Circumcision

[Dkh587]

Not quite; but these are the guys who won.



Which James pulled right from the TORAH, and qualified it with the TORAH being read every SABBATH.

Can't get past the FACTS.

The doctrine on here can get very confusing.

On one hand, people tell us that Gentiles are responsible for keeping 4 commandments, yet they tell us we only have 2 commandments, which is what Christ taught: loving God and loving our neighbor as ourselves.

then they tell us we only have 1 commandment: 1 John 3:23

is it 4? is it 2? Is it 6? Is it 1? 7?

 

[Jan001]

FAIL: Fellowship and hearing Moses read are two different things; and they have nothing to do with some snobby Egyptian 800 years before.

So you believe that the uncircumcised Gentiles were congregating very near the synagogues' outside walls in order to hear the readings of Moses on every Sabbath through the synagogue's walls and windows? I think that would not go over well with the Jews. The Jews had a deeply ingrained concern about cleanliness and uncleanliness and so I think that uncircumcised Gentiles loitering near the synagogues would not be acceptable to the Jews.

 

[HARK!]

The doctrine on here can get very confusing.

On one hand, people tell us that Gentiles are responsible for keeping 4 commandments, yet they tell us we only have 2 commandments, which is what Christ taught: loving God and loving our neighbor as ourselves.

then they tell us we only have 1 commandment: 1 John 3:23

is it 4? is it 2? Is it 6? Is it 1? 7?

Don't forget about the abomination of homo shrimp.

 

[HARK!]

So you believe that the uncircumcised Gentiles were congregating very near the synagogues'

(CLV) Ac 18:4
Now he argued in the synagogue on every sabbath and persuaded both Jews and Greeks

Acts 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

 

[Jan001]

Let's see your proof that makes James out to be talking nonsense. I won't hold my breath for this one.

Your interpretation of Acts 15 is not the interpretation of Acts 15 that has been taught by the Church for 2000 years.

Why do you believe that you interpret the Scriptures correctly even though millions and millions of Christians do not agree with you?

 

[Jan001]

(CLV) Ac 18:4
Now he argued in the synagogue on every sabbath and persuaded both Jews and Greeks

Acts 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Perhaps you missed what I said in a previous post. Uncircumcised Gentiles were not allowed into the synagogues. That is why Timothy needed to be circumcised in order to accompany Paul into the synagogues.

Circumcised Gentiles were allowed into the synagogues.

Acts 15 concerns uncircumcised Gentiles only and they were not allowed into the synagogues 2000 years ago. If uncircumcised Gentiles had been allowed into the synagogues, Timothy would not have had any reason to become circumcised.

Gentile Christians were commanded to not become circumcised.

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision.

 

[HARK!]

Your interpretation of Acts 15 is not the interpretation of Acts 15 that has been taught by the Church for 2000 years.

Why do you believe that you interpret the Scriptures correctly even though millions and millions of Christians do not agree with you?

Why must we be circumcised?
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[HARK!]

Perhaps you missed what I said in a previous post. Uncircumcised Gentiles were not allowed into the synagogues.

..and you've still provided no proof for this bare assertion fallacy.

I can guess why not.

 

[HARK!]

Gentile Christians were commanded to not become circumcised.

(CLV) Ro 2:25
For circumcision, indeed, is benefiting if you should be putting law into practice, yet if you should be a transgressor of law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

Paul circumcised Timothy.

 

[Jan001]

I stopped reading here; because I didn't see the point in continuing to hear your argument based on a faulty premise.

The circumcision party, who didn't keep the Torah, was arguing that you must be circumcised to be saved. They lost. The Believers, who keep the Torah, along with the Apostles, were arguing that you must be circumcised keep the law. They won.

I read the story very carefully; and the Kadosh scripture debunks the false doctrine. That's why I started this thread.

The circumcision party did indeed keep the Torah. That is why they insisted that the Gentile converts become circumcised and keep the Torah.

Acts 15:5-6
But some believers who belonged to the sect of the Pharisees stood up and said, “It is necessary for them (Gentiles) to be circumcised and ordered to keep the law of Moses.” 6 The apostles and the elders met together to consider this matter.

What was the decision of the Jerusalem Council for the Gentiles concerning this matter about circumcision and the Law of Moses?

24 Since we have heard that certain persons (Christian believers who were also Pharisees Jews) who have gone out from us, though with no instructions from us, have said things to disturb you (Gentiles) and have unsettled your minds, 25 we have decided unanimously to choose representatives and send them to you, along with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to impose on you (Gentiles) no further burden than these essentials: 29 that you (Gentiles) abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication. If you (Gentiles) keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

It is plain to see that for Gentile believers only the following four things are required:

1. Abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols
2. Abstain from blood
3. Abstain from what is strangled
4. Abstain from fornication

Please note that keeping the sabbath, becoming circumcised, and following the kosher dietary laws, etc. of the Law of Moses are not listed as requirements for Gentile Christians.

So, why do YOU insist that Christians be circumcised and follow the Law of Moses?

 

[Jan001]

The doctrine on here can get very confusing.

On one hand, people tell us that Gentiles are responsible for keeping 4 commandments, yet they tell us we only have 2 commandments, which is what Christ taught: loving God and loving our neighbor as ourselves.

then they tell us we only have 1 commandment: 1 John 3:23

is it 4? is it 2? Is it 6? Is it 1? 7?

4 commandments from the written Law of Moses were necessary for the early Gentile converts. Acts 15:28-29

2 commandments from the "spirit" of the written Law of Moses are necessary for the early Christian Gentiles and the Christian Jews. Luke 10:25-27

1 commandment for all Christians, which is actually two commandments in one. To believe in Jesus Christ requires obedience to His commandments.

1 John 3:23-24
And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24 All who obey his commandments abide in him, and he abides in them. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit that he has given us.

Luke 6:46
Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I tell you?

Matthew 7:22-23
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.’

Luke 13:25-28
When once the owner of the house has got up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then in reply he will say to you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will say, ‘I do not know where you come from; go away from me, all you evildoers!’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrown out.

 

[Jan001]

(CLV) Ro 2:25
For circumcision, indeed, is benefiting if you should be putting law into practice, yet if you should be a transgressor of law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

In other words:
Circumcision was beneficial to a Jew if he kept the whole law of Moses. Unfortunately, if a Jew transgressed some part of the law of Moses, he was then no better than an uncircumcised Gentile! Acts 7:51

Paul circumcised Timothy.

Yes, Paul did circumcise Timothy because Paul wanted the Greek Timothy to accompany him into the synagogues. Uncircumcised Gentiles were not allowed into the Jewish synagogues.

Paul preached to circumcised Gentiles in the Jewish synagogues. Paul did not preach to uncircumcised Gentiles in the synagogues because uncircumcised Gentiles were not allowed into the Jewish synagogues.

What is this yoke that Peter is speaking about in the following:

Acts 15:10
Now therefore why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear?

 

[Thera]

Why must we be circumcised?
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   To keep the law.
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It was a loaded question. "Do you still beat your wife?" You can't answer the question without implying that you once beat your wife, even if you never did.

Circumcision was required of males in order for them to keep the law. It was not required for salvation. But any failing in any regard to any aspect of the law meant that it was not kept. Jesus was the only one who kept all of the law, and He fulfilled it.

 

[Der Alte]

(CLV) Ac 18:4
Now he argued in the synagogue on every sabbath and persuaded both Jews and Greeks
Acts 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Why did the gentiles have to wait until the Jews came out of the synagogue? A: Because they were not permitted in the synagogues.
Why did they ask Paul to preach the same words to them the next Sabbath? Why didn't they just wait until the next Sabbath, go to the synagogue and hear it along with the Jews? A: Because they were not permitted in the synagogue.
This Jews allowing gentiles in their synagogues. Note Gamaliel who was Paul's tutor is listed here twice.

Jewish Encyclopia-Gentiles
Gentiles May Not Be Taught the Torah.
Inasmuch as the Jews had their own distinct jurisdiction, it would have been unwise to reveal their laws to the Gentiles, for such knowledge might have operated against the Jews in their opponents' courts. Hence the Talmud prohibited the teaching to a Gentile of the Torah, "the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob" (Deut. xxxiii. 4). R. Johanan says of one so teaching: "Such a person deserves death" (an idiom used to express indignation). "It is like placing an obstacle before the blind" (Sanh. 59a; Ḥag. 13a). …
Resh Lakish (d. 278) said, "A Gentile observing the Sabbath deserves death" (Sanh. 58b). This refers to a Gentile who accepted the seven laws of the Noachidæ, inasmuch as "the Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone," ... Rabbina, who lived about 150 years after the Christians had changed the day of rest to Sunday, could not quite understand the principle underlying Resh Lakish's law, and, commenting upon it, added: "not even on Mondays [is the Gentile allowed to rest]"; intimating that the mandate given to the Noachidæ that "day and night shall not cease" ((Heb.)Lo yshabti = "have no rest ") should be taken in a literal sense (Gen. viii. 22)—probably to discourage general idleness
"The Torah outlawed the issue of a Gentile as that of a beast" (Miḳ. viii. 4, referring to Ezek. l.c.)
Johanan bar Nappaḥa … the Torah was given as a heritage to Israel, a non-Israelite deserves death if he studies it [Torah](Sanh. 59a).
Gamaliel [Paul's tutor Acts 22:3] also expresses himself to the same effect, adding that the Gentiles, by their impure motive, incur the penalty of Gehenna. Eleazar of Modi'im sides with him, saying that "the Gentiles practice benevolence merely to taunt Israel."
Eliezer b. Hyrcanus is …, the mind of every non-Jew is always intent upon idolatry (Giṭ. 45b). The cattle of a heathen is unfit for sacrifices ('Ab. Zarah 23b). Explaining Prov. xiv. 34, he maintains that the non-Jews only practise charity in order to make for themselves a name (B. B. 10b; Pesiḳ. 12b; Gamaliel [Paul's tutor Acts 22:3] is credited with the same opinion in B. B. 10b).
Joshua b. Hananiah, … as a rule Gentiles cling to vain things and are rejected (Prov. xxviii. 19; Gen. R. lxxxii.).
Eleazar of Modi'im, in reference to Micah iv. 5, explains that Israel, though guilty of the same sins as the Gentiles, will not enter hell, while the Gentiles will (Cant. R. ii. 1). .. On the whole, he is very bitter in his condemnations of the heathen. "They profit by their deeds of love and benevolence to slander Israel" (referring to Jer. xl. 3;B. B. 10a).
Among Akiba's disciples Tarphon is noted for his antipathy to the Judæo-Christians, whose books he would burn without regard for the name of God occurring therein, preferring the temple of idolaters to them (Shab. 116a).
Simon ben Yoḥai is preeminently the anti-Gentile teacher. In a collection of three sayings of his, beginning with the keyword (Heb.) Shob (Yer. Ḳid. 66c; Massek. Soferim xv. 10; Mek., Beshal-laḥ, 27a; Tan., Wayera, ed. Buber, 20), is found the expression, often quoted by anti-Semites, "Ṭob shebe-goyyim harog" (="The best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed").
On the basis of Hab. iii. 6, Simon b. Yohai argued that, of all the nations, Israel alone was worthy to receive the Law (Lev. R. xiii.). The Gentiles, according to him, would not observe the seven laws given to the Noachidae (Tosef., Soṭah, viii. 7; Soṭah 35b), though the Law was written on the altar (Deut. xxvi. 8) in the seventy languages. Hence, while Israel is like the patient ass, the Gentiles resemble the easy-going, selfish dog (Lev. R. xiii.; Sifre, Deut., Wezot ha-Berakah, 343).
Judah ben 'Illai recommends the daily recital of the benediction. "Blessed be Thou . . . who hast not made me a goi[gentile]" (Tosef., Ber. vii. 18: Men. 43b, sometimes ascribed to Meir; see Weiss, "Dor," ii. 137). Judah is confident that the heathen (Gentiles) will ultimately come to shame (Isa. lxvi. 5; B. M. 33b).The Gentiles took copies of the Torah, and yet did not accept it (Soṭah 35b).
Eliezer, the son of Jose the Galilean, calls the Gentiles poor "goyyim dawim," because they would not accept the Torah (Mek., Yitro. 62a), referring to Hab. iii. 6 and Ps. cxlvii. 20
Josiah holds that every idolatrous heathen is an enemy of Israel (Mek., Mishpaṭim, 99a).
Jonathan insists that eclipses are of bad augury for Gentiles only, according to Jer. x. 2 (Mek., Bo, 19b).
Simon ben Jose likens Israel to a stone, and the Gentiles to a potsherd (Isa. xxx. 14), applying the proverb: "If the stone falls on the pot, wo to the pot; if the pot falls on the stone, wo to the pot." This he offered as a consolation to persecuted Israel (Esther R. iii. 6).
Hezekiah b. Hiyya deduces from II Kings xx. 18 that he who shows hospitality to a heathen brings the penalty of exile upon his own children (Sanh. 104a).
Johanan bar Nappaḥa … lays stress on the fact that God offered the Law to all nations, who refused to accept it ('Ab. Zarah 2b); therefore while the virus of lust that the serpent injected into Eve was neutralized in Israel, the "nations of the world" still have it in their blood (Shab. 145b; Yeb. 103b; 'Ab. Zarah 22b)…. the Torah was given as a heritage to Israel, a non-Israelite deserves death if he studies it (Sanh. 59a).
Assi is the author of the injunction not to instruct the Gentile in the Torah (Ḥag. 13a).
Tanhuma …likens the nations to wolves and Israel to a lamb (Pesiḳ. R. ix. [ed. Friedmann, p.32a]).
The seven nations in the Holy Land were to be exterminated for fear they might teach the Israelite conquerors idolatry and immoral practises (Deut. vii. 1-6, xviii. 9-14, xx. 16-18);
The Gentiles were so strongly suspected of unnatural crimes that it was necessary to prohibit the stabling of a cow in their stalls ('Ab. Zarah ii. 1).
GENTILE - JewishEncyclopedia.com​

 

[HARK!]

Why did the gentiles have to wait until the Jews came out of the synagogue?

Why do you make that assumption?

 

[HARK!]

A: Because they were not permitted in the synagogues.

Nonsense.

(CLV) Ac 18:4
Now he argued in the synagogue on every sabbath and persuaded both Jews and Greeks

 

[Jan001]

Why did the gentiles have to wait until the Jews came out of the synagogue? A: Because they were not permitted in the synagogues.
Why did they ask Paul to preach the same words to them the next Sabbath? Why didn't they just wait until the next Sabbath, go to the synagogue and hear it along with the Jews? A: Because they were not permitted in the synagogue.
This Jews allowing gentiles in their synagogues. Note Gamaliel who was Paul's tutor is listed here twice.

Jewish Encyclopia-Gentiles
Gentiles May Not Be Taught the Torah.
Inasmuch as the Jews had their own distinct jurisdiction, it would have been unwise to reveal their laws to the Gentiles, for such knowledge might have operated against the Jews in their opponents' courts. Hence the Talmud prohibited the teaching to a Gentile of the Torah, "the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob" (Deut. xxxiii. 4). R. Johanan says of one so teaching: "Such a person deserves death" (an idiom used to express indignation). "It is like placing an obstacle before the blind" (Sanh. 59a; Ḥag. 13a). …
Resh Lakish (d. 278) said, "A Gentile observing the Sabbath deserves death" (Sanh. 58b). This refers to a Gentile who accepted the seven laws of the Noachidæ, inasmuch as "the Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone," ... Rabbina, who lived about 150 years after the Christians had changed the day of rest to Sunday, could not quite understand the principle underlying Resh Lakish's law, and, commenting upon it, added: "not even on Mondays [is the Gentile allowed to rest]"; intimating that the mandate given to the Noachidæ that "day and night shall not cease" ((Heb.)Lo yshabti = "have no rest ") should be taken in a literal sense (Gen. viii. 22)—probably to discourage general idleness
"The Torah outlawed the issue of a Gentile as that of a beast" (Miḳ. viii. 4, referring to Ezek. l.c.)
Johanan bar Nappaḥa … the Torah was given as a heritage to Israel, a non-Israelite deserves death if he studies it [Torah](Sanh. 59a).
Gamaliel [Paul's tutor Acts 22:3] also expresses himself to the same effect, adding that the Gentiles, by their impure motive, incur the penalty of Gehenna. Eleazar of Modi'im sides with him, saying that "the Gentiles practice benevolence merely to taunt Israel."
Eliezer b. Hyrcanus is …, the mind of every non-Jew is always intent upon idolatry (Giṭ. 45b). The cattle of a heathen is unfit for sacrifices ('Ab. Zarah 23b). Explaining Prov. xiv. 34, he maintains that the non-Jews only practise charity in order to make for themselves a name (B. B. 10b; Pesiḳ. 12b; Gamaliel [Paul's tutor Acts 22:3] is credited with the same opinion in B. B. 10b).
Joshua b. Hananiah, … as a rule Gentiles cling to vain things and are rejected (Prov. xxviii. 19; Gen. R. lxxxii.).
Eleazar of Modi'im, in reference to Micah iv. 5, explains that Israel, though guilty of the same sins as the Gentiles, will not enter hell, while the Gentiles will (Cant. R. ii. 1). .. On the whole, he is very bitter in his condemnations of the heathen. "They profit by their deeds of love and benevolence to slander Israel" (referring to Jer. xl. 3;B. B. 10a).
Among Akiba's disciples Tarphon is noted for his antipathy to the Judæo-Christians, whose books he would burn without regard for the name of God occurring therein, preferring the temple of idolaters to them (Shab. 116a).
Simon ben Yoḥai is preeminently the anti-Gentile teacher. In a collection of three sayings of his, beginning with the keyword (Heb.) Shob (Yer. Ḳid. 66c; Massek. Soferim xv. 10; Mek., Beshal-laḥ, 27a; Tan., Wayera, ed. Buber, 20), is found the expression, often quoted by anti-Semites, "Ṭob shebe-goyyim harog" (="The best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed").
On the basis of Hab. iii. 6, Simon b. Yohai argued that, of all the nations, Israel alone was worthy to receive the Law (Lev. R. xiii.). The Gentiles, according to him, would not observe the seven laws given to the Noachidae (Tosef., Soṭah, viii. 7; Soṭah 35b), though the Law was written on the altar (Deut. xxvi. 8) in the seventy languages. Hence, while Israel is like the patient ass, the Gentiles resemble the easy-going, selfish dog (Lev. R. xiii.; Sifre, Deut., Wezot ha-Berakah, 343).
Judah ben 'Illai recommends the daily recital of the benediction. "Blessed be Thou . . . who hast not made me a goi[gentile]" (Tosef., Ber. vii. 18: Men. 43b, sometimes ascribed to Meir; see Weiss, "Dor," ii. 137). Judah is confident that the heathen (Gentiles) will ultimately come to shame (Isa. lxvi. 5; B. M. 33b).The Gentiles took copies of the Torah, and yet did not accept it (Soṭah 35b).
Eliezer, the son of Jose the Galilean, calls the Gentiles poor "goyyim dawim," because they would not accept the Torah (Mek., Yitro. 62a), referring to Hab. iii. 6 and Ps. cxlvii. 20
Josiah holds that every idolatrous heathen is an enemy of Israel (Mek., Mishpaṭim, 99a).
Jonathan insists that eclipses are of bad augury for Gentiles only, according to Jer. x. 2 (Mek., Bo, 19b).
Simon ben Jose likens Israel to a stone, and the Gentiles to a potsherd (Isa. xxx. 14), applying the proverb: "If the stone falls on the pot, wo to the pot; if the pot falls on the stone, wo to the pot." This he offered as a consolation to persecuted Israel (Esther R. iii. 6).
Hezekiah b. Hiyya deduces from II Kings xx. 18 that he who shows hospitality to a heathen brings the penalty of exile upon his own children (Sanh. 104a).
Johanan bar Nappaḥa … lays stress on the fact that God offered the Law to all nations, who refused to accept it ('Ab. Zarah 2b); therefore while the virus of lust that the serpent injected into Eve was neutralized in Israel, the "nations of the world" still have it in their blood (Shab. 145b; Yeb. 103b; 'Ab. Zarah 22b)…. the Torah was given as a heritage to Israel, a non-Israelite deserves death if he studies it (Sanh. 59a).
Assi is the author of the injunction not to instruct the Gentile in the Torah (Ḥag. 13a).
Tanhuma …likens the nations to wolves and Israel to a lamb (Pesiḳ. R. ix. [ed. Friedmann, p.32a]).
The seven nations in the Holy Land were to be exterminated for fear they might teach the Israelite conquerors idolatry and immoral practises (Deut. vii. 1-6, xviii. 9-14, xx. 16-18);
The Gentiles were so strongly suspected of unnatural crimes that it was necessary to prohibit the stabling of a cow in their stalls ('Ab. Zarah ii. 1).
GENTILE - JewishEncyclopedia.com​

The following Scriptures show that there were both Jews and Greeks in the synagogues at the same time.

Acts 18:4
Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.

These Greeks were circumcised and they were either already members of the Jewish faith or else they were in the process of converting to the Jewish faith.

Acts 17:17
So he reasoned in the synagogue with both Jews and God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there.

Acts 14:1
At Iconium Paul and Barnabas went as usual into the Jewish synagogue. There they spoke so effectively that a great number of Jews and Greeks believed.

 

[Der Alte]

The following Scriptures show that there were both Jews and Greeks in the synagogues at the same time.
Acts 18:4
Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.
These Greeks were circumcised and they were either already members of the Jewish faith or else they were in the process of converting to the Jewish faith.
Acts 17:17
So he reasoned in the synagogue with both Jews and God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there.
Acts 14:1
At Iconium Paul and Barnabas went as usual into the Jewish synagogue. There they spoke so effectively that a great number of Jews and Greeks believed.

You are correct I should have specified uncircumcised gentiles.

 

[Der Alte]

Why do you make that assumption?

Acts of the apostles 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.​

Why did the gentiles have to wait until the Jews came out of the synagogue? If any/all gentiles were allowed in the synagogues why did some gentiles have to wait until the Jews left the synagogue to ask Paul to preach to them the next Sabbath? Why weren't they in the synagogue that day and the following Sabbath? Because uncircumcised gentiles were not allowed in the synagogues.
.....Paul's tutor "Gamaliel also expresses himself to the same effect, adding that the Gentiles, by their impure motive, incur the penalty of Gehenna." And, "the non-Jews only practice charity in order to make for themselves a name Gamaliel is credited with the same opinion..." c.f. Acts of the apostles 22:3
GENTILE - JewishEncyclopedia.com

 

[HARK!]

Why did the gentiles have to wait until the Jews came out of the synagogue? I

Why do you assume that they had to wait?

Why weren't they in the synagogue that day and the following Sabbath?

Why do you assume that they weren't?