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Yes, Communion is a means of grace. Meaning it's a place where we connect to God, grow in our own faith; and even a place in which we can experience our own salvation. Communion is not necessary for salvation (some denominations do believe that; or have historically. Historically, the RCC has believed that a person CANNOT enter heaven without having been baptized, received communion within the last year, and having attended reconciliation within the past year. United Methodist don't believe that)

The notion of the sacrament actually doesn't have it's roots in early Greek Christianity or the first few centuries of the church. It was actually a Jew; a Hebrew scholar. Back in those days Hebrew rabbi's had students with them that were sort of like a professor and their grad students today. This particular hebrew leader was known for taking ordinary expressions of faith and giving them further and deeper meaning. This upset some of the religious authorities at the time and the anti-semetic Roman government was more than happy to oblige. This Rabbi saw the writing on the wall and invited his closest students with him for the Passover meal; an annual Jewish Holiday. As was his tradition; he took an ordinary expression of faith and gave it so much more meeting. He took the bread and wine and told his students that beyond this just being an expression of their faith; they were actually a physical way to share in God's ultimate sacrifice; the messiah. And that when they would receive those elements, they would actually be sharing in the Messiah's outpouring of Grace. He would later be executed for his heresies. And frankly, he was a bit of a nutcase. He had very little respect for the religious authorities; often calling them out. Very inappropriately, in fact. Rather than being a professional and writing a paper or addressing these individuals privately, as the Torah commanded; he would frequently humiliate other religious leaders publically. And then would gather crowds of people to shame them. He once told a gathering of faithful Jews that all of their religious leaders were basically snakes, and were never going to see the Kingdom of God. And then he would hang out with all of the non-religious people, and people who didn't love God. Sometimes would rebuke them; but sometimes not! A Jewish leader who sometimes didn't condemn people for believing differently, simply encouraged them to evaluate their own faith with God and left it at that? Sheesh. His execution was more a foregone conclusion; and not really a surprise. (But it was to his students for some reason).

Fast forward a few years later and we have writings from one of his "second-generation" students. A few of his original students were still alive and living in religious-epicenter communities like Jerusalem and Ephesus, and this particular individual, after an epiphany, began to study under those original students and sort of became the second-generation of this particular Rabbi's teachings. He observed that those traditions the Rabbi had started were still being held by the faithful. But there were some inconsistencies so after studying with those "first generation" students, he wrote those places of worship and offered them some crticism and reflection over the way they observed those practices of that Rabbi. Namely about how they had become nothing more than mundane 'remembrances' and 'ordinances' and weren't being treated as the reverent representations of God. These people were part of a hybrid-Jewish offshoot called "The Way" that had some frankly cooky ideas, compared to the early religious leaders. Frankly they didn't even know what they believed. They even differed on how God intended them to follow this historic Rabbi.

After establishing, once and for all; these traditions of the laying on of hands; a modified new version of Baptism (as a one time thing rather than an all-the-time thing); eating bread and drinking wine as a sharing of God's grace, etc., as having varying levels of authority and being means of God's grace, this student then went on evangelizing these new pseudo-Jewish teachings to the world. Eventually upsetting Rome.

Eventually, if you know your History, the epicenter of Christianity moved from the Middle-East to a bit more west to areas where Latin was more prominent, rather than greek. This is also where early Christians began to try to put names to their traditions, and someone figured out how to 'name' this cooky rag-tag bunches method of getting wet and eating bread and drinking wine; all as means of sharing in God's grace. They decided on "Sacramentum". Which was a word that already had a meaning. You see these early Christians loved taking other peoples traditions and making them their own (later they'd take evergreen trees and wreaths intended to please the Sun God and turned them into representations of Christ's birth in anticipating of his triumphant return). A "Sacramentum" is what a Roman Soldier gave to his superior officer. It was a total oath. Everything he owned, everything he did, where he ate, where he slept, and even whether he lived was now under the authority of this Roman Officer. His "Sacrmantum" was an oath, that in many ways literally meant "I give my life, my all, my everything to you". So early Christians said; well, if there's anything in our modern context that helps us understand what happens at Baptism and Communion, it's this. Baptism and Communion are our "Sacramentum" to God. Our total and complete, irrevocable oath. It was real and tangible, the Holy Spirit was at work, and God's presence was a part of it. It was the biggest thing they did; so they gave it the biggest word (in terms of the words 'authority') they could think of.

Fast forward a few hundred years, and "Sacramentum" becomes "Sacrament" in English, and the Christian church maintains it. Then hit about the 1700's and 1800's, and we have the "Puritans" who say "Sacraments are too catholic-y, let's get rid of them". And the Puritan movement eventually grew into the Baptist movement; and later adopted ideas like Biblical literalism, and other theologies.

(P.S., the Rabbi was Jesus, and the student was Paul. The sacraments were established by Jesus Christ himself, as a part of establishing the church.)

The love feasts were pot-luck dinners. Methodists do those too. LOTS of those :)
 
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Skypair,

Indeed United Methodists do believe that we can receive the grace of God in communion and that communion is just one of the many ways that God offers his means of grace to us.

Also for us communion is more celebration (eucharisto) than it is remembrance. Remembrance is just one facet of communion. We aren't like the Disciples at the upper room who don't know yet of Christ's resurrection. We know that Christ has died, Christ is risen, and that Christ is coming again. We believe the Holy Spirit works in communion to fill and strengthen his people.

Notice the invocation of the Holy Spirit (epiclesis) in the UMC communion liturgy. "Pour out your Holy Spirit on these your people and on these gifts of bread and wine. Make them be for us the body and blood of Christ that we may be for the world the body of Christ redeemed by your blood...."

United Methodists don't confuse communion with a love feast. that is a separate thing.

Having grown up Baptist, my own personal experience is that Baptists try to limit God's power and grace to only work in confessing one's faith. In Baptist theology God is limited in his work to what the believer can understand. Thus you have to understand baptism to be baptized. You have to understand communion to commune.

United Methodists don't see that as Biblical. None of us fully understand God or God's love for us nor do we need to do so to receive God's love. Children and infants often receive gifts from their parents that they don't understand. God as our loving parent understands far more than we do and offers us his grace, a grace beyond our full understanding.

The Apostle Paul calls this a Holy Mystery.
 
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To echo Circuitrider; before they were "Sacraments" they were "Mysteries". The traditions are as old as Christianity; they (Baptism and Communion) were established by Christ himself. The use of the word "Sacramentum" did come later; but it didn't change the traditions nor their understanding in the early church. Words change, a lot. Heck, "Jesus" is a re-translation of a re-transliteration of a re-transliteration. The name "Jesus" is not the "name" spoken by the Angel to Mary. It's just what the name spoken to Mary is when you transliterate it from Hebrew to Greek, then Greek to Latin, then finally from Latin to English. "Joshua" is probably the best English transliteration of Jesus' name. Which was Yehushua (no 'J' sound) which was transliterated into a greek "Iesous" and then "Iesus" transliterated into Latin which became "Jesus" as the English language developed. "Jesus" after all, is sort of a silly name for a Hebrew man born into a culture that didn't have a "Jay" sound!
 
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Indeed United Methodists do believe that we can receive the grace of God in communion and that communion is just one of the many ways that God offers his means of grace to us.
Do you mind my asking what other means there are?

Also for us communion is more celebration (eucharisto) than it is remembrance. Remembrance is just one facet of communion. We aren't like the Disciples at the upper room who don't know yet of Christ's resurrection. We know that Christ has died, Christ is risen, and that Christ is coming again. We believe the Holy Spirit works in communion to fill and strengthen his people.
I have received communion in the Methodist church many times. Why would it be that I didn't feel any "grace?" Perhaps I don't know that you mean by that.
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Notice the invocation of the Holy Spirit (epiclesis) in the UMC communion liturgy. "Pour out your Holy Spirit on these your people and on these gifts of bread and wine. Make them be for us the body and blood of Christ that we may be for the world the body of Christ redeemed by your blood…."
What is the Holy Spirit that He is poured out in communion? Are we not already the body of Christ? I'm not trying to be obnoxious .. just to understand what the doctrine says as applies to us in communion.

United Methodists don't confuse communion with a love feast. that is a separate thing.
Well, like Passover, the love feast celebrating the release from Egypt that was "open" to all Jews, are you assuming that everyone in the Christian church is released from sin? I mean, wouldn't they be the only ones who could celebrate?

Having grown up Baptist, my own personal experience is that Baptists try to limit God's power and grace to only work in confessing one's faith. In Baptist theology God is limited in his work to what the believer can understand. Thus you have to understand baptism to be baptized. You have to understand communion to commune.
Yes, that is pretty much the Baptist version — well, except recently when many have gone to open communion. But are you saying that those taking communion and baptism in the Methodist church don't have to understand what they mean? Wouldn't that be like those who Paul said might take communion "unworthily?"

United Methodists don't see that as Biblical. None of us fully understand God or God's love for us nor do we need to do so to receive God's love.
Absolutely TRUE! God "so loved [all] the world" .. none of us "have the mind of the Lord," 1Cor 2:16. But it seems that your view is based more on tradition (Catholic, BTW), experience, and reason than scripture.

Children and infants often receive gifts from their parents that they don't understand. God as our loving parent understands far more than we do and offers us his grace, a grace beyond our full understanding.
Again, grace is unmerited favor .. but how can we receive it? How can we experience it? What do you understand grace to mean?

The Apostle Paul calls this a Holy Mystery.
Where? Are you saying the mystery of communion?

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To echo Circuitrider; before they were "Sacraments" they were "Mysteries".
OK, where is communion called a mystery? I am not familiar with that.

The traditions are as old as Christianity; they (Baptism and Communion) were established by Christ himself.[/quote]
Yes, but tradition has taken on new meanings in the church. You give a perfect example of a "remembrance" taking on the meaning of a "celebration." As far as the Bible was concerned, it was to reaffirm one's relationship (remembrance) with Christ. Many churches look at it as a means of transferring some manner of indefinite form of "grace." Even experientially, what do YOU get out of it? Do you feel as if you have made a "sacrifice" to God that gets you into His favor?

"Joshua" is probably the best English transliteration of Jesus' name. Which was Yehushua (no 'J' sound) which was transliterated into a greek "Iesous" and then "Iesus" transliterated into Latin which became "Jesus" as the English language developed. "Jesus" after all, is sort of a silly name for a Hebrew man born into a culture that didn't have a "Jay" sound!
Ha-ha! I didn't know that! :) Still, it meant "he will deliver His people," right?

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OK, where is communion called a mystery? I am not familiar with that.

The traditions are as old as Christianity; they (Baptism and Communion) were established by Christ himself.
Yes, but tradition has taken on new meanings in the church. You give a perfect example of a "remembrance" taking on the meaning of a "celebration." As far as the Bible was concerned, it was to reaffirm one's relationship (remembrance) with Christ. Many churches look at it as a means of transferring some manner of indefinite form of "grace." Even experientially, what do YOU get out of it? Do you feel as if you have made a "sacrifice" to God that gets you into His favor?

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Skypair, maybe you need to read the official doctrinal statement of the UMC "This Holy Mystery" which explains the Methodist theology of communion. You can find a link to it here This Holy Mystery - The United Methodist Church

There are a lot of elements to Holy Communion other than Remembrance. That is just part of what it means to commune. It is an important part, but just a part.

Communion isn't just a memorial but also a declaration of what Jesus is doing and will do.

Here is what "This Holy Mystery" says about communion as Thanksgiving/Celebration

Holy Communion is Eucharist, an act of thanksgiving. The early Christians "broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people" (Acts 2:46-47a, NIV). As we commune, we express joyful thanks for God's mighty acts throughout history-for creation, covenant, redemption, sanctification. The Great Thanksgiving ("A Service of Word and Table I," UMH; pages 9-10) is a recitation of this salvation history, culminating in the work of Jesus Christ and the ongoing work of the Holy Spirit. It conveys our gratitude for the goodness of God and God's unconditional love for us.
 
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I have received communion in the Methodist church many times. Why would it be that I didn't feel any "grace?" Perhaps I don't know that you mean by that.


Grace is God's reconciling love touching our lives.

It's nice when we feel it, but our level of sensitivity is not the way we measure whether or not God's love is present. We United Methodists (along with most other Christians, though maybe not Baptists) believe that Christ is himself present in the celebration of the meal he instituted. (And, no, I don't mean some magical sort of transubstantiation concept in which the elements are somehow physically changed, but I do mean that he is really present.) So, how could it not be a grace-filled moment?


Perhaps an analogy is a better way to answer your question. I have 8 children. There is not a time in my life when I haven't loved them. But, my guess is that haven't always been aware of that reality. Now, does that mean that my love wasn't real, or wasn't strong enough? Does it have anything to do with the nature and reality of my love at all? Or does that tell us something about what was going on in their lives at the time. Being a son who understands that my parents also always loved me, but recalling that I didn't always "feel" it, I suspect that it is more likely that the lack of feeling is more connected with our ability to feel than God's ability to love or to express grace toward us.
 
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GraceSeeker, you make a good point about feelings. Skypair as why he may not have felt anything in communion.

The problems with feelings is that they often lie to us. It is one of the dangers of making how we feel spirituality the touch stone of our faith.

When I was a Baptist I heard people say things like, "I gave my heart to Jesus because I felt like it was the right time to be saved." Yet the Bible says "now is the time of salvation." The Bible talks about God always wanting us to follow him. So waiting until we feel like it can be misleading.

The same can apply to baptism and communion as well. We don't get baptized because we feel like it or take communion because we feel like it. We do both because they are means by which God is present with us and blesses us and we need it.

Now, that isn't to say that I don't feel anything when I take communion. Most of the time I feel a sense of blessing and God's presence when I'm at the table wether I'm presiding at the table or receiving from others.
 
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Absolutely, we all experience God in a myriad of ways. When we take that too far, two very dangerous things happen.

1) People equate warm/fuzzy feelings to God. So they develop this notion of "I don't get anything out of church" when the music they play or message they preach doesn't make them warm and fuzzy. Thus the consumer church is born. Instead, people should be asking (mature Christians at least; I'll give the folks who are new to the faith a 'pass') "How can I serve God in worship". Church isn't about YOU; it's about the one who created YOU!

2) Other people, who never get the warm/fuzzy feelings, begin to feel like God rejected them. The Hymn, "Here I Am, Lord" has special significance to me. Because I've always felt the words of that Hymn help remind me of my own calling to be a Pastor in the United Methodist Church. I feel close to God when I sing that Hymn. It doesn't mean that Hymn is sacred, or any bit more important. It just means, for me, that it invokes certain feelings. A colleague once recalled the story of his Grandmother; who could for hours sit and look at a Stained Glass Window which had a depiction of Jesus that helped her feel close to God. But then take someone who doesn't have something that 'clicks' like that for them. At the "hip church" they see everyone with their hands raised and their eyes closed as they sing "10,000 Reasons" while barefooted musicians play like their life depends on it. But they don't feel like raising their hands or closing their eyes. At the "traditional church" they see rows of people recalling the liturgies and hymns of their childhood and speaking about feeling close to God and maybe even talking about what that hymn means to them. But they don't have those same sort of connections (The oldest liturgies and hymns are still brand new to those who haven't experienced church!). So they begin to think God isn't at work in their life.

That's why it's so important we don't weight God by how much we feel all warm and fuzzy. God works differently in everyone. When worship becomes about giving back to and serving God; communion becomes about connecting to and being in the presence of God; social holiness becomes about living for God; then we're going to be experiencing God in profound ways that might not manifest itself in warm-fuzzy feelings. And I've had those feelings, I have them all the time. Most recently, when I was serving communion, and the pianist behind me began to play "Silent Night", as it is advent ('technically' Christmas hymns during advent is not liturgically correct, but sometimes we bend the rules :) And my pianist pretty much does his own thing with regards to things like communion). The feeling of hearing 'Silent Night' and having images of the Baby Jesus, innocent and blameless (much like the Adult Jesus, but maybe it's easier to swallow the blamelessness of Jesus as an adult; but the image of the Baby makes it especially tough), while simultaneously ripping off pieces of bread, handing them to people and saying "The Body of Christ, broken for you" nearly brought me to tears (and no, I'm not one of those super-emotional preachers who tears up with every sermon). But not everyone in the congregation may have had the same reaction. But even the moments in worship where I didn't feel all warm and fuzzy, are moments God is present. They are moments we're learning, moments we're doing, even moments we're struggling.

So don't measure God by how fluffy and on-a-cloud he makes you feel! Measure instead ourselves and the way we work for God. Understanding Communion, like worship, not to be something that's about US; but it about God, and surrendering to God (A Sacramentum)
 
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Here is what "This Holy Mystery" says about communion as Thanksgiving/Celebration
That sounds like the love feast to me .. like 1Cor 11:21-22, 34. And truly, OT feasts were for celebration and thanks to God.

But it seems that communion proper, biblically, isn't for anything other than remembrance according to Jesus and Paul. And it also appears that some can take unworthy of the elements of communion, right? Should we let them be deceived that they will receive any grace from God in taking communion? Weren't those in Corinth who were merely hungry .. were they not taking the meal unworthily?

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Skypair, have you looked at the link I posted with the official UMC doctrine on Communion? It would answer a lot of questions you are asking.

You misunderstand the meaning of eating in an unworthy manner. If you read 1 Cor. you'll find that wealthy church members were showing up early and eating before the poor working class people arrived so that a distinction was being made in communion between those who have and those who don't.

Taking communion unworthily had nothing to do with if they were a professing believer or not. That was not an issue that Paul was bringing up.
 
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Taking communion unworthily had nothing to do with if they were a professing believer or not. That was not an issue that Paul was bringing up.
I see both things, actually. I'm not sure how eating one's own food and making a distinction could be eating damnation is one was already saved. But I guess your pov is that you can lose your salvation over this(?)

I'll look at that link.

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I see both things, actually. I'm not sure how eating one's own food and making a distinction could be eating damnation is one was already saved. But I guess your pov is that you can lose your salvation over this(?)

I'll look at that link.

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Losing ones salvation isn't something you can do accidentally. There is no one sin that God says "Gee, okay, take him off the list". Losing ones salvation is an intentional rejection, apostasy. It's choosing to reject God. So no, you won't "Lose your salvation" over that; though I don't think that was circuitriders point anyway.

The whole emphasis of "taking unworthily" from Paul was simply this; have some respect for what's going on. For a person who is struggling with their faith, coming to the table with an open heart and a desire to become closer to God; even a little bit, is EXACTLY who Christ wants at that table. The idea that we have to be 'good enough' for communion is the sort of Phariseeic thinking that is the antithesis, the polar opposite, completely and utterly incompatible with Jesus Christ. Not to be mean, but frankly, if a person must be 'good enough' for communion; then they are not communing with Christ. That's not Jesus. Jesus sought out the lost and broken; when he met with the tax collector he didn't say "Now clean up your act and when you're ready come visit me in a church", he said "I'm coming to your house today". And radical change ensued.

"Taking unworthily" is really, more the religious folk. The people who treat it like a mundane tradition and don't examine themselves and look to meet God at the table. They just shuffle up, eat, and move on.

And finally; no, it's not my responsibility to weed those people out and reject them. What did Paul do? Did Paul grab someone by the collar and say "You're taking in an unworthy manner" and kick them out? No! He told them to examine themselves, reminded them of the importance of the meal, and continued. Which is something we do during the liturgy of communion in the UMC; part of the Communion liturgy is "Christ invites to his table all who love him, who earnestly repent of their sin and seek to live in peace with one another". There's quite obviously a qualifier for who is invited; but ultimately, CHRIST is the inviter. Not the clergy, the UMC, or the local church. But Jesus Christ himself. And I am not God; so I do not have the authority to tell someone Christ has invited that they are in fact unwelcome. And I certainly haven't decided that my denomination is God; and so only those who are a member of my church or denomination can receive.
 
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Yes, RomansFiveEight, there is a fundamental problem with the phrase "losing your salvation." No one "loses" their salvation. They either accept the gift of God or they reject it. And they don't lose their free will to do that at any time during life.

The basic error with "Once saved always saved" is two fold. First it assumes that salvation is a one time event that happened in the past where the Bible used the Greek word for saved which is an act with continuing effect (not aorist tense in which an event happens and ends at a point). The Bible says we are being saved, not that we got saved and it is over.

The second is that if you believe in once saved always saved you effectively believe that people lose their free will after their saving experience with Christ.

The result is a belief that you could walk the aisle "get saved" and then live like the Devil for the rest of your life and still go to heaven. It sounds good on Calvinist paper. But it makes God out to be a fool who is contractually bound to save you even if you aren't living for him in any way because you walked the aisle during "Just as I Am...."
 
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Yes, RomansFiveEight, there is a fundamental problem with the phrase "losing your salvation." No one "loses" their salvation. They either accept the gift of God or they reject it. And they don't lose their free will to do that at any time during life.

The basic error with "Once saved always saved" is two fold. First it assumes that salvation is a one time event that happened in the past where the Bible used the Greek word for saved which is an act with continuing effect (not aorist tense in which an event happens and ends at a point). The Bible says we are being saved, not that we got saved and it is over.

The second is that if you believe in once saved always saved you effectively believe that people lose their free will after their saving experience with Christ.

The result is a belief that you could walk the aisle "get saved" and then live like the Devil for the rest of your life and still go to heaven. It sounds good on Calvinist paper. But it makes God out to be a fool who is contractually bound to save you even if you aren't living for him in any way because you walked the aisle during "Just as I Am...."

It's "10,000 Reasons" now :)

And I agree, certainly. I never liked theology that ties God's hands. And salvation as a single event just doesn't make sense. Whenever some well-meaning street preacher walks up to me and barks "ARE YOU SAVED!?" (A common occurrence out here) I usually respond, "Working on it!" Which gives them a near coronary but really that's what salvation is. I'm confident in where I'll be at the resurrection; but that doesn't mean my salvation was a one time or an assured thing. It means it's a life I promised to live for God. And it's always improving, always working.
 
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The basic error with "Once saved always saved" is two fold. First it assumes that salvation is a one time event that happened in the past where the Bible used the Greek word for saved which is an act with continuing effect (not aorist tense in which an event happens and ends at a point). The Bible says we are being saved, not that we got saved and it is over.
Well, this is true. The place where OSAS finds a "home" is in the promise of eternal life. Salvation is on 2 levels: eternal life and temporal life — justification and sanctification. I understand the Methodist view is that sanctification is, eventually, justification.

The second is that if you believe in once saved always saved you effectively believe that people lose their free will after their saving experience with Christ.
Not so. Free will continues. What happens when we "turn away" is that we grieve or quench the Spirit and we love FELLOWSHIP with God for a space of time. That fellowship is mostly restored, as the Luke 15 parables show, by Christ coming after the lost sheep, the Spirit helping to find the lost coin, and the Father accepting the prodigal son back in heaven despite his prodigal life.

[/quote]The result is a belief that you could walk the aisle "get saved" and then live like the Devil for the rest of your life and still go to heaven.[/QUOTE]
I don't agree with the Calvinist pov either. Theirs is NO commitment salvation. My Methodist wife did what I believe is necessary — she did come down the aisle, she did pray repenting of sin and giving her life to God in Christ's name, and she has led the Methodist model of sanctification. I can't argue with that and she does not believe that she can "leave" her SPIRITUAL salvation even if she "fall out of touch."

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Well, this is true. The place where OSAS finds a "home" is in the promise of eternal life. Salvation is on 2 levels: eternal life and temporal life — justification and sanctification. I understand the Methodist view is that sanctification is, eventually, justification.

No, justification preceeds sanctification. But justification and sanctification are both grace gifts from God. You can't earn either of them.


Not so. Free will continues. What happens when we "turn away" is that we grieve or quench the Spirit and we love FELLOWSHIP with God for a space of time. That fellowship is mostly restored, as the Luke 15 parables show, by Christ coming after the lost sheep, the Spirit helping to find the lost coin, and the Father accepting the prodigal son back in heaven despite his prodigal life.

That only works if you come back. The prodigal son story requires a return. OSA assumes a return, want one or not.

she does not believe that she can "leave" her SPIRITUAL salvation even if she "fall out of touch."

She has a right to her view but it is not the doctrine of the United Methodist Church. Nor would it prevent her from walking away if she changed her mind later.
 
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Losing ones salvation isn't something you can do accidentally. There is no one sin that God says "Gee, okay, take him off the list". Losing ones salvation is an intentional rejection, apostasy. It's choosing to reject God.

I've been there. I knew about God; I heard about His love. But I was at that point where I was ready to turn my back on God and walk away. The idea of believing and trusting in God didn't seem logical to me.
 
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I've been there. I knew about God; I heard about His love. But I was at that point where I was ready to turn my back on God and walk away. The idea of believing and trusting in God didn't seem logical to me.

I remember you talking about that, Mysty. How is it going today?
 
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Good. Improving. I think being in a dark place with no hope gave me a different perspective; I am more appreciative of what I have now. One of the most important things I've learned - I'm not alone. God is always with me - He has promised not to leave. And I'm very thankful for friends who did not give up on me.

Still reading the Bible - finding new verses. My current fav is Jeremiah 29:13 - You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

Still working on that trusting part - not an easy one for me, but I look at every day as a choice. Don't focus on mistakes of the past or what might happen tomorrow - what do I choose for today? I can trust God or choose to be on my own.

I did participate in communion on Sunday. A couple months ago on communion Sunday, I left when they started communion. It was different - I felt like I was walking away from God. Choices. Not the direction I want to take.

Still working through questions - at my own pace.
 
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