Col 2:16 is about not judging others

[Joelthe vicious]

Yes, it would be quite confusing for your followers to see that Christ appeared to His disciples on that wicked first day of the week or that Paul preached on that same wicked day.

Also, make sure none of your followers know that the Jewish Sabbath begins at Sundown.
We would not want to confuse them with wicked perversions of the truth.

Ellen G. White would be very proud of your efforts here.


Ellen G. White and the Shut Door Question

Is the door shut or open?

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Cheap, very cheap and unsavoury attempt, at sarcasm.

 

[Joelthe vicious]

Are you SDA? Your profile could say so if you are.

Does this sound to you like I am SDA?...
It's the Sabbath being
sin Christ died unto,
or the Sabbath He ROSE from the dead on and
ever LIVETH being LORD OF.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Obviously you are not sure of what you said yourself, lady. In the one place you insist on "the day after the sabbath" of the passover must be the day after the only Seventh Day Sabbath of the week; in the next place you 'use' Tyndale who wrote "sabbaths" more than one supposedly to mean 'the day after every week on Saturday'. (And you, coloured it red?) Is it the day after the one day of the week, the Seventh Day Sabbath of the week, or is it more than one days after some more than one 'sabbaths' -- 'sabbaths' of the week, or, of what? It can't be both because it was just "the day (singular) after the sabbath"!

Sorry, I give up on your understanding anything I say. You are going on ignore.

 

[BABerean2]

Cheap, very cheap and unsavoury, sarcasm.

Luk_6:41 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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[BobRyan]

so then back to the topic of the thread

Page "one" we find this.

In Rev 12 we see the work of the "Accuser of the brethren".

In Matt 7 (pre-cross -- and law in full effect) Christ condemns judging others.

In Col 2:16 we have this -

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


An example of NOT condemning eating OR drinking or remembering God's Ten-Commandment creation-Sabbath day to keep it holy. Rather Col 2 condemns the "commandments of men" - (as is so carefully avoided in the quotes we often see from Col 2)


Col 2 is 0pposed to making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with you, even if that invented rule is related to a Bible command. - so it is opposed to 'making stuff up' - via "man-made tradition"

As is Christ against it --

GOD speaks for God and HE already spoke to this point of changing His Law via church tradition. As we see in Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it is shown via "Sola Scriptura" testing that it is traditions and "doctrines of men" that are at odds with scripture

And this also on Page "One"

And did you read the 1050 commands found in the NT??

And... "who puts the limit on God"???

As for Col 2 -- condemning the traditions and doctrines of man - and upholding the Word of God --

Col 2 is opposed to making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with you, even if that invented rule is related to a Bible command.

But Col 2 is not an attempt by Paul to delete the scriptures. Rather Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.


Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)

Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)

Don't miss it.

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Col 2 is opposed to making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with you, even if that invented rule is related to a Bible command.

But Col 2 is not an attempt by Paul to delete the scriptures. Rather Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.


Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)

Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)

 

[Joelthe vicious]

back to a dead end

 

[BABerean2]

back to a dead end

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

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[Bob S]

Col 2 is about not judging others, so the OP reads. Read the following: It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}

But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

Would this be portrayed as Judging???

If Paul was referring to not judging whether we do or do not observe the laws given only to Israel then why would the prophet write what she did about condemning me and all who do not flock into some Saturday observing church? Oh yes, not all Sabbath keeping churches are the remnant, only one. Must we have to find ourselves in attendance there in order to be saved?

I wonder why those thing are now called "shadows" and Jesus is "reality" rather than if we are observant or not observant? 19 "These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

As Jesus Prays: Let THY WILL BE DONE (TODAY) , on earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN>

i.e. perfect in line with all YHVH'S WORD now, today.

 

[BobRyan]

so then back to the topic of the thread

Page "one" we find this.
And this also on Page "One"
Don't miss it.

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Col 2 is opposed to making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with you, even if that invented rule is related to a Bible command.

But Col 2 is not an attempt by Paul to delete the scriptures. Rather Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)

Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)

back to a dead end

Those opposed to those Bible texts - will always view them as a "dead end"

Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)

Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)

 

[BobRyan]

Col 2 is about not judging others

That part is actually true.

 

[1stcenturylady]

That part is actually true.

Col 2 is about not judging others, so the OP reads. Read the following: It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}

But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

@BobRyan
Please answer these. Do you believe the SDA view as written in BobS quote?

 

[BobRyan]

Col 2 is about not judging others, so the OP reads. Read the following: It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}

But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

@BobRyan
Please answer these. Do you believe the SDA view as written in BobS quote?

I believe almost nothing Bob S posts -- that is pretty much a general rule.

Not saying he "could not" post an accurate statement - just saying I have not found very many.

 

[Bob S]

I believe almost nothing Bob S posts -- that is pretty much a general rule.

Not saying he "could not" post an accurate statement - just saying I have not found very many.

Why not for once in your life answer the question.

 

[Bob S]

That part is actually true.

Taking a part of a sentence out of context is very poor debating and tell us much.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I believe almost nothing Bob S posts -- that is pretty much a general rule.

Not saying he "could not" post an accurate statement - just saying I have not found very many.

He was quoting SDA literature and books.

 

[Joelthe vicious]

Those opposed to those Bible texts - will always view them as a "dead end"

Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)

Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)

...insinuating Colossians 2:12-19 actually is the same as verses 20-23. Well, why don't you, take the equation seriously?

Paul regarded the CONTRAST seriously!

 

[Joelthe vicious]

Those opposed to those Bible texts - will always view them as a "dead end"

I don't view 'them' -- 'those Bible texts', a 'dead end'. I view YOUR conclusions as a dead end to any Scripture.

 

[Joelthe vicious]

19 "These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."

One word altered, from the Present to the Past Tense, and behold, this is what you get-- exactly what YOU, want; not the reality.

 

[Bob S]

One word altered, from the Present to the Past Tense, and behold, this is what you get-- exactly what YOU, want; not the reality.

17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. You were critical of the wrong thing my friend. The only thing I got wrong was the verse. NIV Nice try. What is your purpose?