Church based serial super spreader events

[ArmenianJohn]

Why are unmasked group events considered super spreader events only based on one particular political leaning?

Those are pre-Covid

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Anecdotal stories are just that.

Yeah I got back to listening/watching Scott Adams and he pointed that out, especially in the slow drip of stories against antimasking etc.

It's also interesting in the long time Covid boogeyman, but the data from England he quoted shows that is pretty uncommon like less than 1%, while people were speculating it could be as high as 25% of cases.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Hold a camp where everyone sleeps in large groups, where vaccination is not asked for, no one is tested or masked.

Guess what happened!

CDC: Church camp that didn't require vaccinations, masks linked to 180 COVID-19 cases (msn.com)

And to take it a step farther 6 men from that camp went to a similar men's conference to pass on the blessing oc covid-19!

This is like a Church hosting a "Christian Cocaine Camp" and then when people get sick and/or die from it they nonchalantly go on as though nothing's wrong, using the excuse "Oh well, people die anyway, no Christian should be afraid to die anyway..."

Somehow these Churches understand taking care of one's health in certain ways - I'm sure there was no drinking or smoking (much less cocaine) permitted at this camp yet they completely ignore the biggest and most immediate health hazard. I'm also sure they don't permit smoking or drinking or cocaine) because of some interpretation of the Body being the Temple of the Holy Spirit yet somehow they don't ever apply that to Covid.

Incredible double standard and (intentional) cognitive dissonance by an entire Church and many others like them. And all for politics, not even for God.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

Sporting events, strip clubs, democratic luncheons/fundraising events and the like...completely fine and no problem.

Anything involving the church - RAWR! SUPER SPREADERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

Yeah, and any well known "conservative/Trumpian/right wing nutcase" that balks at Covid ends up hospitalized and filmed crying "Get the vaxx, get the vaxx, don’t be like meeeeeee…"

How many from the other side are falling like flies? Surely Obama's Super Spreader Birthday Extrvaganza! produced a couple of closeup-ready tragedies?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Those are pre-Covid

Video shows hoards of maskless people at Pelosi fundraiser

August 22, 2021 is not pre covid.

 

[Jesus is my Superhero]

Are democratic luncheons the same thing as those BLM protests during the summer of 2020? Never a peep about masking or super spreaders concerning those, but then I suppose, why rock the boat when those were mostly peaceful anyway.

The propaganda arm of the government is always expanding.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Sporting events, strip clubs, democratic luncheons/fundraising events and the like...completely fine and no problem.

Anything involving the church - RAWR! SUPER SPREADERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

That is the victim mentality again. Interesting that you mention strip clubs, though.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Video shows hoards of maskless people at Pelosi fundraiser

August 22, 2021 is not pre covid.

Oh I see now - that is from an outdoor event that she held where masks are not required. Not to mention since they're democrts they're probably all vaxxed and much safer. What this church in the OP did is nothing like a 2 hour outdoor small luncheon - they did 3 days of camping in close quarters with 100's of people.

You're comparing apples and oranges because otherwise you are unable to make a point.

 

[royal priest]

If you're trying to make light of this... it's no laughing matter.

I'm not being light. They're going to have natural immunity. That's a good thing for everyone.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I'm not being light. They're going to have natural immunity. That's a good thing for everyone.

Most people don't have natural immunity and can get Covid again. Those who have had Covid already are still TWICE as likely to get Covid again than someone who has been vaccinated. So their "natural immunity" isn't worth much of anything, and is not good for anyone.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I know it’s real. But it’s still anecdotal. But the purpose of the thread makes this look like it’s a widespread issue. There are tons of churches meeting every week, unmasked. And without issue. That doesn’t make a good headline, though.

1. We went around a lot on anecdote versus data with the vaccine reactions and impacts. That's because in the case of suspected vaccine injuries (for example, a 60-year old man who has a fatal heart attack the morning after getting the shot), the causal connection to the manner of death is unclear (how did the shot cause a heart attack), they weren't detected in the clinical trial (with ~50,000 participants) so they are rare, and there are similar injuries that happen (unfortunately, it is not all that uncommon for 60-year old men to have fatal heart attacks). In this case we need the power of statistics and carefully gathered data.

2. This item (in the OP) is what they call a "case study". The casual agent for the disease is well known (SARS-CoV-2) and so is the means of transmission (airborne droplets). A case study like this one can answer questions like:
* how did the virus enter the camp? A camper? A staffer? (From the article it seems like a camper was the first to get ill in this case. [Note added later: Apparently there were three different variants, meaning at least 3 infected people brought the virus from outside the camp and the conference that followed.)
* how did it spread within the camp? If they know patient-0, then they can trace contacts and understand how the conditions in the camp affected the spread.

If it had been brought in by a staffer, requiring staff to have vaccinations could have prevented the outbreak. If it had been brought in by a camper, then testing of campers could have identified the problem before it got out of hand even if they couldn't be vaccinated. (There were 87 cases at the camp itself.)

3. This isn't about churches, its about camps with unvaccinated and unmasked campers and staff. (It happened to be a church camp, but I don't think that part is relevant.) Church only lasts 1 hour once a week. Can the virus spread there? (yes) This is about a situation were many people are sleeping in the same room and breathing each others respiratory particles. (Apparently humans are grosser than we realized, not just the ones that don't wash their hands in the bathroom.) Then they spent large parts of the day sharing crowded indoor spaces. It was a tinderbox.

4. This is not a comprehensive, controlled scientific study (it only involves one camp after all), but there are still things we can learn from it, which is why they do case studies in medicine.

5. The lessons learned should not be that camps are bad (or churches, or church camps), but rather that if you are going to have a camp, especially if the campers can't be vaccinated:
* require all staff to be vaccinated
* test everyone entering the camp from outside (new campers arriving and day staff coming to work each day).

 

[spiritfilledjm]

That is the victim mentality again. Interesting that you mention strip clubs, though.

Strip clubs were deemed essential and allowed to remain open while churches were commanded by state governments to close...

 

[Hammster]

You're giving it a pass. You claim that if it can be proven you would accept it but here it's proven via an article and you call it "anecdotal" and then you give it a pass.

Nope.

 

[Hammster]

1. We went around a lot on anecdote versus data with the vaccine reactions and impacts. That's because in the case of suspected vaccine injuries (for example, a 60-year old man who has a fatal heart attack the morning after getting the shot), the causal connection to the manner of death is unclear (how did the shot cause a heart attack), they weren't detected in the clinical trial (with ~50,000 participants) so they are rare, and there are similar injuries that happen (unfortunately, it is not all that uncommon for 60-year old men to have fatal heart attacks). In this case we need the power of statistics and carefully gathered data.

2. This item (in the OP) is what they call a "case study". The casual agent for the disease is well known (SARS-CoV-2) and so is the means of transmission (airborne droplets). A case study like this one can answer questions like:
* how did the virus enter the camp? A camper? A staffer? (From the article it seems like a camper was the first to get ill in this case. [Note added later: Apparently there were three different variants, meaning at least 3 infected people brought the virus from outside the camp and the conference that followed.)
* how did it spread within the camp? If they know patient-0, then they can trace contacts and understand how the conditions in the camp affected the spread.

If it had been brought in by a staffer, requiring staff to have vaccinations could have prevented the outbreak. If it had been brought in by a camper, then testing of campers could have identified the problem before it got out of hand even if they couldn't be vaccinated. (There were 87 cases at the camp itself.)

3. This isn't about churches, its about camps with unvaccinated and unmasked campers and staff. (It happened to be a church camp, but I don't think that part is relevant.) Church only lasts 1 hour once a week. Can the virus spread there? (yes) This is about a situation were many people are sleeping in the same room and breathing each others respiratory particles. (Apparently humans are grosser than we realized, not just the ones that don't wash their hands in the bathroom.) Then they spent large parts of the day sharing crowded indoor spaces. It was a tinderbox.

4. This is not a comprehensive, controlled scientific study (it only involves one camp after all), but there are still things we can learn from it, which is why they do case studies in medicine.

5. The lessons learned should not be that camps are bad (or churches, or church camps), but rather that if you are going to have a camp, especially if the campers can't be vaccinated:
* require all staff to be vaccinated
* test everyone entering the camp from outside (new campers arriving and day staff coming to work each day).

Show me in the article where “super spreader” is mentioned. (It’s not). So while the article is true, it’s use here is anecdotal because there are large groups gathering all of the time without any issues.

 

[DaisyDay]

Why are unmasked group events considered super spreader events only based on one particular political leaning?

There could be a couple of reasons such as were the guests required to have been vaxxed and tested or not? More importantly, was covid actually spread by this event? To be deemed a super spreader event, there has to have been illness directly associated with the attendees. The political party is irrelevant.

At least they won't have to worry about the potential side effects of these vaccines. Plus it brings us even closer to herd immunity.

The side effects from the virus are far worse and far more likely.

Sporting events, strip clubs, democratic luncheons/fundraising events and the like...completely fine and no problem.

Anything involving the church - RAWR! SUPER SPREADERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

Gosh, I guess you missed the coverage of the Sturgis motorcycle rally. The Olympics were covered but the organizers had stringent precautions in place and so far, no spreading of covid seems to have resulted. Maybe that's why...

Show evidence that a particular Democratic luncheon or fundraising event resulted in the attendees and their associates getting the disease and you'll be taken more seriously.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Show me in the article where “super spreader” is mentioned. (It’s not). So while the article is true, it’s use here is anecdotal because there are large groups gathering all of the time without any issues.

Huh?

I didn't use the word "super spreader" in my entire reply. What's that got to do with my post.

 

[pescador]

Sporting events, strip clubs, democratic luncheons/fundraising events and the like...completely fine and no problem.

Anything involving the church - RAWR! SUPER SPREADERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

This is a real distortion of reality. Many, if not most, events require people to wear masks, social distance, etc. The comment on "democratic luncheons/fundraising events and the like" shows where you're coming from.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Strip clubs were deemed essential and allowed to remain open while churches were commanded by state governments to close...

Where?

 

[pescador]

Yeah, and any well known "conservative/Trumpian/right wing nutcase" that balks at Covid ends up hospitalized and filmed crying "Get the vaxx, get the vaxx, don’t be like meeeeeee…"

How many from the other side are falling like flies? Surely Obama's Super Spreader Birthday Extrvaganza! produced a couple of closeup-ready tragedies?

Surely not... If you have no evidence, stop spreading rumors based on your right-wing politics instead of facts.

 

[Hammster]

Huh?

I didn't use the word "super spreader" in my entire reply. What's that got to do with my post.

Because your post was in response to my post and my use of anecdotal.