Col 2 does not condemn the Sabbath or Scripture

[BobRyan]

We all see TWO cycles in Is 66:23 - not just one and NO mention at all of "daily" in Is 66:23 as pointed out here - #18

That is the easy part.

Those who accept the Sabbath teaching found there - will not be hard at work trying to find ways not to see the word "Sabbath" in the text.

And of course there is 'exegesis' - Isaiah and his readers were in fact coming before God from Sabbath to Sabbath - to bow down and worship.

Irrefutable.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

While it is true that the Col 2:15-end section is about not "making stuff up" there is a section in Col 2:14 dealing with our "certificate of debt" a bible truth that prevents the efforts that were being made by some Christians groups to "make stuff up".


in Col 2:14 the thing that is against us is the "certificate of debt" NASB the debt owed by BOTH Jews AND gentiles - "the wages of sin is death" Romans 6 for BOTH Jews AND Gentiles- and sin is "transgression of the law" 1John 3:4 for BOTH Jews AND Gentiles - even in the NT. Gal 3 Christ became a curse "for us" -- our debt is being paid on the cross in the case of BOTH Jews AND Gentiles. Our debt is against us.

And in Col 2:14 that debt is nailed to the cross - paid in full.

 

[Cribstyl]

Why would you want to study Col 2 by denying what's written therein?



Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Paul makes it clear what baptism signifies........ I was dead in sins. Now my sins (as itemized in the law) are washed (blotted) away and nailed to His cross. No man should judge me by what I eat, drink or what day that I worship on.

These scriptures are not only about ceremonial ordinance being nailed to the cross. The handwriting of ordinances against us are what defines sin.

 

[BobRyan]

Why would you want to study Col 2 by denying what's written therein?

I don't think I would want to do that --

Col 2:4-23 points to the fact that the certificate of debt is paid and that we should not "make stuff up" that is not in the Bible as did the Jews in Mark 2 and Mark 7 and in Titus 1.

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

It is the "ticket" the "penalty" that the LAW demands that is nailed to the cross. NOT the LAW. For if the LAW is nailed to the cross then even the wicked" are not sinners" -- "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 by NT standards that is STILL the definition of sin.

Thus in Romans 3 and Galatians 3 when we are told that the world is STILL under condemnation - under sin - then the moral LAW is STILL in operation, still defining sin.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[listed]

We all see TWO cycles in Is 66:23 - not just one and NO mention at all of "daily" in Is 66:23 as pointed out here - #18

That is the easy part.

Those who accept the Sabbath teaching found there - will not be hard at work trying to find ways not to see the word "Sabbath" in the text.

And of course there is 'exegesis' - Isaiah and his readers were in fact coming before God from Sabbath to Sabbath - to bow down and worship.

Irrefutable.

in Christ,

Bob

Who says the word "Sabbath" does not appear in the text? How do you equate from ... to as on? Your verse says nothing about the Sabbath or the new moon. I concur that the verse is about cycles.

 

[listed]

While it is true that the Col 2:15-end section is about not "making stuff up" there is a section in Col 2:14 dealing with our "certificate of debt" a bible truth that prevents the efforts that were being made by some Christians groups to "make stuff up".


in Col 2:14 the thing that is against us is the "certificate of debt" NASB the debt owed by BOTH Jews AND gentiles - "the wages of sin is death" Romans 6 for BOTH Jews AND Gentiles- and sin is "transgression of the law" 1John 3:4 for BOTH Jews AND Gentiles - even in the NT. Gal 3 Christ became a curse "for us" -- our debt is being paid on the cross in the case of BOTH Jews AND Gentiles. Our debt is against us.

And in Col 2:14 that debt is nailed to the cross - paid in full.

And how did we incur that debt? Remember sin was before the law.

 

[listed]

I don't think I would want to do that --

Col 2:4-23 points to the fact that the certificate of debt is paid and that we should not "make stuff up" that is not in the Bible as did the Jews in Mark 2 and Mark 7 and in Titus 1.

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

It is the "ticket" the "penalty" that the LAW demands that is nailed to the cross. NOT the LAW. For if the LAW is nailed to the cross then even the wicked" are not sinners" -- "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 by NT standards that is STILL the definition of sin.

Thus in Romans 3 and Galatians 3 when we are told that the world is STILL under condemnation - under sin - then the moral LAW is STILL in operation, still defining sin.

in Christ,

Bob

Do not worry because you do not deceive us.

 

[BobRyan]

Those who embrace the Bible - look at the texts below and rejoice. I think we can agree on that.

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Col 2:4-23 points to the fact that the certificate of debt is paid and that we should not "make stuff up" that is not in the Bible as did the Jews in Mark 2 and Mark 7 and in Titus 1.

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

It is the "ticket" the "penalty" that the LAW demands that is nailed to the cross. NOT the LAW. For if the LAW is nailed to the cross then even the wicked" are not sinners" -- "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 by NT standards that is STILL the definition of sin.

Thus in Romans 3 and Galatians 3 when we are told that the world is STILL under condemnation - under sin - then the moral LAW is STILL in operation, still defining sin.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

you may want to read my paper on the topic.

 

[listed]

Those who embrace the Bible - look at the texts below and rejoice. I think we can agree on that.

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Col 2:4-23 points to the fact that the certificate of debt is paid and that we should not "make stuff up" that is not in the Bible as did the Jews in Mark 2 and Mark 7 and in Titus 1.

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

It is the "ticket" the "penalty" that the LAW demands that is nailed to the cross. NOT the LAW. For if the LAW is nailed to the cross then even the wicked" are not sinners" -- "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 by NT standards that is STILL the definition of sin.

Thus in Romans 3 and Galatians 3 when we are told that the world is STILL under condemnation - under sin - then the moral LAW is STILL in operation, still defining sin.

This post seems to be about deceiving and nothing about the major contention centered on v 16. So I ask who are those being warned about and why?

 

[listed]

Those who embrace the Bible - look at the texts below and rejoice. I think we can agree on that.

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Col 2:4-23 points to the fact that the certificate of debt is paid and that we should not "make stuff up" that is not in the Bible as did the Jews in Mark 2 and Mark 7 and in Titus 1.

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

It is the "ticket" the "penalty" that the LAW demands that is nailed to the cross. NOT the LAW. For if the LAW is nailed to the cross then even the wicked" are not sinners" -- "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 by NT standards that is STILL the definition of sin.

Thus in Romans 3 and Galatians 3 when we are told that the world is STILL under condemnation - under sin - then the moral LAW is STILL in operation, still defining sin.

What is this wiped out the handwriting of requirements?

 

[listed]

Those who embrace the Bible - look at the texts below and rejoice. I think we can agree on that.

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Col 2:4-23 points to the fact that the certificate of debt is paid and that we should not "make stuff up" that is not in the Bible as did the Jews in Mark 2 and Mark 7 and in Titus 1.

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

It is the "ticket" the "penalty" that the LAW demands that is nailed to the cross. NOT the LAW. For if the LAW is nailed to the cross then even the wicked" are not sinners" -- "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 by NT standards that is STILL the definition of sin.

Thus in Romans 3 and Galatians 3 when we are told that the world is STILL under condemnation - under sin - then the moral LAW is STILL in operation, still defining sin.

The emphasized aspect of this post are just incredible. Are requirements sin?

The last emphasis is really amazing considering the amended Sabbath and parts the law are required by the religious organization the poster aligns with. There is nothing in the New Testament requiring those things.

We have Rom 7:6 declaring we are delivered from the law. We do not find anywhere in the New Testament we are merely delivered from the punishment of the law. That is because we are delivered from the law. The jurisdiction of the law has passed according to Gal 3:19 and LK 16:16. That does not promote sin which was before the law according to Rom 5:13 and Gal 3:19.

 

[listed]

Those who embrace the Bible - look at the texts below and rejoice. I think we can agree on that.

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Col 2:4-23 points to the fact that the certificate of debt is paid and that we should not "make stuff up" that is not in the Bible as did the Jews in Mark 2 and Mark 7 and in Titus 1.

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

It is the "ticket" the "penalty" that the LAW demands that is nailed to the cross. NOT the LAW. For if the LAW is nailed to the cross then even the wicked" are not sinners" -- "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 by NT standards that is STILL the definition of sin.

Thus in Romans 3 and Galatians 3 when we are told that the world is STILL under condemnation - under sin - then the moral LAW is STILL in operation, still defining sin.

Why are others being condemned about their keeping of religious days and what they eat?

 

[listed]

Those who embrace the Bible - look at the texts below and rejoice. I think we can agree on that.

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Col 2:4-23 points to the fact that the certificate of debt is paid and that we should not "make stuff up" that is not in the Bible as did the Jews in Mark 2 and Mark 7 and in Titus 1.

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

It is the "ticket" the "penalty" that the LAW demands that is nailed to the cross. NOT the LAW. For if the LAW is nailed to the cross then even the wicked" are not sinners" -- "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 by NT standards that is STILL the definition of sin.

Thus in Romans 3 and Galatians 3 when we are told that the world is STILL under condemnation - under sin - then the moral LAW is STILL in operation, still defining sin.

Who is vainly puffed up in their fleshly mind?

 

[listed]

Those who embrace the Bible - look at the texts below and rejoice. I think we can agree on that.

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Col 2:4-23 points to the fact that the certificate of debt is paid and that we should not "make stuff up" that is not in the Bible as did the Jews in Mark 2 and Mark 7 and in Titus 1.

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

It is the "ticket" the "penalty" that the LAW demands that is nailed to the cross. NOT the LAW. For if the LAW is nailed to the cross then even the wicked" are not sinners" -- "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 by NT standards that is STILL the definition of sin.

Thus in Romans 3 and Galatians 3 when we are told that the world is STILL under condemnation - under sin - then the moral LAW is STILL in operation, still defining sin.

What is this self imposed religion?

 

[bugkiller]

What is this self imposed religion?

You ask some excellent questions. They brought up the points with no discussion about who the deceivers are or when they were deceiving and other issues. So I want to know if he is applying the passage to current day people.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

Yes the word Sabbath appears in both passages. And the purposes they for do not prove anything.

 

[listed]

Calling BobRyan.

 

[BobRyan]

QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68092712, member: 235244"]Those who embrace the Bible - look at the texts below and rejoice. I think we can agree on that.

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Col 2:4-23 points to the fact that the certificate of debt is paid and that we should not "make stuff up" that is not in the Bible as did the Jews in Mark 2 and Mark 7 and in Titus 1.

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

It is the "ticket" the "penalty" that the LAW demands that is nailed to the cross. NOT the LAW. For if the LAW is nailed to the cross then even the wicked" are not sinners" -- "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 by NT standards that is STILL the definition of sin.

Thus in Romans 3 and Galatians 3 when we are told that the world is STILL under condemnation - under sin - then the moral LAW is STILL in operation, still defining sin.[/QUOTE]

The emphasized aspect of this post are just incredible.

Thanks - but it was primarily the Bible that is in that post - so I cannot take all the credit.

Are requirements sin?

What are you addressing in those texts? not sure what you mean.

The last emphasis is really amazing considering the amended Sabbath

Where is "Amended Sabbath" in the Col 2 text??

and parts the law are required by the religious organization the poster aligns with. There is nothing in the New Testament requiring those things.

Col 2 is not a statement about deleting scripture. The NT repeated states that the NT is to be included as "scripture".

We have Rom 7:6 declaring we are delivered from the law.

The moral law of Romans 3 and Romans 7 includes "Love God with all your heart" and "Love your neighbor as yourself".

All the moral law defines sin and places fallen mankind under condemnation and in need of salvation.

But for the saved saint - it is "written on the mind and on the heart" Heb 8.

We do not find anywhere in the New Testament we are merely delivered from the punishment of the law.

Until we read Romans 3, Gal 3, Romans 2:13-16 etc.

1Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

That is because we are delivered from the law.

"Do we make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31

so live and act as those who ARE to be judged by the Law of Liberty - James 2.

Sin exists after the cross -- see Romans 3, Gal 3.

1 John 3:4 sin STILL IS transgression of the Law.

1 John 2:1 "These things I write to you that you sin NOT - but if anyone does sin we have an advocate..."

Romans 6 "what then shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? God forbid!"

Rom 8:5-8 the lost do not submit to God's Law neither indeed can they -- by contrast to the saved who are not at war with God according to the text.

The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

in Christ,

Bob

 

[bugkiller]

QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68092712, member: 235244"]Those who embrace the Bible - look at the texts below and rejoice. I think we can agree on that.

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Col 2:4-23 points to the fact that the certificate of debt is paid and that we should not "make stuff up" that is not in the Bible as did the Jews in Mark 2 and Mark 7 and in Titus 1.

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

It is the "ticket" the "penalty" that the LAW demands that is nailed to the cross. NOT the LAW. For if the LAW is nailed to the cross then even the wicked" are not sinners" -- "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 by NT standards that is STILL the definition of sin.

Thus in Romans 3 and Galatians 3 when we are told that the world is STILL under condemnation - under sin - then the moral LAW is STILL in operation, still defining sin.

Thanks - but it was primarily the Bible that is in that post - so I cannot take all the credit.



What are you addressing in those texts? not sure what you mean.




Where is "Amended Sabbath" in the Col 2 text??



Col 2 is not a statement about deleting scripture. The NT repeated states that the NT is to be included as "scripture".



The moral law of Romans 3 and Romans 7 includes "Love God with all your heart" and "Love your neighbor as yourself".

All the moral law defines sin and places fallen mankind under condemnation and in need of salvation.

But for the saved saint - it is "written on the mind and on the heart" Heb 8.



Until we read Romans 3, Gal 3, Romans 2:13-16 etc.

1Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"



"Do we make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31

so live and act as those who ARE to be judged by the Law of Liberty - James 2.

Sin exists after the cross -- see Romans 3, Gal 3.

1 John 3:4 sin STILL IS transgression of the Law.

1 John 2:1 "These things I write to you that you sin NOT - but if anyone does sin we have an advocate..."

Romans 6 "what then shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? God forbid!"

Rom 8:5-8 the lost do not submit to God's Law neither indeed can they -- by contrast to the saved who are not at war with God according to the text.

The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

in Christ,

Bob

Awesome dance. Now would you mind addressing listed's questions and use complete sentence quotes showing what he said instead of misrepresenting him. You did make a big issue out of deception.

bugkiller