Common Questions and Objections Regarding the Sabbath Refuted

[LarryP2]

That position may be valid for you, but it is invalid under my tradition. I am merely accepting that you and others may believe and interpret differently, and it will be up to YHVH (not me) to judge all in the end.

Well, that certainly is a very foreign conception to the Sabbath Spam posters who insist that the Mosaic Sabbath Law is mandatory for Christians. And who strangle the clear meaning of the Epistles in order to keep one foot in Judaism and the other in Christianity. I've never waivered in expressing my respect for your honest positions, which are as I have told you are nothing like those of the Seventh Day Adventists.

Are you willing to say publicly that the Seventh Day Adventist position on the Sabbath is untenable hogwash, in that it follows neither traditional Christianity, nor does it follow Messianic Judaism? Yet it hypocritically condemns Christians who assert the Sabbath Law was nailed to the Cross pursuant to the plain meaning of Colossians 2:13-19?

 

[ananda]

Well, that certainly is a very foreign conception to the Sabbath Spam posters who insist that the Mosaic Sabbath Law is mandatory for Christians. I've never waivered in expressing my respect for your honest positions, which are as I have told you are nothing like those of the Seventh Day Adventists.

Are you willing to say publicly that the Seventh Day Adventist position on the Sabbath is untenable hogwash, in that it follows neither traditional Christianity, nor does it follow Messianic Judaism? Yet it condemns Christians who assert the Law was nailed to the Cross?

I am not SDA, nor am I completely familiar with their position, so I cannot judge them ... and, as I stated, although I may personally believe that they might be in error, it is up to YHVH to judge in the end.

 

[pyramid33]

That position may be valid for you, but it is invalid under my tradition. I am merely accepting that you and others may believe and interpret differently, and it will be up to YHVH (not me) to judge all in the end.

All christians are for God alone. Christ was crucified for all creation and not bound by human restrictions of forsaking Gods law. That is an error of modern leaders in so called churches. God is for all and rejects none. God is interested in the hearts. The intents of the hearts. his ways are far above any of us and God forbid one attempts to condemn another, since that is God's job alone.

The sabbath is good.

 

[pyramid33]

Well, that certainly is a very foreign conception to the Sabbath Spam posters who insist that the Mosaic Sabbath Law is mandatory for Christians.

That is the problem. Nobody is insisting that the sabbath is mandatory there.

That is your own dilemma.

 

[LarryP2]

That is the problem. Nobody is insisting that the sabbath is mandatory there.

That is your own dilemma.

Actually that is not "my own dilemna." That is the theology of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, which comes on to this Christian Forum and tries to bully and deceive Christians into thinking the law (as described by SDAs) is mandatory on Christians. That was a position that was unanimously, unequivocally, and harshly condemned by the Early Church Fathers. Your statement that this is a "modern" phenomena could not possibly be more false.

 

[Cribstyl]

That is the problem. Nobody is insisting that the sabbath is mandatory there.

That is your own dilemma.

You are so misinformed or just being deceptive. I guess all of the above.

"Thus the distinction is drawn between the loyal and the disloyal. Those who desire to have the seal of God in their foreheads must keep the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Thus they are distinguished from the disloyal, who have accepted a manmade institution in place of the true Sabbath. The observance of God's rest day is a mark of distinction between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not."
Ellen White, Review & Herald, April 23, 1901.

 

[pyramid33]

You are so misinformed or just being deceptive. I guess all of the above.

Man, that is insulting. I think the sabbath is good.

 

[VictorC]

That is the problem. Nobody is insisting that the sabbath is mandatory there.

That is your own dilemma.

The Sabbath is a key component of Seventh-day Adventist soteriology.

No one is saved who is a transgressor of the law of God, which is the foundation of his government in heaven and in earth. {RH June 17, 1890, par. 8}

It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." 1 Samuel 2:30. {6T 356.4}

But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}

All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}

As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

“God requires of all His subjects obedience, entire obedience to all His commandments. He demands now as ever perfect righteousness as the only title to heaven. Christ is our hope and our refuge. His righteousness is imputed only to the obedient!” (Review & Herald, Sept. 21, 1886)

"Christ does not lessen the claims of the law. In unmistakable language He presents obedience to it as the condition of eternal life—the same condition that was required of Adam before his Fall. The Lord expects no less of the soul now than He expected of man in Paradise, perfect obedience, unblemished righteousness. The requirement under the covenant of grace is just as broad as the requirement made in Eden—harmony with God’s law, which is holy, just, and good." (Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 391)​

 

[pyramid33]

Actually that is not "my own dilemna." That is the theology of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, which comes on to this Christian Forum and tries to bully and deceive Christians into thinking the law (as described by SDAs) is mandatory on Christians. That was a position that was unanimously, unequivocally, and harshly condemned by the Early Church Fathers. Your statement that this is a "modern" phenomena could not possibly be more false.

So take it up with SDA's. I don't deserve to be reprimanded of your conviction's against the sabbath. Maybe you can take it to the SDA forum section and discuss until your ready to stop discussing. Nobody here is trying to force it on to you though. It is a right of the people to observe the sabbath or reject it. It certainly isn't a battlefield among people that choose to observe or choose not to observe it with no qualms either way.

 

[pyramid33]

The Sabbath is a key component of Seventh-day Adventist soteriology.

So?

SDA is free to practice anyway SDA wants to practice.

 

[VictorC]

So?

Your previous statement...

Nobody is insisting that the sabbath is mandatory there.

...does not apply to Seventh-day Adventists.

 

[from scratch]

That is the problem. Nobody is insisting that the sabbath is mandatory there.

That is your own dilemma.

What?

 

[Sophrosyne]

That is the problem. Nobody is insisting that the sabbath is mandatory there.

That is your own dilemma.

Interesting facts listed - thanks for sharing them.

As we noticed on a number of other threads there are even some pro-Sunday sources that will admit to the fact that the 4th Commandment is still binding on all the saints as it was in Eden. (Only they would like to bend God's Commandment after the cross and point it to week-day-1 and away from "the seventh day" as HE stated it).

And then of course there are those who are simply at war with God's TEN Commandments -- all TEN.

in Christ,

Bob

You haven't been paying attention pyramid33

 

[from scratch]

Where is it written in YHVH's Law that death is prescribed to those "driving a car" on Sabbath?

That's legalism. If we didn't have cars what would we be riding in or on?

 

[Sophrosyne]

So take it up with SDA's. I don't deserve to be reprimanded of your conviction's against the sabbath. Maybe you can take it to the SDA forum section and discuss until your ready to stop discussing. Nobody here is trying to force it on to you though. It is a right of the people to observe the sabbath or reject it. It certainly isn't a battlefield among people that choose to observe or choose not to observe it with no qualms either way.

You can't "discuss" the sabbath in the SDA forum section as debate by non SDA isn't allowed there which means if you disagree with them you will get booted, banned, etc.

 

[from scratch]

You can't "discuss" the sabbath in the SDA forum section as debate by non SDA isn't allowed there which means if you disagree with them you will get booted, banned, etc.

Last time I even peaked in there it was like a door nail.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Last time I even peaked in there it was like a door nail.

probably because they are all here spamming us with the mark of the beast is keeping sunday or some nonsense like that

 

[pyramid33]

You haven't been paying attention pyramid33

I wasn't aware this was an SDA thread/post. I'm standing behind my post's.

 

[pyramid33]

You can't "discuss" the sabbath in the SDA forum section as debate by non SDA isn't allowed there which means if you disagree with them you will get booted, banned, etc.

I think the sabbath is fine with some, so that isn't my problem.

 

[pyramid33]

probably because they are all here spamming us with the mark of the beast is keeping sunday or some nonsense like that

That is unfair to mankind in general.