why it's so reviled. It symbolizes a social order where one race is held to be superior and privileged above others. This has damaged the flag as irreparably as the swastika has been damaged. It's futile and totally unrealistic to think it can be salvaged.
There is a big difference! Nobody cares about commiting treason against the Brittish, but we do care about committing treason against the USA.There was no written right for the 13 colonies to leave the British Empire, was there?
Slavery is one of the most abhorrent institutions invented. However, saying: "Seceeding from the Union was treason, but seceeding from the BE wasn't" is just plain nonsensical and arbitrary. The 13 colonies felt they could no longer stay in the Empire, and the CSA felt it could no longer stay in the Union.
No difference, whatsoever.