Condoning sin vs. forgiving sin

[ebia]

You can sit and say all that you want that its an empty claim, and there is little evidence, and all that jazz. It really doesnt bother me. Thats what you need to make it thru the day, so be it. The mormons and the JW's need their own interpretation aswell for the same reason. When you die, and He slaps you down for thinking Him a weakling, I hope you have some good tanning lotion, you will need it.

You are attacking a straw-man (I don't think God is weak - quite the contrary) - rather than support your assertions.

 

[Proeliator]

You are attacking a straw-man (I don't think God is weak - quite the contrary) - rather than support your assertions.

2nd Timothy 3:16 · All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
2nd Timothy 3:17 · so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Last I checked, all means all. For you to say that some of it is antiquated, no longer socially in context, or any of the other excuse you like to give for homosexuals; all because you say the Bible isn't infallible, is for you to say that God is that 90 lb weakling at the beach. So you can sit here and try to make all the assertions you want about it, but in the long run, your the 1 that will pay not me. I know I wouldn't want to have to stand before God and try to explain that the scripture given to us wasn't good enough for me to be warned.

 

[ebia]

I agree 100% with the 2 Tim 3:16. I even agree that the comment is true of the whole bible, even though the author of 2 Tim probably only had the Old Testament in mind.

Last I checked, all means all.

But inspired does not mean inerrant or infallible, however much you might wish it did.

For you to say that some of it is antiquated, no longer socially in context, or any of the other excuse you like to give for homosexuals; all because you say the Bible isn't infallible, is for you to say that God is that 90 lb weakling at the beach.

Sorry, but that simply does not follow.

"God has not chosen to do what Shadrach wants him to have done" is not equivalent to "God could not do ...", let alone to "God is weak".

 

[Proeliator]

I agree 100% with the 2 Tim 3:16. I even agree that the comment is true of the whole bible, even though the author of 2 Tim probably only had the Old Testament in mind.


But inspired does not mean inerrant or infallible, however much you might wish it did.


Sorry, but that simply does not follow.

"God has not chosen to do what Shadrach wants him to have done" is not equivalent to "God could not do ...", let alone to "God is weak".

See, this is where some simple, good, ol Protestant style studying would do you some good. If you have ever looked at what is written originally, you would see what the greek says, and be able to understand what is meant by "inspired". Theopneustos is the greek word that is used, and broken down it is:[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT] ”theo” = God; “pneustos” = breathed. If that "doesn't follow" for you, I don't know what to do as I refuse to do your studying for you.

And I'm glad God doesn't do what I'd want Him to. I'd most likely have made a huge mess of the universe by now if He did If you believe that scripture was given to us by God, then it shouldn't he hard for you to understand what I'm saying. If you don't, then....

 

[ebia]

See, this is where some simple, good, ol Protestant style studying would do you some good. If you have ever looked at what is written originally, you would see what the greek says, and be able to understand what is meant by "inspired". Theopneustos is the greek word that is used, and broken down it is: ”theo” = God; “pneustos” = breathed. If that "doesn't follow" for you, I don't know what to do as I refuse to do your studying for you.

I'm quite aware of what the Greek says, thankyou. It doesn't change my point in the slightest. You understand "God breathed" to mean effectively "dictated by God", I understand it to mean something much more subtle than that.

If you believe that scripture was given to us by God, then it shouldn't he hard for you to understand what I'm saying. If you don't, then....

I do believe scripture is given by God and I understand what you are saying, but I don't agree with it..

 

[Proeliator]

I'm quite aware of what the Greek says, thankyou. It doesn't change my point in the slightest. You understand "God breathed" to mean effectively "dictated by God", I understand it to mean something much more subtle than that.


I do believe scripture is given by God and I understand what you are saying, but I don't agree with it..

See, this is where peopel run into the most trouble and we get all this about condoning gays. What you "understand" means nothing apart from what was written. You try to read different meaning into what is very straight forward. Though I shouldnt be surprised, we are warned about false teachings all thru scripture.

 

[127Rockledge]

And yet how are we to know that your opinion is not a false teaching?

 

[ebia]

See, this is where peopel run into the most trouble and we get all this about condoning gays. What you "understand" means nothing apart from what was written.

My understanding is my attempt to make meaning from the text - without which it is squiggles on a page. It is no more divorced from the text than anybody else's understanding.

You try to read different meaning into what is very straight forward.

On the contrary in this particular case - I'm actually closer to what the text says, leaving "God breathed" as the mysterious term that it is instead of pretending on the basis of no evidence that it means "God dictated". Yours is the one that brings extra assumptions to the text, you just don't realise it because you've been fed that particular meaning for so long that you can't separate the text itself from what you've been told it means.

Though I shouldnt be surprised, we are warned about false teachings all thru scripture.

But who's is the false teaching?