Church based serial super spreader events

[Hans Blaster]

Because your post was in response to my post and my use of anecdotal.

Anecdotal and superspreader aren't even related terms. Please don't complain [to me] about something I didn't even mention.

 

[Albion]

Hold a camp where everyone sleeps in large groups, where vaccination is not asked for, no one is tested or masked.

Guess what happened!

Yes, but you are now generalizing about hypothetical events that can be said to be similar. That's a lot of surmising.

What I was calling our attention to was the misleading and sensationalist claims made in that particular news story, not all of which hold up to closer examination.

This has become a problem in the country lately with people on both sides being willing to bend the facts in order, hopefully, to discredit the other POV.

 

[Strathos]

I haven't been out and about much at all since the pandemic began. I work and attend church from home.

 

[Hammster]

Anecdotal and superspreader aren't even related terms. Please don't complain [to me] about something I didn't even mention.

You responded to my post about something that I never talked about. So I thought it was fair game.

 

[Derf]

You're giving it a pass. You claim that if it can be proven you would accept it but here it's proven via an article and you call it "anecdotal" and then you give it a pass.

You think because someone writes an article about something, that proves it? That seems overly trusting to me.

 

[Derf]

I haven't been out and about much at all since the pandemic began. I work and attend church from home.

That's not really "attending" church. That's more like "watching" church. I don't think church was supposed to be a spectator event.

 

[Strathos]

That's not really "attending" church. That's more like "watching" church. I don't think church was supposed to be a spectator event.

As long as I can feel the presence of God and fellowship with other believers, it works for me.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

You think because someone writes an article about something, that proves it? That seems overly trusting to me.

So you think nothing is proven unless you personally experience it first-hand? That seems overly skeptical to me.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

That's not really "attending" church. That's more like "watching" church. I don't think church was supposed to be a spectator event.

Where two are gathered in His name, He is there, and that is a Church. It is not meant to be an "event". It is simply fellowship of 2 or more believers with focus on worship. And with today's technology we don't need to meet "live/in-person" to meet.

It's America that has monetized Church™ into a broadway show or rock concert event and now formed a political variant of it among its pantheon of idols.

 

[Albion]

As long as I can feel the presence of God and fellowship with other believers, it works for me.

Certainly there's some benefit in doing what you mention, especially if the alternative is to have no contact at all.

However, Derf's point is worthy of more than a brush-off. If we are to do what the Bible clearly outlines, and if it matters which god is thought to be present in our lives, it means experiencing fellowship, receiving the sacraments which Christ ordained, and being instructed in the word of God in a local congregation if at all possible.

 

[Hammster]

Where two are gathered in His name, He is there, and that is a Church. It is not meant to be an "event". It is simply fellowship of 2 ore more believers with focus on worship. And with today's technology we don't need to meet "live/in-person" to meet.

It's America that has monetized Church™ into a broadway show or rock concert event and now formed a political variant of it among its pantheon of idols.

That verse relates to church discipline (context matter). I hope church disciple would happen face to face.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

Where?

Where else but CA...

 

[ArmenianJohn]

That verse relates to church discipline (context matter). I hope church disciple would happen face to face.

I don't see "Church disciple" in the Bible. We are to be disciples of Christ, not the Church.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Where else but CA...

Nowhere else, and not even in CA.

 

[mama2one]

Pastor at one of the churches we attend, posted a video saying "it's time to come back"

no masks, no social distancing, etc
it's worse now with delta & still community spread, hospitalizations, death in our area

but no one cares... we're not going to go back yet since this is the prevailing attitude

 

[keith99]

Yes, but you are now generalizing about hypothetical events that can be said to be similar. That's a lot of surmising.

What I was calling our attention to was the misleading and sensationalist claims made in that particular news story, not all of which hold up to closer examination.

This has become a problem in the country lately with people on both sides being willing to bend the facts in order, hopefully, to discredit the other POV.

Misleading? How? It simply reported the results of doing just about everything wrong.

 

[keith99]

"Overall, 1,127 people from at least four states were exposed to the coronavirus because they went to the camp or conference or were close contacts of people with camp or conference-associated cases."

"Of the 180 people with probable and confirmed cases of COVID-19, five had to be hospitalized. No one died. None of the vaccinated people who had breakthrough cases had to be hospitalized."

This seems like a success story. "No one died." Only 180 people out of 1127 actually got sick, and of those, some were just "probable" cases, which means they didn't get sick enough to bother getting tested. Not sure how many.

"The report showed, once again, that vaccinated people can spread COVID-19. Of the 122 people from the camp and conference who caught the illness, 18 were fully vaccinated. Eight close contacts of those 18 fully vaccinated people then got it, including four people who were fully vaccinated.

In all, there were 29 cases among fully vaccinated people."
It would interest me to know how many vaccinated people were there, compared to how many got infected.

"Of 31 infected people who had specimens sequenced, 87% had the delta variant."
It seems strange that there were two variants being transmitted at the camp. But perhaps it was a blessing, since no one died, and now lots of people have natural immunities!

Poe's LAw in action!

 

[keith99]

Where else but CA...

Unmasked at a strip club in California?

Perhaps, but not in Los Angeles or San Francisco.

And bars and strip clubs were never classified as essential businesses. Liquor stores were, in many areas, most likely because such closures would create a black market which is not a good thing during a pandemic.

 

[Pommer]

Strip clubs were deemed essential and allowed to remain open while churches were commanded by state governments to close...

There’s actual mega-churches…the next time a “mega-strip club” opens I’m sure that the restrictions will be similar.

 

[royal priest]

Nowhere else, and not even in CA.

California judge extends strip-club exemption from lockdown