Chuck Schumer finally admits it: Democrats don’t want any real immigration law

[Valletta]

That’s not what he said, though. Isn’t bearing false witness a thing for Christians?

It is not my place to judge him. When dealing with politicians, watch what they do, not what they say.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It is not my place to judge him. When dealing with politicians, watch what they do, not what they say.

Then maybe you should wait until Schumer at least submits an 'open borders' immigration law for consideration before making a thread that misrepresents his position.

 

[stevil]

Yep people have let themselves become "woke" enough to believe border control and national security is a bad thing.

Well, no. Most people are fully in support of the DOJ and now special council investigation to why citizen D Trump was hiding and storing stolen government documents including classified documents in his resort. Why, when subpoenaed for them, he continued to refuse to return them, and why his lawyer lied when signing a letter to say that there were no government documents on the property.

National security breaches like this is very much top of mind.

Both parties, both Democratic Party and Republican party support border control.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Both parties, both Democratic Party and Republican party support border control.

I see democrats condemning it far more than supporting it. They use words like fascist, nationalist and xenophobic regarding its existence.

 

[stevil]

I see democrats condemning it far more than supporting it. They use words like fascist, nationalist and xenophobic regarding its existence.

Sounds like a mischaracterisation of the Democrats position to me. Do have have specific references to a Democrat suggesting removing of border control? Or just them against specific things, like seperating parents from kids and shipping those kids across the US so that noone can find them - not even their parents.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I see democrats condemning it far more than supporting it. They use words like fascist, nationalist and xenophobic regarding its existence.

"When I took office, I committed to fixing this broken immigration system. And I began by doing what I could to secure our borders. Today, we have more agents and technology deployed to secure our southern border than at any time in our history. And over the past six years, illegal border crossings have been cut by more than half."

 

[Bradskii]

"When I took office, I committed to fixing this broken immigration system. And I began by doing what I could to secure our borders. Today, we have more agents and technology deployed to secure our southern border than at any time in our history. And over the past six years, illegal border crossings have been cut by more than half."

I'll bet that if you asked some people in this thread if they thought that comment showed a worthy commitment to border and imigration control they'd need to click the link to see who said it before they'd answer.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Sounds like a mischaracterisation of the Democrats position to me. Do have have specific references to a Democrat suggesting removing of border control?

It's more like replacing current border control with something more like a welcome committee offering incentives.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's more like replacing current border control with something more like a welcome committee offering incentives.

Do you have specific references to a Democrat suggesting this?

 

[Ceallaigh]

"When I took office, I committed to fixing this broken immigration system. And I began by doing what I could to secure our borders. Today, we have more agents and technology deployed to secure our southern border than at any time in our history. And over the past six years, illegal border crossings have been cut by more than half."

And how about now?

 

[Ceallaigh]

Do you have specific references to a Democrat suggesting this?

Threads like this.

 

[essentialsaltes]

And how about now?

Unlawful migration is not acceptable, and we’ll secure our borders, including through innovative, coordinated actions with our regional partners.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Threads like this.

If you mean Chuck Schumer, he said nothing like what the thread title suggests.

 

[stevil]

It's more like replacing current border control with something more like a welcome committee offering incentives.

References please

 

[Fantine]

Democrat has no more interest fixing the immigration issue then Republican. Republican use immigration and border security as a tool to energize their base, Democrat dangle “comprehensive immigration” to Hispanic voter year after year without any real effort. In 2009 Democrats had 60 votes in Senate but they did absolutely nothing.

This article gives a history of immigration reform.

Why Does Immigration Reform Legislation Fail?

Jerry Kammer explains how a left-right coalition of immigrant-rights groups, ethnic activists, business interests, and civil libertarians thwarted the immigration reform law enacted by Congress in 1986.

cis.org

The biggest "amnesty occurred under Reagan" in 1986 in a bill that traded amnesty for stronger enforcement. The immigrants I know who were admitted under this program now have adult children who are almost all responsible members of society, the people you would like to have as your neighbors and friends.

Other attempts have failed because people who wanted stronger enforcement never felt that the Reagan law kept its promise on enforcement, and they don't believe prospective laws promising enforcement unless they are enforcement only bills.

 

[Pommer]

"When I took office, I committed to fixing this broken immigration system. And I began by doing what I could to secure our borders. Today, we have more agents and technology deployed to secure our southern border than at any time in our history. And over the past six years, illegal border crossings have been cut by more than half."

No. There’s a crisis! Really this time! Caravans and everything! Fentanyl mules galore, look, look, see, see!

 

[Ceallaigh]

Considering the Republicans are calling the Democrats lackadaisical, and the Democrats are calling the Republicans draconian, it's pretty obvious who's soft and who's firm on border control.

 

[Pommer]

Considering the Republicans are calling the Democrats lackadaisical, and the Democrats are calling the Republicans draconian, it's pretty obvious who's soft and who's firm on border control.

Maybe we should go with the real actual numbers of encounters with undocumented immigrants, rather than making hasty generalizations about who uses the cooler rhetoric?

 

[KCfromNC]

I'll bet that if you asked some people in this thread if they thought that comment showed a worthy commitment to border and imigration control they'd need to click the link to see who said it before they'd answer.

Pretty sure the fact it is a grammatically correct paragraph would answer the question without needing to source it.

 

[KCfromNC]

Considering the Republicans are calling the Democrats lackadaisical, and the Democrats are calling the Republicans draconian, it's pretty obvious who's soft and who's firm on border control.

Why would one base their views of reality on the assertions of people trying to score cheap political points?
Seems like a better way would be to look at the details of the various proposals in question ... something which has been notably absent from this thread, perhaps because it would lead to uncomfortable conclusions?