Circumcision

[Guojing]

"But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed,"

So in your religion, Paul was still a member of the Sect of the Pharisees, only he believed Jesus was the Messiah? That would be just like those men in Matt:7 who Jesus didn't know then, Yes?

So you are preaching to the world that Jesus' Little Flock was trying to deceive the Gentiles just as they had deceived the Jews for Centuries? "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


Sometimes I can't tell if you really believe this foolishness, or if you are just trolling me

These pharisees believed in Christ as their messiah, as you quoted the verse.

 

[Guojing]

Perhaps you might actually address what is written. It may be difficult for you at first, but it leads to an honest adult discussion.

I did regarding Matthew 28:18-20

 

[bbbbbbb]

In the Body of Christ, your DNA don't matter (Galatians 3:27-28).

Once Israel has fallen, there is no longer any Old Covenant. You are either in the Body of Christ, or you are unsaved.

So, then is there is really no such thing as the New Covenant?

 

[Guojing]

So, then is there is really no such thing as the New Covenant?

It will start with Israel with the millennial kingdom.

As of now, Israel has fallen in the eyes of God Romans 11:11, as stated

 

[Studyman]

These pharisees believed in Christ as their messiah, as you quoted the verse.

Yes, Peter was there when the Jesus "of the Bible" warned him about the many deceivers who would come in His Name, who believed Jesus was their Messiah. And in Acts 15, Peter Applied the Christ's Words to what was happening to the Gentile coverts.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; (Messiah) and shall deceive many.

Peter was also there when Jesus warned of this same thing again.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Peter, the Rock on which God chose for Jesus to build His Church under the changed Priesthood, knew these deceivers who believed, were trying to place a Yoke on the Necks of the Gentile Converts, that the Sect of the Pharisees had placed on their fathers for centuries. For those interested in this Truth of Christ, you can go to Jesus Words regarding the religious sect of the Pharisees, and His warning about the "many" deceivers who would come in His Name, who believe He is the Messiah, and apply them to Acts 15.

Peter turned the Gentile converts away from the Sect of the Pharisees "which believed", because of the doctrines, commandments and traditions of men they were promoting. I tried to point out that Paul was not a member of the Sect of the Pharisees, who believed Jesus was his Messiah. Paul was no longer a Pharisee.

I know in the religious sect many have adopted, that also believes Jesus is their Messiah, "cannot go back to Jesus's words and retrospectively apply them to the gentile believers."

Clearly Peter wasn't a member of this religious sect.

 

[Aldebaran]

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[Guojing]

Yes, Peter was there when the Jesus "of the Bible" warned him about the many deceivers who would come in His Name, who believed Jesus was their Messiah. And in Acts 15, Peter Applied the Christ's Words to what was happening to the Gentile coverts.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; (Messiah) and shall deceive many.

Peter was also there when Jesus warned of this same thing again.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Peter, the Rock on which God chose for Jesus to build His Church under the changed Priesthood, knew these deceivers who believed, were trying to place a Yoke on the Necks of the Gentile Converts, that the Sect of the Pharisees had placed on their fathers for centuries. For those interested in this Truth of Christ, you can go to Jesus Words regarding the religious sect of the Pharisees, and His warning about the "many" deceivers who would come in His Name, who believe He is the Messiah, and apply them to Acts 15.

Peter turned the Gentile converts away from the Sect of the Pharisees "which believed", because of the doctrines, commandments and traditions of men they were promoting. I tried to point out that Paul was not a member of the Sect of the Pharisees, who believed Jesus was his Messiah. Paul was no longer a Pharisee.

I know in the religious sect many have adopted, that also believes Jesus is their Messiah, "cannot go back to Jesus's words and retrospectively apply them to the gentile believers."

Clearly Peter wasn't a member of this religious sect.

I think whenever you encounter the term Pharisee, you assumed all of them are the same ones who refused to believe in Jesus as their messiah.

My point is, those pharisees who believed Christ is their messiah became part of the little flock or the church described in acts 2 and Luke 12:32.

 

[Studyman]

I think whenever you encounter the term Pharisee, you assumed all of them are the same ones who refused to believe in Jesus as their messiah.

Not at all. If you would read my post, you would see that my point was that Peter was there when Jesus told the Disciples who to "Take Heed" of. It wasn't Atheists, or Islam or even Pharisees who didn't believe Jesus was their Messiah.

No, what I posted was what Jesus actually taught them. Here, I'll post it again.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; (Messiah) and shall deceive many.

The sect of the Pharisees which believed, were trying to place a Yoke of Bondage on the Necks of the New Converts that the fathers could not bear. Jesus told us this Yoke was "Teaching for doctrines the Commandments of men". He said they, not God, "bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; (Necks) but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers."

In Acts 15, the religious sect of the Pharisees "Which believed" were trying to Tempt God by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

So clearly, they may have believed "Jesus was the Christ", they may have prophesied in His name? and in His name cast out devils? and in His name done many wonderful works?

But if they "transgress the commandment of God by their tradition?" Or if they "taught for doctrines the commandments of men.", then they were NOT part of the Little Flock.

Not to say there were not some of the religious sect of the Pharisees who repented and stopped trying to place the "Yoke" of the Pharisees on men's neck anymore.

My point is, those pharisees who believed Christ is their messiah became part of the little flock or the church described in acts 2 and Luke 12:32.

Peter obviously believed otherwise, as he successfully kept the New Coverts away from the doctrines and traditions of the Sect of the Pharisees "Which believed" and turned them towards the Law of Moses.

As Jesus said "Many" believe HE is the Messiah and James points out that even the demons believe.

But of the Religious Sect of the Pharisees or the religious sect of the RCC, or the religious sects of the "many" Protestant religions, or the religious sect of the LDS, or any religious sect who Believes Jesus is the Messiah who prophesies in His name and in His name cast out devils and in His name done many wonderful works, but Transgress God's commandments by their own manmade doctrines and traditions, here is what the Jesus "of the Bible" says about them.

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

My point is that Peter was taught this by the Christ, and clearly applied this teaching in Acts 15.

 

[Guojing]

Not at all. If you would read my post, you would see that my point was that Peter was there when Jesus told the Disciples who to "Take Heed" of. It wasn't Atheists, or Islam or even Pharisees who didn't believe Jesus was their Messiah.

No, what I posted was what Jesus actually taught them. Here, I'll post it again.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; (Messiah) and shall deceive many.

The sect of the Pharisees which believed, were trying to place a Yoke of Bondage on the Necks of the New Converts that the fathers could not bear. Jesus told us this Yoke was "Teaching for doctrines the Commandments of men". He said they, not God, "bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; (Necks) but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers."

In Acts 15, the religious sect of the Pharisees "Which believed" were trying to Tempt God by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

So clearly, they may have believed "Jesus was the Christ", they may have prophesied in His name? and in His name cast out devils? and in His name done many wonderful works?

But if they "transgress the commandment of God by their tradition?" Or if they "taught for doctrines the commandments of men.", then they were NOT part of the Little Flock.

Not to say there were not some of the religious sect of the Pharisees who repented and stopped trying to place the "Yoke" of the Pharisees on men's neck anymore.




Peter obviously believed otherwise, as he successfully kept the New Coverts away from the doctrines and traditions of the Sect of the Pharisees "Which believed" and turned them towards the Law of Moses.

As Jesus said "Many" believe HE is the Messiah and James points out that even the demons believe.

But of the Religious Sect of the Pharisees or the religious sect of the RCC, or the religious sects of the "many" Protestant religions, or the religious sect of the LDS, or any religious sect who Believes Jesus is the Messiah who prophesies in His name and in His name cast out devils and in His name done many wonderful works, but Transgress God's commandments by their own manmade doctrines and traditions, here is what the Jesus "of the Bible" says about them.

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

My point is that Peter was taught this by the Christ, and clearly applied this teaching in Acts 15.

The law of moses was always required by the little flock, even after the cross. Matthew 5:17-19

 

[Studyman]

The law of moses was always required by the little flock, even after the cross. Matthew 5:17-19

Isn’t that the point of my reply?

 

[Guojing]

Isn’t that the point of my reply?

So if that is indeed your point, the point those believers said in Acts 15:5

5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

is absolutely correct, if Matthew 5:17-19 continue to hold for the little flock.

 

[Studyman]

So if that is indeed your point, the point those believers said in Acts 15:5

5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

is absolutely correct, if Matthew 5:17-19 continue to hold for the little flock.

Peter and James and the Disciples and others who were "Seeking first the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness" were the "Little Flock". At least according to the Jesus "of the Bible".

Zacharias and Simeon and Anna were also of God's "Little Flock". Cornelious also was grafted into God's "Little Flock".

The Sect of the Pharisees "which believed" were trying to place the SAME Yoke on the Necks of the Disciples in Acts 15, that the Pharisees "which didn't believe" had tried to place on the necks of the Disciples and their Jewish Fathers.

Acts 10: 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Peter directly connected the doctrines and Laws (Yoke, Burden) the Sect of the Pharisees "who believed" were placing on the necks of the Disciples, with the doctrines and Commandments (Yoke, Burden) the Pharisees who "didn't believe", had also placed on the necks of the Disciples and their Jewish Fathers.

My point is that Peter was there when Jesus taught these things.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they (Pharisees, not Moses) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders;(Necks) but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

A person who is interested in the Truth of Christ can go to the Christ's Words to find out what the burdens were that the Pharisees were Laying on the necks of the Disciples and their fathers. Those who do this, and believe the Christ, will understand what the "Yoke" was that the Sect of the Pharisees "that believed" were trying to place on the Necks of the Disciples in Acts 15. (Matt. 15, Mark 7, John 8, etc.)

It seems prudent to point out that in the TRUTH of the Jesus "of the Bible", there are "many" who "believe" Jesus is the Messiah, who prophesy in His Name, who build massive religious businesses in His Name, who even cast out demons in His Name, but because they Transgress God's Commandments by their own religious traditions, (Work Iniquity) Jesus doesn't know them. And therefore, although they believe Jesus is the Christ, they are Not of HIS "Little Flock". The Jesus of the Bible explains this and even warns about it, but "many" who come in His Name, although they believe HE is their Messiah, do not really believe much of what HE says.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, (Like the Sect of the Pharisees who believed) saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and "shall deceive" many.

A perfect example of this is the Sect of the Pharisees "which believed", placing the same Yoke of manmade doctrines and religious traditions which cause those who follow them to "Transgress God's commandments", on the necks of men.

But the "Little Flock" of God, turned the Gentile converts "AWAY" from the religious philosophies of the Sect of the Pharisees, "which believed", towards the real Moses, and God's Laws HE was chosen to give to the "Little flock" being Read every Sabbath by those sat in Moses Seat.

From there, they would become learned "Of the Father".

Tit. 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared "to all men", 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God "and" our Saviour Jesus Christ;

So you are Right about believing Jesus, concerning being "Learned of the Father", both Jew and Gentile, how to live righteously, Holy and Godly in this present age. (Matt. 5: 17-19.)

But you are wrong about the Sect of the Pharisees "which believed" in Acts 15, who were tempting God by placing a Yoke of bondage on the necks of the Disciples that their fathers couldn't bear, being God's "Little Flock".

Remember, "A little leaven leavens the whole lump".

 

[Guojing]

Peter and James and the Disciples and others who were "Seeking first the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness" were the "Little Flock". At least according to the Jesus "of the Bible".

Zacharias and Simeon and Anna were also of God's "Little Flock". Cornelious also was grafted into God's "Little Flock".

The Sect of the Pharisees "which believed" were trying to place the SAME Yoke on the Necks of the Disciples in Acts 15, that the Pharisees "which didn't believe" had tried to place on the necks of the Disciples and their Jewish Fathers.

Acts 10: 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Peter directly connected the doctrines and Laws (Yoke, Burden) the Sect of the Pharisees "who believed" were placing on the necks of the Disciples, with the doctrines and Commandments (Yoke, Burden) the Pharisees who "didn't believe", had also placed on the necks of the Disciples and their Jewish Fathers.

My point is that Peter was there when Jesus taught these things.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they (Pharisees, not Moses) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders;(Necks) but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

A person who is interested in the Truth of Christ can go to the Christ's Words to find out what the burdens were that the Pharisees were Laying on the necks of the Disciples and their fathers. Those who do this, and believe the Christ, will understand what the "Yoke" was that the Sect of the Pharisees "that believed" were trying to place on the Necks of the Disciples in Acts 15. (Matt. 15, Mark 7, John 8, etc.)

It seems prudent to point out that in the TRUTH of the Jesus "of the Bible", there are "many" who "believe" Jesus is the Messiah, who prophesy in His Name, who build massive religious businesses in His Name, who even cast out demons in His Name, but because they Transgress God's Commandments by their own religious traditions, (Work Iniquity) Jesus doesn't know them. And therefore, although they believe Jesus is the Christ, they are Not of HIS "Little Flock". The Jesus of the Bible explains this and even warns about it, but "many" who come in His Name, although they believe HE is their Messiah, do not really believe much of what HE says.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, (Like the Sect of the Pharisees who believed) saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and "shall deceive" many.

A perfect example of this is the Sect of the Pharisees "which believed", placing the same Yoke of manmade doctrines and religious traditions which cause those who follow them to "Transgress God's commandments", on the necks of men.

But the "Little Flock" of God, turned the Gentile converts "AWAY" from the religious philosophies of the Sect of the Pharisees, "which believed", towards the real Moses, and God's Laws HE was chosen to give to the "Little flock" being Read every Sabbath by those sat in Moses Seat.

From there, they would become learned "Of the Father".

Tit. 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared "to all men", 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God "and" our Saviour Jesus Christ;

So you are Right about believing Jesus, concerning being "Learned of the Father", both Jew and Gentile, how to live righteously, Holy and Godly in this present age. (Matt. 5: 17-19.)

But you are wrong about the Sect of the Pharisees "which believed" in Acts 15, who were tempting God by placing a Yoke of bondage on the necks of the Disciples that their fathers couldn't bear, being God's "Little Flock".

Remember, "A little leaven leavens the whole lump".

Since you claimed you agreed that "The law of Moses was always required by the little flock, even after the cross. Matthew 5:17-19", why would Acts 15:10 even matter?

Acts 15:10 was about keeping the Law of Moses.

 

[Studyman]

Since you claimed you agreed that "The law of Moses was always required by the little flock, even after the cross. Matthew 5:17-19", why would Acts 15:10 even matter?

Acts 15:10 was about keeping the Law of Moses.

No, Acts 15: 19-21 speaks to being "Learned of the Father" about God's Holy, Good, Righteous and Just Laws that HE gave to Moses to teach both Jews and the Gentiles, who would turn to God for instruction on how to live Godly, Righteously and Holy in this evil world.

Acts 15:10 is speaking to the burden of the doctrines the Pharisees had placed on the shoulders of the Disciples and their fathers for years, that caused them to fall. I posted the Christ's own Words which show this, and they are many. I posted His many warnings as well, but you wouldn't so much as even acknowledge them or admit that they even existed, choosing instead to blindly continue promoting the falsehood that the One True God placed a "Yoke of Bondage" on those men who trusted Him.

The deceiver, since it's encounter with Eve, have convinced many, "that God's Laws are a Yoke of Bondage", and would quote some of God's Word to do it. To do this, men are snared into believing "its" teaching over the Word of God who created them, same as Eve. Then they are snared into promoting these falsehoods onto others, as Eve also did.

According to Scriptures, the devil uses "Religion" AKA "the kingdoms of this world", to deceive the masses. Paul warns of satan and its ministers disguised as "ministers of righteousness" and "Apostles of Christ". We are told we shall know them by their works.

Titus 1: 6 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Peter knew all of this, being taught directly by the Christ and the Spirit of His Father. He knew that the downfall of man wasn't because of obedience to God, but dishonor, disrespect and disobedience to God. That even if a man professes to know the Christ, or His Father, as it is written "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[Guojing]

No, Acts 15: 19-21 speaks to being "Learned of the Father" about God's Holy, Good, Righteous and Just Laws that HE gave to Moses to teach both Jews and the Gentiles, who would turn to God for instruction on how to live Godly, Righteously and Holy in this evil world.

Acts 15:10 is speaking to the burden of the doctrines the Pharisees had placed on the shoulders of the Disciples and their fathers for years, that caused them to fall. I posted the Christ's own Words which show this, and they are many. I posted His many warnings as well, but you wouldn't so much as even acknowledge them or admit that they even existed, choosing instead to blindly continue promoting the falsehood that the One True God placed a "Yoke of Bondage" on those men who trusted Him.

The deceiver, since it's encounter with Eve, have convinced many, "that God's Laws are a Yoke of Bondage", and would quote some of God's Word to do it. To do this, men are snared into believing "its" teaching over the Word of God who created them, same as Eve. Then they are snared into promoting these falsehoods onto others, as Eve also did.

According to Scriptures, the devil uses "Religion" AKA "the kingdoms of this world", to deceive the masses. Paul warns of satan and its ministers disguised as "ministers of righteousness" and "Apostles of Christ". We are told we shall know them by their works.

Titus 1: 6 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Peter knew all of this, being taught directly by the Christ and the Spirit of His Father. He knew that the downfall of man wasn't because of obedience to God, but dishonor, disrespect and disobedience to God. That even if a man professes to know the Christ, or His Father, as it is written "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

So you continue to insist that those Pharisees in Acts 15 believed in Jesus as their Messiah, but they are still not part of the little flock, linking different unrelated scripture passages together to illustrate your reasoning.

Alright then, we can agree to disagree.

 

[Studyman]

So you continue to insist that those Pharisees in Acts 15 believed in Jesus as their Messiah, but they are still not part of the little flock, linking different unrelated scripture passages together to illustrate your reasoning.

Alright then, we can agree to disagree.

I understand that many religious sects of this world's entire religious philosophy, is founded on the belief that God's Law is a Yoke of Bondage and that "ANY" Word of God, Jesus or the Apostles which bring question to this religious philosophy, must be ignored as "unrelated" obsolete or abolished.

In Acts 15, the "Sect of the Pharisees" which believed Jesus was the Christ, were trying to lay on the necks of the disciples the same Yoke they (Sect of the Pharisees) had laid on the necks of their fathers. (SEE Acts 15:10) Jesus defines this yoke, that Peter spoke of, to Peter before HE was murdered, but "many" who believe, cannot accept His Words, because to do so would expose the error in their religious philosophy, the same way HE exposed the doctrines and traditions of man the Sect of the Pharisees promoted. The Jesus "of the bible" tells you, just as HE did Peter, what Yoke the Pharisees laid on the necks of men were, and Peter believed HIM, but you don't. Though the sect of the Pharisees trying to place deception and traditions of man on the necks of the Disciples and Gentiles, "believed", they are not the "Little Flock" as Jesus Himself said HE doesn't know them.

This is why Peter turned the Gentiles who had turned to God "AWAY" from the sect of the Pharisees which believed, and "AWAY" from the "Yoke" they were attempting to place on their necks, and turned them toward the real Moses, and the Laws of God that HE foreordained that we should walk in them. It's right there in your own Bible, men simply need to choose the Word of God, over popular religious philosophy.


It's not about one opinion VS another, it's about believing what is actually written, VS ignoring what is written in order to preserve a particular religious philosophy.

Jesus NEVER "Agreed to disagree" with the "many" who believed HE was the Messiah, but "worked iniquity". He said to "Take Heed" and Paul said to "Beware" of them, and to point them out to others, as you would warn your brother of a pit to take Heed they don't fall into it.

I have no doubt that some of these Pharisees "which believed", repented of their teaching for doctrines the Commandments of men, and joined God's Church that was built on Peter. And if they "Yielded themselves" servant to obey God from the heart. instead of promoting popular religious philosophies of men, God is able to graft them into His Little Flock.

In the meantime, the Gentiles who had turned to God would become "Learned of the Father" through Moses as Jesus instructed. That is, the Jesus "of the Bible".

 

[Guojing]

The Jesus "of the bible" tells you, just as HE did Peter, what Yoke the Pharisees laid on the necks of men were, and Peter believed HIM, but you don't. Though the sect of the Pharisees trying to place deception and traditions of man on the necks of the Disciples and Gentiles, "believed", they are not the "Little Flock" as Jesus Himself said HE doesn't know them.

This is why Peter turned the Gentiles who had turned to God "AWAY" from the sect of the Pharisees which believed, and "AWAY" from the "Yoke" they were attempting to place on their necks, and turned them toward the real Moses, and the Laws of God that HE foreordained that we should walk in them. It's right there in your own Bible, men simply need to choose the Word of God, over popular religious philosophy.

Actually Peter in Acts 15 wanted Israel to be saved as gentiles like Cornelius was, if you read Acts 15:11 literally.

But James would have none of it and only excluded gentiles from the Law, not Israel (Acts 15:19, Acts 21:18-25).

Too bad that by the time of Acts 15, he was the boss of Jerusalem HQ and not Peter. =)

 

[Studyman]

Actually Peter in Acts 15 wanted Israel to be saved as gentiles like Cornelius was, if you read Acts 15:11 literally.

But James would have none of it and only excluded gentiles from the Law, not Israel (Acts 15:19, Acts 21:18-25).

Too bad that by the time of Acts 15, he was the boss of Jerusalem HQ and not Peter. =)

LOL, Yes, Peter was not the Elder of the Sect of the Pharisees, not those "that believed", nor of those who didn't believe. He was the Elder of the Little Flock, both Jew and Gentile.

And James didn't exclude the Gentiles from God's Law. He directed the Gentiles towards God and His Laws, being read in the Temple every Sabbath Day. All four behaviors that James told them to Abstain from, were against God's Law. Although this is undeniable Biblical Truth, it doesn't help promote the popular religious philosophy of this world that God's Laws are the Yoke of Bondage HE placed on the necks those who would trust Him. So as will all Scriptures that doesn't promote the agenda, they are ignored as rejected.

This is why I "came out of" this world's religions that you promote, "who come in Christ's Name", because they promote so many things about the God of the Holy scriptures which are simply not true. And when they are shown the truth in scriptures, they reject it, in order to preserve their own religious philosophy.

"But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we "shall" be saved, "even as they".

Like Paul also teaches.

Rom. 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that "doeth" evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that "worketh" good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 "For there is no respect of persons with God."

As the Spirit of Christ also inspires;

Is. 8: 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no Light in them.

And from the Same Spirit again.

1 John 2: 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the Truth (Light) is not in him.

 

[Guojing]

And James didn't exclude the Gentiles from God's Law. He directed the Gentiles towards God and His Laws, being read in the Temple every Sabbath Day. All four behaviors that James told them to Abstain from, were against God's Law. Although this is undeniable Biblical Truth, it doesn't help promote the popular religious philosophy of this world that God's Laws are the Yoke of Bondage HE placed on the necks those who would trust Him. So as will all Scriptures that doesn't promote the agenda, they are ignored as rejected.

This is why I "came out of" this world's religions that you promote, "who come in Christ's Name", because they promote so many things about the God of the Holy scriptures which are simply not true. And when they are shown the truth in scriptures, they reject it, in order to preserve their own religious philosophy.

We already had a long discussion over what Acts 21:25 meant, and since I take the KJV, we will differ in our understanding of what "observe no such thing" meant.