Common Questions and Objections Regarding the Sabbath Refuted

[ananda]

Q1. "Observing the Sabbath is not a 'New Testament Church' Practice"
A1. False. The early post-resurrection believers gathered on Sabbath (Jn 20:19, Acts 15:21, Acts 20:7) in obedience to the commandment. See Q7 below for more details.

Q2. "Messiah did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath"
A2. False. If He did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath, then He would not have commanded His end-time followers to pray earnestly that they can escape from tribulation disasters and that those disasters would not occur on the Sabbath (Mt 24:20).

Q3. "Sunday, the 'Lord's Day', has replaced the Saturday Sabbath"
A3. False. Nowhere in Scripture is it written that Sunday has now replaced Saturday Sabbath. In the fourth century A.D., three hundred years after the last Apostle died, The Roman Catholic Church, on the authority of its own traditions, were the ones who changed Saturday Sabbath observance into Sunday observance. (The Protestants have carried over this tradition into their churches, being offspring of the Roman Catholic Church.) This is admitted to by a bishop of the Roman Catholic Church:

"Catholic Bishop" confessed that they change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - YouTube

Q4. "Keeping the Sabbath means you are trying to keep the Law and observe things that are 'finished by Messiah', which means you've fallen from Grace!"
A4. False. If this is true, then none of the other 9 commandments should be observed. Also, if this is true, then neither Easter nor Christmas should be observed either, because you are observing things that have been 'finished by Messiah'.

Q5. "Messiah broke the Sabbath, thereby demonstrating to us that we can break it too"
A5. False. Messiah corrected the Pharisees' false assumptions about the Sabbath, and demonstrated the proper observance of it, which did not exclude healing or picking and eating food on the Sabbath. If Messiah did break the Sabbath, as some claim, then He committed sin (1Jn 3:4), no longer qualifies to be the Messiah, and is thus a false Messiah!

Q6. "Trying to keep the Sabbath is a burden"
A6. "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome." -1Jn 5:3 (RSV)

Q7. "What about all the 'first day of the week' references in the New Testament?"
A7. False translations. Let's take one example, John 20:19. In the Greek, it states that the disciples were assembled at evening on "μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων" (mia ton sabbaton)! Mia = one, ton = of the, sabbaton = Sabbaths. The disciples gathered on "one of the Sabbaths", not on the "first day of the week". "First" is not the same as "one", "Sabbath" is not "week", and there is no equivalent to the word "day" even found in the Greek.

Q8. "Sabbath observance is for the Jews only, not for believing Gentiles"
A8. False. Messiah commanded the exact same observances for believing Jews and believing Gentiles. He commanded His twelve Jewish apostles to go and teach the Gentiles to observe everything He taught them to observe (Mt 28:18-20). The Father, YHVH, held the same position regarding the Jews and Gentiles (Ex 12:49, Lev 7:7, Lev 24:22, Num 9:14, Num 15:15,6, Num 15:29, etc.).

Q9. "We shouldn't work on Sabbath, but it doesn't say anything about worshiping on Sabbath"
A9. False. Holy convocations are commanded for the Sabbath (Lev 23:3). The believing disciples observed this commandment (Jn 20:19) on the Sabbath, gathering on their own apart from the unbelieving Jews.

(more to come ...)

 

[BobRyan]

Interesting facts listed - thanks for sharing them.

As we noticed on a number of other threads there are even some pro-Sunday sources that will admit to the fact that the 4th Commandment is still binding on all the saints as it was in Eden. (Only they would like to bend God's Commandment after the cross and point it to week-day-1 and away from "the seventh day" as HE stated it).

And then of course there are those who are simply at war with God's TEN Commandments -- all TEN.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[LarryP2]

Here is my response to the thread, which will be immediately inundated by 100s of Spam posts referring to it as a "factless rant:"


JUDAISM PROHIBITED GENTILE SABBATH KEEPING

"Inasmuch as the Jews had their own distinct jurisdiction, it would have been unwise to reveal their laws to the Gentiles, for such knowledge might have operated against the Jews in their opponents' courts. Hence the Talmud prohibited the teaching to a Gentile of the Torah, "the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob" (Deut. xxxiii. 4). R. Johanan says of one so teaching: "Such a person deserves death" (an idiom used to express indignation). "It is like placing an obstacle before the blind" (Sanh. 59a; Ḥag. 13a).
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Resh Laḳish (d. 278) said, "A Gentile observing the Sabbath deserves death" (Sanh. 58b). This refers to a Gentile who accepted the seven laws of the Noachidæ, inasmuch as "the Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone," and it was probably directed against the Christian Jews, who disregarded the Mosaic laws and yet at that time kept up the observance of the Jewish Sabbath.
GENTILE - JewishEncyclopedia.com

I have been studying the Talmud and Responsa rulings for over a year: They are loaded with denouncements of Gentiles keeping any part of the Mosaic Law.

Judaism's prohibition against unconverted Gentiles keeping the Mosaic Laws escalated radically after the Resurrection. As a side note, the way Jesus Christ was treated was fresh on the Apostle's minds. Gentile Christians were despised far beyond other mere Gentiles, and were subject to the most intense hatred imageanable:

JUDAISM WAS AT WAR WITH CHRISTIANITY IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE RESURRECTION

"The ultimate in infamy in Talmudic Judaism is Christ, and the target of all Talmudic hatred is not just "the people who are like an ass; slaves who are considered the property of the master. (Keth. 111a) The docile "asses" willing to be saddled and used will be used as burden bearers for the masters. But of all the recalcitrant "asses" the Christians are the most insanely hated and loathed because their doctrines are the reverse of every Talmudic doctrine. They rank not just as animals like the rest of non-Talmudic humanity, but as vermin to be eradicate. Language is exhausted to find more foul and hated names for Christians in the Talmud."

"Jesus in Hell: Where His punishment is "boiling hot sperm," Gittin 57a....."

The Jewish Talmud insults to Jesus and Gentiles.

So, Gentile Christians kept the Sabbath, did they? Here's the problems:

1). The Apostles had the crucifixion fresh in their minds. Judaism had just murdered their leader. Christians were being hunted vigorously by the Jews. When they were caught, they were stoned.

2). Gentiles have always been prohibited from Torah study and Sabbath Keeping. .Paul, an expert on Jewish law knew this.

3). Acts 15 reflects the clear mandate that Gentile Christians would not be circumcised, which is the first step of converting to Judaism, which is necessary before one reads the Torah and keeps the Sabbaths and all of the other Holy Days. Judaism is emphatic: All 613 Mitzvot are equal and all are binding. The Sabbath is just one of 613, and in no way allowed to be elevated as more important than the rest of the Mitzvot. You keep one, you keep them all. The Mosaic Law has NEVER been interpreted by Judaism to allow the Ten Commandments to be separated from the rest of the 613 Mitzvot:

"All 613 of those mitzvot are equally sacred, equally binding and equally the word of G-d. All of these mitzvot are treated as equally important, because human beings, with our limited understanding of the universe, have no way of knowing which mitzvot are more important in the eyes of the Creator. Pirkei Avot, a book of the Mishnah, teaches "Be as meticulous in performing a 'minor' mitzvah as you are with a 'major' one, because you don't know what kind of reward you'll get for various mitzvot."

Judaism 101: Aseret ha-Dibrot: The "Ten Commandments"

The Didache, which is dated by some experts to AD 50, specifically orders Christians to worship on "The Lord's Day."
The Didache - The Complete Text

4). Lastly, Eastern Orthodoxy (300 million members, 2,000 years old) adamantly assists that the Resurrection was commemorated on Sundays and Easter in the First year after the Resurrection. The Seventh Day Adventist Church has NEVER even mentioned this assertion in ANY of its literature, let alone refuted it. It simply is not mentioned in the Great Controversy, which has a theme that the Roman Pope unilaterally "changed Saturday to Sunday." It seems to be the SDA position to never let facts get in the way of a good story. THIS HAS BEEN POSTED MORE THAN 25 TIMES IN THE LAST MONTH, AND HAS NEVER BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED, LET ALONE ADDRESSED, LET ALONE REFUTED.

5). Simply put, Seventh Day Adventism is a non-christian cult whose members achieve Salvation by perfect Sabbath observance. Seventh Day Adventism rejects the Resurrection, which has NOTHING to do with their theory of Salvation. Here is an article written by an ex-SDA who charges that the Church has rejected Easter commemoration because it has rejected the Resurrection:
http://www.lifeassuranceministries.org/proclamation/2011/1/easterisabigdeal.html

"Seventh Day Adventists deny the resurrection by observing the Sabbath. We come to church on Sunday, the Lord's Day, to worship Him who "died for our sins, and rose again for our justification." We worship a living Savior, and with thanksgiving, can sing:
"He lives, He lives, Christ Jesus lives today!"
If I worship Christ on Saturday I deny that His work is finished, that He is a resurrected, living Savior."

Why I Am A Baptist And Not A Seventh Day Adventist

6). Seventh Day Adventism is just plain and simple the revival of the Ebionite Heresy, which was denounced early and often by the early Christians. Sabbath Keeping was seen as evidence that the practitioner had not received faith. Both Ignatius of Antioch and Justin Martyr denounced Sabbath Keeping by Christians:

"Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor with old fables, which are unprofitable. For if we still live according to the Jewish law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace."
....
"If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death— whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure....."
CHURCH FATHERS: Epistle to the Magnesians (St. Ignatius)

Note: Ignatius of Antioch was a disciple of both Peter and John. He became the Bishop of Antioch when Peter went to Rome. He was murdered by the Romans in around AD 107

"Is there any other matter, my friends, in which we are blamed, than this, that we live not after the law, and are not circumcised in the flesh as your forefathers were, and do not observe sabbaths as you do?"
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[this is the response of the Jew in Justin Martyr's "Dialogues with Trypho] "But this is what we are most at a loss about: that you, professing to be pious, and supposing yourselves better than others, are not in any particular separated from them, and do not alter your mode of living from the nations, in that you observe no festivals or Sabbaths, and do not have the rite of circumcision; and further, resting your hopes on a man that was crucified...."
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"For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you....."
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CHAPTER XXI -- SABBATHS WERE INSTITUTED ON ACCOUNT OF THE PEOPLE'S SINS, AND NOT FOR A WORK OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.
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"Moreover, that God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and impose on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness......"
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"Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or Of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham."
Saint Justin Martyr: Dialogue with Trypho (Roberts-Donaldson)

So let the Sabbath spam roll with the usual argument that has been repeated thousands of time that the Catholic Catechism and the Baptist Confession of Faith support 7th Day Sabbath keeping. This post will be heavily buried with 100's of Spam Sabbath posts and if you come back in a year, you will not one single point even slightly addressed by the Sabbath Spammer, let alone refuted. You will see this referred by the automatic Spam computer as a "factless rant." For 2,000 years, Christianity has harshly denounced Sabbath Keeping and has done so early and often.

Simply put, Sabbath Keeping is a non-Christian repudiation of the Resurrection.

The Resurrection is the central doctrine of Christianity, nothing else is even close.

 

[ananda]

Interesting facts listed - thanks for sharing them.

As we noticed on a number of other threads there are even some pro-Sunday sources that will admit to the fact that the 4th Commandment is still binding on all the saints as it was in Eden. (Only they would like to bend God's Commandment after the cross and point it to week-day-1 and away from "the seventh day" as HE stated it).

And then of course there are those who are simply at war with God's TEN Commandments -- all TEN.

in Christ,

Bob

Thank you for your support, Bob

 

[ananda]

JUDAISM PROHIBITED GENTILE SABBATH KEEPING ... JUDAISM WAS AT WAR WITH CHRISTIANITY IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE RESURRECTION

As a Messianic, I have nothing to do with "Orthodox" Judaism or their Talmud. They can pronounce anything they want, it has nothing to do with me.

So, Gentile Christians kept the Sabbath, did they? Here's the problems: Gentiles have always been prohibited [by Orthodox Judaism] from Torah study and Sabbath Keeping. .Paul, an expert on Jewish law knew this. 3). Acts 15 reflects the clear mandate that Gentile Christians would not be circumcised, which is the first step of converting to Judaism, which is necessary before one reads the Torah and keeps the Sabbaths and all of the other Holy Days. [Orthodox] Judaism is emphatic: All 613 Mitzvot are equal and all are binding. The Sabbath is just one of 613, and in no way allowed to be elevated as more important than the rest of the Mitzvot.

Again, as a Messianic, I have nothing to do with "Pharisaic/Rabbinical/Orthodox" Judaism or their Talmud and oral traditions, or their perspective on the mitzvot. They can pronounce anything they want, it has nothing to do with me.

The Didache, which is dated by some experts to AD 50, specifically orders Christians to worship on "The Lord's Day."

The Didache is not part of my Scriptures.

4). Lastly, Eastern Orthodoxy (300 million members, 2,000 years old) adamantly assists that the Resurrection was commemorated on Sundays and Easter in the First year after the Resurrection.

As a Messianic, I have nothing to do with Eastern Orthodoxy or their oral traditions. They can pronounce anything they want, it has nothing to do with me.

The Seventh Day Adventist Church has NEVER even mentioned this assertion in ANY of its literature, let alone refuted it.

As a Messianic, I have nothing to do with the SDA or their oral traditions. They can pronounce anything they want, it has nothing to do with me.

6). Seventh Day Adventism is just plain and simple the revival of the Ebionite Heresy, which was denounced early and often by the early Christians. Sabbath Keeping was seen as evidence that the practitioner had not received faith. Both Ignatius of Antioch and Justin Martyr denounced Sabbath Keeping by Christians:"

Ignatius and Justin are not my apostles, nor are their works "Scripture". They can pronounce anything they want, it has nothing to do with me.

I am proud to be part of the faithful Ebionite Orthodoxy, and I denounce the Sunday-replacement Heresy.

 

[BobRyan]

Q1. "Observing the Sabbath is not a 'New Testament Church' Practice"
A1. False. The early post-resurrection believers gathered on Sabbath (Jn 20:19, Acts 15:21, Acts 20:7) in obedience to the commandment.

Very good list of points.

Thanks.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Here is my response to the thread, which will be immediately inundated by 100s of Spam posts referring to it as a "factless rant:"


JUDAISM PROHIBITED GENTILE SABBATH KEEPING

"Inasmuch as the Jews had their own distinct jurisdiction,...

until you read Acts 13 and Matt 23, and Isaiah 56 that is.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[LarryP2]

As a Messianic, I have nothing to do with "Orthodox" Judaism or their Talmud. They can pronounce anything they want, it has nothing to do with me.

And you certainly have a right to declare yourself not under the Law as enforced by the Sanhedrin at the time of the Apostles. The Apostles and and Early Christians, by contrast, did not have that option. Messing around with the Sanhedrin meant Death. Paul was on the giving and receiving end of death orders from the Sandhedrin. As I understand it, you have also rejected the authority of the Epistles of Paul, and you furthermore have written that you have no opposition to one of the central themes of the Epistles: Paul's unequivocal rejection of the Mosaic Law. Is that still true? In other words, you do not agree with the dishonest and deceitful position of Seventh Day Adventists that Paul did NOT abolish the Mosaic Law for Gentile Christians. And at one point, you conceded that Colossians 2:13-18 did in fact clearly abolish Sabbath Keeping for those who held St. Paul in authority.

Again, as a Messianic, I have nothing to do with "Pharisaic/Rabbinical/Orthodox" Judaism or their Talmud and oral traditions, or their perspective on the mitzvot. They can pronounce anything they want, it has nothing to do with me.

And you certainly have a right to declare yourself not under the Law as enforced by the Sanhedrin at the time of the Apostles. The Apostles and and Early Christians did not have that option. Messing around with the Sanhedrin meant Death. Paul was on the giving and receiving end of death orders from the Sandhedrin. As I understand it, you have also rejected the authority of the Epistles of Paul, and you furthermore have written that you have no opposition to the central theme of the Epistles: Paul's unequivocal rejection of the Mosaic Law. Is that still true? In other words, you do not agree with the dishonest and deceitful position of Seventh Day Adventists that Paul did NOT abolish the Mosaic Law for Gentile Christians. And at one point, you conceded that Colossians 2:13-18 did in fact clearly abolish Sabbath Keeping for those who held St. Paul in authority.

The Didache is not part of my Scriptures.

That is certainly true. The Early Gentile Church used the Didache as a Church "operating manual.' I am assuming that you would not disagree with that assessment, nor would you oppose that operating manual requires Gentile Christians to observe the Lord's Day, i.e. Sunday. I am assuming that you do not disagree with that assessment. In other words, you do not agree with the dishonest and deceitful position of Seventh Day Adventists that the Didache did NOT abolish the Mosaic Law for Gentile Christians.

As a Messianic, I have nothing to do with Eastern Orthodoxy or their oral traditions. They can pronounce anything they want, it has nothing to do with me. [/QUOTE]

This point is un-refuted and it cannot be refuted and has never been refuted. It is specifically, dishonestly, deceitfully and deliberately unmentioned in the central Adventist text, the Great Controversy. I am assuming that you do not disagree with this assessment, insofar as it applies to all of Gentile Christianity in existence in the First Century Christianity?

As a Messianic, I have nothing to do with the SDA or their oral traditions. They can pronounce anything they want, it has nothing to do with me.

And we had a lengthy discussion on this once. I repeatedly congratulated you on your honesty for your outright rejection of St. Paul as an Apostle who you indeed did say was a "false Apostle," and your concurrence that St. Paul indeed did eliminate the Mosaic Law for Gentile Christian converts. And that you agreed with my assessment that the Seventh Day Adventists deceitfully mangle the Epistles to make them say the OPPOSITE of what they actually DO say. And at one point, you conceded that Colossians 2:13-18 did in fact clearly abolish Sabbath Keeping for those who held St. Paul in authority.

Ignatius and Justin are not my apostles, nor are their works "Scripture". They can pronounce anything they want, it has nothing to do with me.

And we also had a long discussion over this point where I repeatedly congratulated you for your honesty in conceding that those two Christian Martyrs DID have the authority to make those statements in their Gentile Churches and that they have been quoted honestly. Your position as I understand it is they had no jurisdiction over the Ebionites. Is that still your position? And at one point, St. Ignatius and St. Justin Martyr were actually following Paul'c commands in Colossians 2:13-18, that did in fact clearly abolish Sabbath Keeping for those who held St. Paul in authority.

I am proud to be part of the faithful Ebionite Orthodoxy, and I denounce the Sunday-replacement Heresy.

And we agreed that the "Gentile/Pauline" Christians went one way, and the Ebionites went the other. And I repeatedly congratulated you on your honesty and integrity in that you also rejected the dishonest Seventh Day Adventist position that ALL of Christianity commemorated the Sabbath. And furthermore, you also did not disagree with the position of Eastern Orthodoxy that Sunday worship and Easter Celebration began in the first year after the Resurrection among Gentile Converts, and did so at the explicit instructions of the Apostles. Is that assessment still correct? And at one point, you conceded that Colossians 2:13-18 did in fact clearly abolish Sabbath Keeping for those who held St. Paul in authority.

 

[ananda]

Actually, to be precise, I believe Paul taught both for and against observance of the Law, he being the "double minded man" which James wrote about.

Ignatius and Justin only hold authority over those who willingly consent to follow their traditions. This does not include me.

I don't know if Sunday worship and Easter celebrations began in the first year after the Resurrection. These observances are neither found in Torah nor in Messiah's instructions, and are, to me, forms of self-righteousness (as opposed to true righteousness).

In regards to my answers in the OP, I cannot speak nor am I speaking for the SDAs or any other group ... only for my own beliefs.

 

[LarryP2]

Actually, to be precise, I believe Paul taught both for and against observance of the Law, he being the "double minded man" which James wrote about.

Ignatius and Justin only hold authority over those who willingly consent to follow their traditions. This does not include me.

I don't know if Sunday worship and Easter celebrations began in the first year after the Resurrection. These observances are neither found in Torah nor in Messiah's instructions, and are, to me, forms of self-righteousness (as opposed to true righteousness).

In regards to my answers in the OP, I cannot speak nor am I speaking for the SDAs or any other group ... only for my own beliefs.

But you did not disagree with my contention that Colossians 2:13-18, to the extent that Paul had the authority to do so (which of course you do disagree that he had authority to do so), eliminated any requirement that Gentile Christians keep the Jewish Sabbaths and Festivals.?

 

[ananda]

But you did not disagree with my contention that Colossians 2:13-18, to the extent that Paul had the authority to do so (which of course you do disagree that he had authority to do so), eliminated any requirement that Gentile Christians keep the Jewish Sabbaths and Festivals.?

I agree with your assessment of Paul's position regarding Col 2:13-18.

 

[Frogster]

Q1. "Observing the Sabbath is not a 'New Testament Church' Practice"
A1. False. The early post-resurrection believers gathered on Sabbath (Jn 20:19, Acts 15:21, Acts 20:7) in obedience to the commandment.

Q2. "Messiah did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath"
A2. False. If He did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath, then He would not have commanded His end-time followers to pray earnestly that they can escape from tribulation disasters and that those disasters would not occur on the Sabbath (Mt 24:20).

Q3. "Sunday, the 'Lord's Day', has replaced the Saturday Sabbath"
A3. False. Nowhere in Scripture is it written that Sunday has now replaced Saturday Sabbath. In the fourth century A.D., three hundred years after the last Apostle died, The Roman Catholic Church, on the authority of its own traditions, were the ones who changed Saturday Sabbath observance into Sunday observance. (The Protestants have carried over this tradition into their churches, being offspring of the Roman Catholic Church.) This is admitted to by a bishop of the Roman Catholic Church:

"Catholic Bishop" confessed that they change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - YouTube

Q4. "Keeping the Sabbath means you are trying to keep the Law and observe things that are 'finished by Messiah', which means you've fallen from Grace!"
A4. False. If this is true, then none of the other 9 commandments should be observed. Also, if this is true, then neither Easter nor Christmas should be observed either, because you are observing things that have been 'finished by Messiah'.

Q5. "Messiah broke the Sabbath, thereby demonstrating to us that we can break it too"
A5. False. Messiah corrected the Pharisees' false assumptions about the Sabbath, and demonstrated the proper observance of it, which did not exclude healing or picking and eating food on the Sabbath. If Messiah did break the Sabbath, as some claim, then He committed sin (1Jn 3:4), no longer qualifies to be the Messiah, and is thus a false Messiah!

Q6. "Trying to keep the Sabbath is a burden"
A6. "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome." -1Jn 5:3 (RSV)

Q7. "What about all the 'first day of the week' references in the New Testament?"
A7. False translations. Let's take one example, John 20:19. In the Greek, it states that the disciples were assembled at evening on "μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων" (mia ton sabbaton)! Mia = one, ton = of the, sabbaton = Sabbaths. The disciples gathered on "one of the Sabbaths", not on the "first day of the week". "First" is not the same as "one", "Sabbath" is not "week", and there is no equivalent to the word "day" even found in the Greek.

Q8. "Sabbath observance is for the Jews only, not for believing Gentiles"
A8. False. Messiah commanded the exact same observances for believing Jews and believing Gentiles. He commanded His twelve Jewish apostles to go and teach the Gentiles to observe everything He taught them to observe (Mt 28:18-20). The Father, YHVH, held the same position regarding the Jews and Gentiles (Ex 12:49, Lev 7:7, Lev 24:22, Num 9:14, Num 15:15,6, Num 15:29, etc.).

Q9. "We shouldn't work on Sabbath, but it doesn't say anything about worshiping on Sabbath"
A9. False. Holy convocations are commanded for the Sabbath (Lev 23:3). The believing disciples observed this commandment (Jn 20:19) on the Sabbath, gathering on their own apart from the unbelieving Jews.

(more to come ...)

Red above, hmmmm..I am suprised you quote Luke, if I am not mistaken, didn't you think Acts is not inspired text, just curious?

As far as John goes, in 1 John 3:23 he mentions just 2 commands also, and nothing fits in his epistle to mean Sabbath. Acts 20, and your John verse, at best show calendrical convenience and habit. Just like today in the USA, we tend to do things on the weekend, people gather, and are not working weekends, that's all.

Acts 15:21. Wow!

Yep..I can see it now, the Christian disciples going into the synagogues, saying "hi there, praise the Lord, the council said we do not have to be circumcised, we do not have to keep the Torah, and Peter said the Torah was a yoke that he nor the fathers could bear, and James said not to burden us with the Torah! Guess what synagogue leaders, the gospel is about faith and grace said Peter, Jew and Greek saved the same way, God shows no partiality, like Paul will later say in Rom 10:12. We did not have to get circumcised, which would have bound us to Sabbath!"

My oh my, I am sure they would be welcomed in the synagogues..yup..

That verse was not saying the church was to keep Sabbath at all, in fact 15:21 was part of a larger narrative, that shows the opposite.


Lets look at it with a proper text analysis, and interpretaion, and reading the OT, from a NT vantage point.

Why would Paul want the believers in the synagogues, around the very environment he went to fight off in Jerusalem? They were glad to not have the Torah put on them!

They went to churches after the coucil meeting, not synagogues if you read 15, you will see that. They were glad about the decision, no circumcision, which meant no conversion to Judaism, and the law and Sabbath keeping.

The synagogue leaders, for the most part hated Paul, and whipped Paul, the Christians would not be tolerated in the synagogues, praisng the messiah, that the Jews rejected, so your interp of Acts 15:21, does not at all fit the narrative.

Like Paul would want his converts getting Judaized in the synagogues with Sabby imposition? I do not think so!

In fact the synagogues could be dangerous for Christians.

In the End, no Sabbath for the churches, the Sabbath was never given to to gentiles, or the Church anyway.

Be back later with more.

 

[Frogster]

Q1. "Observing the Sabbath is not a 'New Testament Church' Practice"
A1. False. The early post-resurrection believers gathered on Sabbath (Jn 20:19, Acts 15:21, Acts 20:7) in obedience to the commandment.

Q2. "Messiah did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath"
A2. False. If He did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath, then He would not have commanded His end-time followers to pray earnestly that they can escape from tribulation disasters and that those disasters would not occur on the Sabbath (Mt 24:20).
Q3. "Sunday, the 'Lord's Day', has replaced the Saturday Sabbath"
A3. False. Nowhere in Scripture is it written that Sunday has now replaced Saturday Sabbath. In the fourth century A.D., three hundred years after the last Apostle died, The Roman Catholic Church, on the authority of its own traditions, were the ones who changed Saturday Sabbath observance into Sunday observance. (The Protestants have carried over this tradition into their churches, being offspring of the Roman Catholic Church.) This is admitted to by a bishop of the Roman Catholic Church:

"Catholic Bishop" confessed that they change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - YouTube

Q4. "Keeping the Sabbath means you are trying to keep the Law and observe things that are 'finished by Messiah', which means you've fallen from Grace!"
A4. False. If this is true, then none of the other 9 commandments should be observed. Also, if this is true, then neither Easter nor Christmas should be observed either, because you are observing things that have been 'finished by Messiah'.

Q5. "Messiah broke the Sabbath, thereby demonstrating to us that we can break it too"
A5. False. Messiah corrected the Pharisees' false assumptions about the Sabbath, and demonstrated the proper observance of it, which did not exclude healing or picking and eating food on the Sabbath. If Messiah did break the Sabbath, as some claim, then He committed sin (1Jn 3:4), no longer qualifies to be the Messiah, and is thus a false Messiah!

Q6. "Trying to keep the Sabbath is a burden"
A6. "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome." -1Jn 5:3 (RSV)

Q7. "What about all the 'first day of the week' references in the New Testament?"
A7. False translations. Let's take one example, John 20:19. In the Greek, it states that the disciples were assembled at evening on "μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων" (mia ton sabbaton)! Mia = one, ton = of the, sabbaton = Sabbaths. The disciples gathered on "one of the Sabbaths", not on the "first day of the week". "First" is not the same as "one", "Sabbath" is not "week", and there is no equivalent to the word "day" even found in the Greek.

Q8. "Sabbath observance is for the Jews only, not for believing Gentiles"
A8. False. Messiah commanded the exact same observances for believing Jews and believing Gentiles. He commanded His twelve Jewish apostles to go and teach the Gentiles to observe everything He taught them to observe (Mt 28:18-20). The Father, YHVH, held the same position regarding the Jews and Gentiles (Ex 12:49, Lev 7:7, Lev 24:22, Num 9:14, Num 15:15,6, Num 15:29, etc.).

Q9. "We shouldn't work on Sabbath, but it doesn't say anything about worshiping on Sabbath"
A9. False. Holy convocations are commanded for the Sabbath (Lev 23:3). The believing disciples observed this commandment (Jn 20:19) on the Sabbath, gathering on their own apart from the unbelieving Jews.

(more to come ...)

Red above, why is that a Sabby teaching, besides, they were under the law, we know that. Matt 24 is open to too much debate anyway, as far as the eschaton.

The verse is just talking about the troubles would be harder, if their "flight" is on the Sabbath. Why does he also say winter, was he promoting winter "obedience"? It would be harder to during winter, and on Sabby.

20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.

Also not, that the verse implies the flight, fleeing, MAY not be on the Sabbay, indicating a question about the timing.



More about the difficult flight, days cut short, hopefully not during winter, not on Sabbath, that was the context, not promoting Sabbath for the NT church.



. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

It was all about their flight...context, context, context..but yes, Jews under law then kept Sabbath, that is already known.


be back later...

 

[Frogster]

Q1. "Observing the Sabbath is not a 'New Testament Church' Practice"
A1. False. The early post-resurrection believers gathered on Sabbath (Jn 20:19, Acts 15:21, Acts 20:7) in obedience to the commandment.

Q2. "Messiah did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath"
A2. False. If He did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath, then He would not have commanded His end-time followers to pray earnestly that they can escape from tribulation disasters and that those disasters would not occur on the Sabbath (Mt 24:20).

Q3. "Sunday, the 'Lord's Day', has replaced the Saturday Sabbath"
A3. False. Nowhere in Scripture is it written that Sunday has now replaced Saturday Sabbath. In the fourth century A.D., three hundred years after the last Apostle died, The Roman Catholic Church, on the authority of its own traditions, were the ones who changed Saturday Sabbath observance into Sunday observance. (The Protestants have carried over this tradition into their churches, being offspring of the Roman Catholic Church.) This is admitted to by a bishop of the Roman Catholic Church:
"Catholic Bishop" confessed that they change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - YouTube

Q4. "Keeping the Sabbath means you are trying to keep the Law and observe things that are 'finished by Messiah', which means you've fallen from Grace!"
A4. False. If this is true, then none of the other 9 commandments should be observed. Also, if this is true, then neither Easter nor Christmas should be observed either, because you are observing things that have been 'finished by Messiah'.

Q5. "Messiah broke the Sabbath, thereby demonstrating to us that we can break it too"
A5. False. Messiah corrected the Pharisees' false assumptions about the Sabbath, and demonstrated the proper observance of it, which did not exclude healing or picking and eating food on the Sabbath. If Messiah did break the Sabbath, as some claim, then He committed sin (1Jn 3:4), no longer qualifies to be the Messiah, and is thus a false Messiah!

Q6. "Trying to keep the Sabbath is a burden"
A6. "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome." -1Jn 5:3 (RSV)

Q7. "What about all the 'first day of the week' references in the New Testament?"
A7. False translations. Let's take one example, John 20:19. In the Greek, it states that the disciples were assembled at evening on "μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων" (mia ton sabbaton)! Mia = one, ton = of the, sabbaton = Sabbaths. The disciples gathered on "one of the Sabbaths", not on the "first day of the week". "First" is not the same as "one", "Sabbath" is not "week", and there is no equivalent to the word "day" even found in the Greek.

Q8. "Sabbath observance is for the Jews only, not for believing Gentiles"
A8. False. Messiah commanded the exact same observances for believing Jews and believing Gentiles. He commanded His twelve Jewish apostles to go and teach the Gentiles to observe everything He taught them to observe (Mt 28:18-20). The Father, YHVH, held the same position regarding the Jews and Gentiles (Ex 12:49, Lev 7:7, Lev 24:22, Num 9:14, Num 15:15,6, Num 15:29, etc.).

Q9. "We shouldn't work on Sabbath, but it doesn't say anything about worshiping on Sabbath"
A9. False. Holy convocations are commanded for the Sabbath (Lev 23:3). The believing disciples observed this commandment (Jn 20:19) on the Sabbath, gathering on their own apart from the unbelieving Jews.

(more to come ...)

Red above, even an Aramaic translation calls it Sunday.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
1 Cor 16:2On every Sunday, let each person of you lay aside in his house and keep that which he can, so that when I come there will be no collections.

 

[Frogster]

Q1. "Observing the Sabbath is not a 'New Testament Church' Practice"
A1. False. The early post-resurrection believers gathered on Sabbath (Jn 20:19, Acts 15:21, Acts 20:7) in obedience to the commandment.

Q2. "Messiah did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath"
A2. False. If He did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath, then He would not have commanded His end-time followers to pray earnestly that they can escape from tribulation disasters and that those disasters would not occur on the Sabbath (Mt 24:20).

Q3. "Sunday, the 'Lord's Day', has replaced the Saturday Sabbath"
A3. False. Nowhere in Scripture is it written that Sunday has now replaced Saturday Sabbath. In the fourth century A.D., three hundred years after the last Apostle died, The Roman Catholic Church, on the authority of its own traditions, were the ones who changed Saturday Sabbath observance into Sunday observance. (The Protestants have carried over this tradition into their churches, being offspring of the Roman Catholic Church.) This is admitted to by a bishop of the Roman Catholic Church:

"Catholic Bishop" confessed that they change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - YouTube

Q4. "Keeping the Sabbath means you are trying to keep the Law and observe things that are 'finished by Messiah', which means you've fallen from Grace!"
A4. False. If this is true, then none of the other 9 commandments should be observed. Also, if this is true, then neither Easter nor Christmas should be observed either, because you are observing things that have been 'finished by Messiah'.
Q5. "Messiah broke the Sabbath, thereby demonstrating to us that we can break it too"
A5. False. Messiah corrected the Pharisees' false assumptions about the Sabbath, and demonstrated the proper observance of it, which did not exclude healing or picking and eating food on the Sabbath. If Messiah did break the Sabbath, as some claim, then He committed sin (1Jn 3:4), no longer qualifies to be the Messiah, and is thus a false Messiah!

Q6. "Trying to keep the Sabbath is a burden"
A6. "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome." -1Jn 5:3 (RSV)

Q7. "What about all the 'first day of the week' references in the New Testament?"
A7. False translations. Let's take one example, John 20:19. In the Greek, it states that the disciples were assembled at evening on "μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων" (mia ton sabbaton)! Mia = one, ton = of the, sabbaton = Sabbaths. The disciples gathered on "one of the Sabbaths", not on the "first day of the week". "First" is not the same as "one", "Sabbath" is not "week", and there is no equivalent to the word "day" even found in the Greek.

Q8. "Sabbath observance is for the Jews only, not for believing Gentiles"
A8. False. Messiah commanded the exact same observances for believing Jews and believing Gentiles. He commanded His twelve Jewish apostles to go and teach the Gentiles to observe everything He taught them to observe (Mt 28:18-20). The Father, YHVH, held the same position regarding the Jews and Gentiles (Ex 12:49, Lev 7:7, Lev 24:22, Num 9:14, Num 15:15,6, Num 15:29, etc.).

Q9. "We shouldn't work on Sabbath, but it doesn't say anything about worshiping on Sabbath"
A9. False. Holy convocations are commanded for the Sabbath (Lev 23:3). The believing disciples observed this commandment (Jn 20:19) on the Sabbath, gathering on their own apart from the unbelieving Jews.

(more to come ...)

red above, Paul said he wasted his time on them, if they got under the jewish calendar in Gal 4:10-11. Verse 12 confirms it, see it in the Amplified.


10 You observe [particular] days and months and seasons and years!

11 I am alarmed [about you], lest I have labored among and over you to no purpose and in vain.


12 Brethren, I beg of you, become as I am [free from the bondage of Jewish ritualism and ordinances], for I also have become as you are [[e]a Gentile]. You did me no wrong [[f]in the days when I first came to you; do not do it now].

 

[Frogster]

Q1. "Observing the Sabbath is not a 'New Testament Church' Practice"
A1. False. The early post-resurrection believers gathered on Sabbath (Jn 20:19, Acts 15:21, Acts 20:7) in obedience to the commandment.

Q2. "Messiah did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath"
A2. False. If He did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath, then He would not have commanded His end-time followers to pray earnestly that they can escape from tribulation disasters and that those disasters would not occur on the Sabbath (Mt 24:20).

Q3. "Sunday, the 'Lord's Day', has replaced the Saturday Sabbath"
A3. False. Nowhere in Scripture is it written that Sunday has now replaced Saturday Sabbath. In the fourth century A.D., three hundred years after the last Apostle died, The Roman Catholic Church, on the authority of its own traditions, were the ones who changed Saturday Sabbath observance into Sunday observance. (The Protestants have carried over this tradition into their churches, being offspring of the Roman Catholic Church.) This is admitted to by a bishop of the Roman Catholic Church:

"Catholic Bishop" confessed that they change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - YouTube

Q4. "Keeping the Sabbath means you are trying to keep the Law and observe things that are 'finished by Messiah', which means you've fallen from Grace!"
A4. False. If this is true, then none of the other 9 commandments should be observed. Also, if this is true, then neither Easter nor Christmas should be observed either, because you are observing things that have been 'finished by Messiah'.

Q5. "Messiah broke the Sabbath, thereby demonstrating to us that we can break it too"
A5. False. Messiah corrected the Pharisees' false assumptions about the Sabbath, and demonstrated the proper observance of it, which did not exclude healing or picking and eating food on the Sabbath. If Messiah did break the Sabbath, as some claim, then He committed sin (1Jn 3:4), no longer qualifies to be the Messiah, and is thus a false Messiah!Q6. "Trying to keep the Sabbath is a burden"
A6. "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome." -1Jn 5:3 (RSV)

Q7. "What about all the 'first day of the week' references in the New Testament?"
A7. False translations. Let's take one example, John 20:19. In the Greek, it states that the disciples were assembled at evening on "μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων" (mia ton sabbaton)! Mia = one, ton = of the, sabbaton = Sabbaths. The disciples gathered on "one of the Sabbaths", not on the "first day of the week". "First" is not the same as "one", "Sabbath" is not "week", and there is no equivalent to the word "day" even found in the Greek.

Q8. "Sabbath observance is for the Jews only, not for believing Gentiles"
A8. False. Messiah commanded the exact same observances for believing Jews and believing Gentiles. He commanded His twelve Jewish apostles to go and teach the Gentiles to observe everything He taught them to observe (Mt 28:18-20). The Father, YHVH, held the same position regarding the Jews and Gentiles (Ex 12:49, Lev 7:7, Lev 24:22, Num 9:14, Num 15:15,6, Num 15:29, etc.).

Q9. "We shouldn't work on Sabbath, but it doesn't say anything about worshiping on Sabbath"
A9. False. Holy convocations are commanded for the Sabbath (Lev 23:3). The believing disciples observed this commandment (Jn 20:19) on the Sabbath, gathering on their own apart from the unbelieving Jews.

(more to come ...)

red above, but he said it was unlawful for David to eat the bread, comparing His acts, with David's act.

 

[Frogster]

Q1. "Observing the Sabbath is not a 'New Testament Church' Practice"
A1. False. The early post-resurrection believers gathered on Sabbath (Jn 20:19, Acts 15:21, Acts 20:7) in obedience to the commandment.

Q2. "Messiah did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath"
A2. False. If He did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath, then He would not have commanded His end-time followers to pray earnestly that they can escape from tribulation disasters and that those disasters would not occur on the Sabbath (Mt 24:20).

Q3. "Sunday, the 'Lord's Day', has replaced the Saturday Sabbath"
A3. False. Nowhere in Scripture is it written that Sunday has now replaced Saturday Sabbath. In the fourth century A.D., three hundred years after the last Apostle died, The Roman Catholic Church, on the authority of its own traditions, were the ones who changed Saturday Sabbath observance into Sunday observance. (The Protestants have carried over this tradition into their churches, being offspring of the Roman Catholic Church.) This is admitted to by a bishop of the Roman Catholic Church:

"Catholic Bishop" confessed that they change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - YouTube

Q4. "Keeping the Sabbath means you are trying to keep the Law and observe things that are 'finished by Messiah', which means you've fallen from Grace!"
A4. False. If this is true, then none of the other 9 commandments should be observed. Also, if this is true, then neither Easter nor Christmas should be observed either, because you are observing things that have been 'finished by Messiah'.

Q5. "Messiah broke the Sabbath, thereby demonstrating to us that we can break it too"
A5. False. Messiah corrected the Pharisees' false assumptions about the Sabbath, and demonstrated the proper observance of it, which did not exclude healing or picking and eating food on the Sabbath. If Messiah did break the Sabbath, as some claim, then He committed sin (1Jn 3:4), no longer qualifies to be the Messiah, and is thus a false Messiah!

Q6. "Trying to keep the Sabbath is a burden"
A6. "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome." -1Jn 5:3 (RSV)
Q7. "What about all the 'first day of the week' references in the New Testament?"
A7. False translations. Let's take one example, John 20:19. In the Greek, it states that the disciples were assembled at evening on "μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων" (mia ton sabbaton)! Mia = one, ton = of the, sabbaton = Sabbaths. The disciples gathered on "one of the Sabbaths", not on the "first day of the week". "First" is not the same as "one", "Sabbath" is not "week", and there is no equivalent to the word "day" even found in the Greek.

Q8. "Sabbath observance is for the Jews only, not for believing Gentiles"
A8. False. Messiah commanded the exact same observances for believing Jews and believing Gentiles. He commanded His twelve Jewish apostles to go and teach the Gentiles to observe everything He taught them to observe (Mt 28:18-20). The Father, YHVH, held the same position regarding the Jews and Gentiles (Ex 12:49, Lev 7:7, Lev 24:22, Num 9:14, Num 15:15,6, Num 15:29, etc.).

Q9. "We shouldn't work on Sabbath, but it doesn't say anything about worshiping on Sabbath"
A9. False. Holy convocations are commanded for the Sabbath (Lev 23:3). The believing disciples observed this commandment (Jn 20:19) on the Sabbath, gathering on their own apart from the unbelieving Jews.

(more to come ...)

red above, it is a burden, the guy in numbers 15 got stoned for picking up sticks on it, no one can cook on it, and check out the burden wor here..





Look at what Jesus, Paul, Peter and James, said about the law. The law that James and Peter, did not want to burden the church with, as Peter called it a YOKE, in Acts 15. All agreeing with Paul, who in Galatians 2:4, said we did not let them enslave you with law.



Jesus..Rev 2:24 But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not learned what some call the deep things of Satan, to you I say, I do not lay on you any other burden.

James….same wordage as Jesus in Revelation.

Acts 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:


Peter..
Acts 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

Paul..
Galatians 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

James...don't trouble the church by putting the full Torah on them.


Acts 15:19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,

 

[Frogster]

Q1. "Observing the Sabbath is not a 'New Testament Church' Practice"
A1. False. The early post-resurrection believers gathered on Sabbath (Jn 20:19, Acts 15:21, Acts 20:7) in obedience to the commandment.

Q2. "Messiah did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath"
A2. False. If He did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath, then He would not have commanded His end-time followers to pray earnestly that they can escape from tribulation disasters and that those disasters would not occur on the Sabbath (Mt 24:20).

Q3. "Sunday, the 'Lord's Day', has replaced the Saturday Sabbath"
A3. False. Nowhere in Scripture is it written that Sunday has now replaced Saturday Sabbath. In the fourth century A.D., three hundred years after the last Apostle died, The Roman Catholic Church, on the authority of its own traditions, were the ones who changed Saturday Sabbath observance into Sunday observance. (The Protestants have carried over this tradition into their churches, being offspring of the Roman Catholic Church.) This is admitted to by a bishop of the Roman Catholic Church:

"Catholic Bishop" confessed that they change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - YouTube

Q4. "Keeping the Sabbath means you are trying to keep the Law and observe things that are 'finished by Messiah', which means you've fallen from Grace!"
A4. False. If this is true, then none of the other 9 commandments should be observed. Also, if this is true, then neither Easter nor Christmas should be observed either, because you are observing things that have been 'finished by Messiah'.

Q5. "Messiah broke the Sabbath, thereby demonstrating to us that we can break it too"
A5. False. Messiah corrected the Pharisees' false assumptions about the Sabbath, and demonstrated the proper observance of it, which did not exclude healing or picking and eating food on the Sabbath. If Messiah did break the Sabbath, as some claim, then He committed sin (1Jn 3:4), no longer qualifies to be the Messiah, and is thus a false Messiah!

Q6. "Trying to keep the Sabbath is a burden"
A6. "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome." -1Jn 5:3 (RSV)

Q7. "What about all the 'first day of the week' references in the New Testament?"
A7. False translations. Let's take one example, John 20:19. In the Greek, it states that the disciples were assembled at evening on "μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων" (mia ton sabbaton)! Mia = one, ton = of the, sabbaton = Sabbaths. The disciples gathered on "one of the Sabbaths", not on the "first day of the week". "First" is not the same as "one", "Sabbath" is not "week", and there is no equivalent to the word "day" even found in the Greek.

Q8. "Sabbath observance is for the Jews only, not for believing Gentiles"
A8. False. Messiah commanded the exact same observances for believing Jews and believing Gentiles. He commanded His twelve Jewish apostles to go and teach the Gentiles to observe everything He taught them to observe (Mt 28:18-20). The Father, YHVH, held the same position regarding the Jews and Gentiles (Ex 12:49, Lev 7:7, Lev 24:22, Num 9:14, Num 15:15,6, Num 15:29, etc.).
Q9. "We shouldn't work on Sabbath, but it doesn't say anything about worshiping on Sabbath"
A9. False. Holy convocations are commanded for the Sabbath (Lev 23:3). The believing disciples observed this commandment (Jn 20:19) on the Sabbath, gathering on their own apart from the unbelieving Jews.

(more to come ...)

red above, nope! it was for the Jews, look at all of thes glorious verses that prove it handily, the old cov, sabbath was not for gentiles,pre cross, or the church post cross..




Psalm 147:19 He declares his word to Jacob, his statutes and rules to Israel.20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation; (gentiles mine) they do not know his rules.
Praise the LORD!



2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the LORD my God and dedicate it to him for the burning of incense of sweet spices before him, and for the regular arrangement of the showbread, and for burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths and the new moons and the appointed feasts of the LORD our God, as ordained forever for Israel.


Same as Passover, which would be the same for Sabby. Is it of the Gentiles, or Jews?

John 2:13
The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

John 6:4
Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand.

John 11:55
Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and many went up from the country to Jerusalem before the Passover to purify themselves

Exodus 12:48
When a stranger sojourning with you wishes to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.

1 Cor 9:21 To those outside the law (gentiles mine) I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.


Rom 2:12 For all who have sinned without the law (gentiles mine)will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.


Deuteronomy5:3
Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.

Acts 14:16 In past generations he allowed all the nations (Gentiles) to walk in their own ways.

Acts 17:30 The times of ignorance (Gentiles) God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,

Peter said the ignorance word too, about gentiles, they were not under the law.

1 Peter 1:14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance,


Romans 9:4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises.

 

[Frogster]

Q1. "Observing the Sabbath is not a 'New Testament Church' Practice"
A1. False. The early post-resurrection believers gathered on Sabbath (Jn 20:19, Acts 15:21, Acts 20:7) in obedience to the commandment.

Q2. "Messiah did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath"
A2. False. If He did not expect His followers to observe Sabbath, then He would not have commanded His end-time followers to pray earnestly that they can escape from tribulation disasters and that those disasters would not occur on the Sabbath (Mt 24:20).

Q3. "Sunday, the 'Lord's Day', has replaced the Saturday Sabbath"
A3. False. Nowhere in Scripture is it written that Sunday has now replaced Saturday Sabbath. In the fourth century A.D., three hundred years after the last Apostle died, The Roman Catholic Church, on the authority of its own traditions, were the ones who changed Saturday Sabbath observance into Sunday observance. (The Protestants have carried over this tradition into their churches, being offspring of the Roman Catholic Church.) This is admitted to by a bishop of the Roman Catholic Church:

"Catholic Bishop" confessed that they change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - YouTube

Q4. "Keeping the Sabbath means you are trying to keep the Law and observe things that are 'finished by Messiah', which means you've fallen from Grace!"
A4. False. If this is true, then none of the other 9 commandments should be observed. Also, if this is true, then neither Easter nor Christmas should be observed either, because you are observing things that have been 'finished by Messiah'.

Q5. "Messiah broke the Sabbath, thereby demonstrating to us that we can break it too"
A5. False. Messiah corrected the Pharisees' false assumptions about the Sabbath, and demonstrated the proper observance of it, which did not exclude healing or picking and eating food on the Sabbath. If Messiah did break the Sabbath, as some claim, then He committed sin (1Jn 3:4), no longer qualifies to be the Messiah, and is thus a false Messiah!

Q6. "Trying to keep the Sabbath is a burden"
A6. "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome." -1Jn 5:3 (RSV)

Q7. "What about all the 'first day of the week' references in the New Testament?"
A7. False translations. Let's take one example, John 20:19. In the Greek, it states that the disciples were assembled at evening on "μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων" (mia ton sabbaton)! Mia = one, ton = of the, sabbaton = Sabbaths. The disciples gathered on "one of the Sabbaths", not on the "first day of the week". "First" is not the same as "one", "Sabbath" is not "week", and there is no equivalent to the word "day" even found in the Greek.

Q8. "Sabbath observance is for the Jews only, not for believing Gentiles"
A8. False. Messiah commanded the exact same observances for believing Jews and believing Gentiles. He commanded His twelve Jewish apostles to go and teach the Gentiles to observe everything He taught them to observe (Mt 28:18-20). The Father, YHVH, held the same position regarding the Jews and Gentiles (Ex 12:49, Lev 7:7, Lev 24:22, Num 9:14, Num 15:15,6, Num 15:29, etc.).

Q9. "We shouldn't work on Sabbath, but it doesn't say anything about worshiping on Sabbath"
A9. False. Holy convocations are commanded for the Sabbath (Lev 23:3). The believing disciples observed this commandment (Jn 20:19) on the Sabbath, gathering on their own apart from the unbelieving Jews.
(more to come ...)

red above, I covered 20:19, besides, after centuries of Moses, transition took time, look how years had to passs before acts 10, and peter learning, look how the 40 year testing time stood, until 70 AD, so at best you prove transitional confusion, and learn time was needed, and again, it was the time when they gathered, just like today, weekends. People worked,they had families, sothat was the established day to gather, and meet together. No big deal really.

 

[Frogster]

Actually, to be precise, I believe Paul taught both for and against observance of the Law, he being the "double minded man" which James wrote about.
Ignatius and Justin only hold authority over those who willingly consent to follow their traditions. This does not include me.

I don't know if Sunday worship and Easter celebrations began in the first year after the Resurrection. These observances are neither found in Torah nor in Messiah's instructions, and are, to me, forms of self-righteousness (as opposed to true righteousness).

In regards to my answers in the OP, I cannot speak nor am I speaking for the SDAs or any other group ... only for my own beliefs.

then James was double minded, he clearly says in Acts 21, no law for the gentiles, yet he wanted it for Jews, so Paul too sometimes became all things for both parties.

Then we have Peter and the rest of the Jewish Chrsitians living as gentiles in Antioch.

It would be best to become a contextualist, and also go by the history of the unfolding narrative, of the birth of the church, in this stressful transitional big decision making time, filled with all kinds of variables and condtitions in each church.