Commandments Question

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 22, 2019

Vicky gould said:
thank you for clearing it up.. You claim the Lord who came specifically to fulfill the Law men could not keep could not do so himself. So the Passover Lamb of God was blemished and therefore disqualified from being our Passover Lamb.

our Savior who cannot be Holy according to your claim because He could not, did not live a sinless life, fail at any part of the Law and fail at all the Law. Which parts of the Law did He not keep? I would be ashamed and at least embarrassed to make this claim before men and still claim to be a Christian. You, in mu opinion stand on very, very dangerous ground.. God bless.

Where did I say that? YOU say that because you do not have any understanding of the Law. Of course He led a sinless life. Sin is the transgression of the Law. What laws did He not keep? Why don't you read the Torah and find out...

My house is built on rock, not on sand so you need not worry that I am on dangerous ground.
SHALOM

Vicky gould · Sep 22, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Where did I say that? YOU say that because you do not have any understanding of the Law. Of course He led a sinless life. Sin is the transgression of the Law. What laws did He not keep? Why don't you read the Torah and find out...

My house is built on rock, not on sand so you need not worry that I am on dangerous ground.
SHALOM

No one could ever keep ALL of the commandments. It is impossible. The veil being ripped meant that we can each now come to The Father personally.

Vicky gould · Sep 22, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Where did I say that? YOU say that because you do not have any understanding of the Law. Of course He led a sinless life. Sin is the transgression of the Law. What laws did He not keep? Why don't you read the Torah and find out...

My house is built on rock, not on sand so you need not worry that I am on dangerous ground.
SHALOM

"Yeshua, nor anyone could keep the WHOLE of all the Laws...no blasphemy, just truth."

this is my favorite quote from your teaching. You are dangerously close to denying Him before men and I sure feel like He was denied by you, Using His Hebrew name is not gong to mitigate you if you keep teaching this all that will be left for you will be the Law but that's okay according to you, you walk in the Spirit and your poop doesn't stink like the rest of us. How good for you. Please reconsider the things you claim to be truth but are the deceptions of the Evil one rearmed by you with the Law Yeshua nailed to His cross.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 22, 2019

Vicky gould said:
No one could ever keep ALL of the commandments. It is impossible. The veil being ripped meant that we can each now come to The Father personally.

That's right, that is what I said...not what YOU said I said. NO ONE could keep ALL the Commandments and you would know that if you knew Torah.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 22, 2019

Vicky gould said:
"Yeshua, nor anyone could keep the WHOLE of all the Laws...no blasphemy, just truth."

this is my favorite quote from your teaching. You are dangerously close to denying Him before men and I sure feel like He was denied by you, Using His Hebrew name is not gong to mitigate you if you keep teaching this all that will be left for you will be the Law but that's okay according to you, you walk in the Spirit and your poop doesn't stink like the rest of us. How good for you. Please reconsider the things you claim to be truth but are the deceptions of the Evil one rearmed by you with the Law Yeshua nailed to His cross.

I am glad that is your favorite! It is the truth and you would know that if you knew Torah. It is very simple yet you can not see it...NO ONE can keep the WHOLE law...ALL of it. You are blinded by your hate of the law.
He became a curse for us, He was nailed to the cross, so the CURSE was nailed to the cross. I don't claim it is truth...it IS truth.

Vicky gould · Sep 22, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
I am glad that is your favorite! It is the truth and you would know that if you knew Torah. It is very simple yet you can not see it...NO ONE can keep the WHOLE law...ALL of it. You are blinded by your hate of the law.
He became a curse for us, He was nailed to the cross, so the CURSE was nailed to the cross. I don't claim it is truth...it IS truth.

Is the Christ holy, righteous and good. or just the law?

To be holy refers to a state of being set apart from defilement. The Hebrew word translated “holy” comes from a term meaning “separate.” Thus, what is holy is separated from common use, or held sacred, especially by virtue of its being clean and pure. God is holy to the supreme degree.

according to you Christ because He could not keep all the Law could not be holy.

Vicky gould · Sep 22, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
I am glad that is your favorite! It is the truth and you would know that if you knew Torah. It is very simple yet you can not see it...NO ONE can keep the WHOLE law...ALL of it. You are blinded by your hate of the law.
He became a curse for us, He was nailed to the cross, so the CURSE was nailed to the cross. I don't claim it is truth...it IS truth.

now that you have capitalized IS I am beginning to see your truth, the Law is you idol. You place the Law above the Lawgiver. How could the Father be well pleased in anyone or anything that sinned? What other things was the Lord unable to fulfill. By my hate for the Law is as ridiculous and untrue as a lot of your claims beginning but not limited to the sinning Messiah. By the way I cut and pasted two things you wrote verbatim from your post and you claim they were somehow distorted by me into a lie about what you said. Please show me the one or is it both cut and pastes that do not accurately reflect your message sent to me? I would like to correct the record if I did such a sinful thing as bearing false witness against you.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 22, 2019

Vicky gould said:
according to you Christ because He could not keep all the Law could not be holy.

I never said that...YOU said I said that. You say that because you do not understand the Torah

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 22, 2019

Vicky gould said:
now that you have capitalized IS I am beginning to see your truth, the Law is you idol. You place the Law above the Lawgiver. How could the Father be well pleased in anyone or anything that sinned? What other things was the Lord unable to fulfill. By my hate for the Law is as ridiculous and untrue as a lot of your claims beginning but not limited to the sinning Messiah. By the way I cut and pasted two things you wrote verbatim from your post and you claim they were somehow distorted by me into a lie about what you said. Please show me the one or is it both cut and pastes that do not accurately reflect your message sent to me? I would like to correct the record if I did such a sinful thing as bearing false witness against you.

You are antinomian...look up the definition. No, the law is not my "idol". I never said Yeshua did not fulfill it or that He sinned in any way. You said these things because you do not understand Torah.

klutedavid · Sep 22, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
I am glad that is your favorite! It is the truth and you would know that if you knew Torah. It is very simple yet you can not see it...NO ONE can keep the WHOLE law...ALL of it. You are blinded by your hate of the law.
He became a curse for us, He was nailed to the cross, so the CURSE was nailed to the cross. I don't claim it is truth...it IS truth.

The text states something different to your claim.

Colossians 2:14
Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The law, the decrees, were hostile to us.

The law condemns and anyone trying to obey the law is simply saying that they, are guilty and should be condemned.

Attempting to obey the law does not make you a good person. Rather you should be even more aware of your opposition to God and the law. A deep seated hatred of God and everything that is wholesome and good.

Vicky gould · Sep 22, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
You are antinomian...look up the definition. No, the law is not my "idol". I never said Yeshua did not fulfill it or that He sinned in any way. You said these things because you do not understand Torah.

ok here is your chance how did the Lord not fulfill the Law and yet not break it when He was tasked with fulfilling every jot and tittle. What part(s) was He allowed not to fulfill of Torah? Here again is what you never said cut and pasted from your text. Again please show me where I am bearing false witness I know I can show you where you are doing so about our Lord and myself. Whatever you do to the least you do to me He says, Here once again I present your words that you now are having such difficulty being confronted with. Here they are:

Vicky gould said: ↑
"Yeshua, nor anyone could keep the WHOLE of all the Laws...no blasphemy, just truth."

this is my favorite quote from your teaching. You are dangerously close to denying Him before men and I sure feel like He was denied by you, Using His Hebrew name is not gong to mitigate you if you keep teaching this all that will be left for you will be the Law but that's okay according to you, you walk in the Spirit and your poop doesn't stink like the rest of us. How good for you. Please reconsider the things you claim to be truth but are the deceptions of the Evil one rearmed by you with the Law Yeshua nailed to His cross.
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I am glad that is your favorite! It is the truth and you would know that if you knew Torah. It is very simple yet you can not see it...NO ONE can keep the WHOLE law...ALL of it. You are blinded by your hate of the law.
He became a curse for us, He was nailed to the cross, so the CURSE was nailed to the cross. I don't claim it is truth...it IS truth.

Vicky gould · Sep 22, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
I never said that...YOU said I said that. You say that because you do not understand the Torah

Vicky gould said: ↑
"Yeshua, nor anyone could keep the WHOLE of all the Laws...no blasphemy, just truth."

this is my favorite quote from your teaching. You are dangerously close to denying Him before men and I sure feel like He was denied by you, Using His Hebrew name is not gong to mitigate you if you keep teaching this all that will be left for you will be the Law but that's okay according to you, you walk in the Spirit and your poop doesn't stink like the rest of us. How good for you. Please reconsider the things you claim to be truth but are the deceptions of the Evil one rearmed by you with the Law Yeshua nailed to His cross.
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I am glad that is your favorite! It is the truth and you would know that if you knew Torah. It is very simple yet you can not see it...NO ONE can keep the WHOLE law...ALL of it. You are blinded by your hate of the law.
He became a curse for us, He was nailed to the cross, so the CURSE was nailed to the cross. I don't claim it is truth...it IS truth.

Vicky gould · Sep 23, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
I never said that...YOU said I said that. You say that because you do not understand the Torah

Don’t you ever get tired being wrong?seriously what you claim to believe is not good for you. I am praying

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 23, 2019

klutedavid said:
The text states something different to your claim.

Colossians 2:14
Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The law, the decrees, were hostile to us.

The law condemns and anyone trying to obey the law is simply saying that they, are guilty and should be condemned.

Attempting to obey the law does not make you a good person. Rather you should be even more aware of your opposition to God and the law. A deep seated hatred of God and everything that is wholesome and good.

Read it again. Of course since sin is the transgression of the law. So the DEBT, not the law, was nailed. He became a curse for us.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 23, 2019

Vicky gould said:
Don’t you ever get tired being wrong?seriously what you claim to believe is not good for you. I am praying

But I am not wrong...so I can't get tired of being wrong.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 23, 2019

Vicky gould said:
ok here is your chance how did the Lord not fulfill the Law and yet not break it when He was tasked with fulfilling every jot and tittle. What part(s) was He allowed not to fulfill of Torah?

You keep asking the same question but you can't understand something SOOOO simple because you are antinomian. Read the Torah and you will see. He was not "tasked" to fulfill every jot and tittle. So why do you teach others to break and not follow the commandments?

Yeshua said:
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.…

klutedavid · Sep 23, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Read it again. Of course since sin is the transgression of the law. So the DEBT, not the law, was nailed. He became a curse for us.

What was hostile to us?

How can the debt be hostile to us?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 23, 2019

klutedavid said:
What was hostile to us?

How can the debt be hostile to us?

Because you owe it...sin is the transgression of the law...the wages of sin is death, the curse...HE became a curse for us....the curse was nailed to the cross...

Ken Rank · Sep 23, 2019

Vicky gould said:
Ken your right my sources are not as good as you, From Matthew to John in The Revelation you top them all not one a 1st century Hebraic expert as you are. I have asked you for your teachers but they remain top secret maybe when I go to check my alerts it will be waiting, Do you think I a woman will be able to understand it? Oh I hope so. Commentators Ken come on your a big boy you can do it, By the way the rest of my sources begin with Noses and nd with Mal. I wonder why the Lord picked

That is not a very cool thing to say. I was being sincere when I asked for a source. What source? You claimed that being "dead to something" meant a teaching. So... where is your source? The bible doesn't make that claim, I figured you had an old Jewish reference where, to a Hebrew, that is what it meant. You don't, and since the bible doesn't make that claim, then being dead to something = teaching is your own personal belief. Just say so next time and can save some... time.

I am not replying to you again. Your tone to me isn't friendly, there is no reason to continue. I won't read a word of what you write, so save your own... time.

Peace.
Ken

Ken Rank · Sep 23, 2019

klutedavid said:
What was hostile to us?

How can the debt be hostile to us?

What is hostile to you is not "do not steal" or "do not lay with a man as you would a woman." What is hostile to you is death, and, eternal separation from God. This comes from a "guilty verdict" that thankfully, was nailed to the cross. That is what was nailed to the cross... our pronouncement of guilt, not God's instructions.

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