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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?
Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?
Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?
Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?

I'm a Christian. I do hold all of the ideas you mentioned as possibilities. Things aren't so simple as 1-2-3 though. Science evolves too. Maybe in 1000 years, the understanding would be quite different from today? We should not take today's ideas as cast in stone forever. But most definitely as a real possibility.
 
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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?
Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?
Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?
Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?
 
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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

First off, I am very excited that you are showing an interest in the Christian belief, and it is my prayer that you will one day surrender your heart and life to Jesus.
As for your questions, I can only speak for myself, but I would answer no to all 4 questions. God Bless!
 
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Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?

The Bible does not say the age of the universe. It is not a doctrine of faith, so it is not a simple, yes/no question.

Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?

God spoke everything into existence, and there is no indication that He used a "Big Bang". Precision and order and life does not come from an massive explosion. Not a simple yes/no question.

Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?

Again, not a Biblical doctrine. But the Bible gives no indication that the earth is 4.5 billion years, but gives a much stronger indication that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?

Again, not a doctrine of faith. There is no indication for this in the Bible.

None of those things are science. They are simply theories, not proven truth. Science is observable, testable, repeatable. You cannot observes the age of the universe, the earth, the "Big Bang" and there are no 500,000 year old people to ask if they saw Neanderthals walking about.
 
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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?
Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?
Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?
Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?
Well, I can give you my outlook on these. I will give the simple yes or no, then explain. You must realize that when you say "Christian" that there are millions of Christians and there are large numbers who strongly disagree on these topics.

Here is my view and the view that most church members of my geological location would agree with.

1/Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?

No. God created the universe as described in Genesis 1, in six literal days.

2/Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?

No, the "Big Bang" that some scientists believe to have happened is impossible. How can all of this mass of material of all the solar system come from nothing.

However, when God said "let there be light" and then created the universe we live in, by speaking it into existence, It may have been a site to see that would be equivalent to the "big bang". First, nothing, then light, then a universe.

3/Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?

No. The earth is just over 6000 years old. This can be arrived at by the genealogy of the bible and the time line it presents.

4/Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?

Again, No. Adam was the first man. There were no women until God made Eve from Adam's rib. We know the family tree of Adam until Noah and then from Noah on... There were no other human like beings as products of evolution.
Scientists that are not afraid to understand the Biblical account can tell you that as a human ages certain parts of the body do not stop growing. The ears and facial bones don't stop growing. Actually all the bones continue to grow wider as we age. This includes the pelvis. Adam and people of his day lived to be hundreds of years old. The skulls of these people would be different and could, in fact, be the skulls thought to be neanderthal skulls.

Of course, this will all be called nonsense because the scientific world can not possibly have any information out there that would give one sniff of a suggestion that the Bible is correct. So, many facts are slandered by sites to be labeled as hoaxes or whatever. There are true Christian scientists that will admit the truth, however they are given so much flack and hassle that they are beat into submission. Many have been lost their jobs, funding and accreditation by standing up to the truth of God.
https://www.google.ca/#q=parts+of+the+body+that+grow+continuously
 
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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?
Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?
Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?
Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?

I cannot speak for all Christians. I am sure that some Christians, particularly Fundamentalists, would disagree with me and that is fine. However, I would say yes to your first three statements. As others have said, I would disagree with the date in the final sentence; 200,000-250,000 years ago would I think be more accurate based on current scientific knowledge.
 
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I believe the earth is billions of years old based on radiometric dating, the fossil record and observing thousands of feet of alluvial and carbonate shelf sediments that were deposited since before and after life existed on Earth. I also believe God is omnipotent and has great creative powers capable of helping shape the destiny of life on earth. I cannot appreciate the full extent of God's accomplishments.
 
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For me it is a 4*NO. I was a YEC, probably from the first time God intervened strongly in my life, when I asked Jesus to come and rule over my life.
It was as if a war broke out in my head, and one part of the war was against my beliefs in an old earth, and an old universe, and evolution as the master explanation.
Living in Denmark I had heard nothing else than old earth and evolution from my childhood, and it has surely taken some time to replace that belief system.
 
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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?
Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?
Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?
Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?
Yes, and more than 13 billion

No, the material universe expands and contracts

Yes, 4.8+billion

Yes, and sooner and mated with humans.
 
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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?
Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?
Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?
Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?

Speaking only for myself as a Christian, I answer yes to all four questions. However, I am also aware that some Christians do not.

PS --- I will qualify my answer to the second question by saying that the universe may have existed in some form prior to the Big Bang and might have always existed.
 
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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?
Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?
Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?
Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?

Who cares? We weren't there! What would we do if we somehow got the answer to all 4 questions? Hello?

It's like tons of questions about the end of the world. Who cares? We won't be here!

What matters is that which is right here, right now: Source and instructions! That which is honorable and essential!

A delightful summary is found in John 14:6, John 3:16-17, John 5:24, Romans 10:8-13, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 8:1 !!

"Lord, summon everyone to Post __#71__." <--------
 
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God is the nature. View any natural phenomenons as the hand of God behind the scene. Science tents to reveal the secret of creation with the help of God.
Ecclesiastes 8:17 says 'then I saw all that God has done. No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun. Despite all their efforts to search it out, no one can discover its meaning. Even if the wise claim they know, they cannot really comprehend it.

Science doesn't represent perfection. People like me try to view science and religion each in its own perspective without using one to judge the other.

Bible doesn't contradict itself, we do contradict the Bible because of our limited knowledge as human.

Your type of questions is common among those who doubt the authenticity of the Bible that was why you got the type of answered from 'bound South'

A fellow who needs salvation, who want to become a Christian start with elementary questions like: what is Christianity? who is Jesus Christ? Why did he come to the earth?, what is His significance of coming to the earth?... With this, one can be convinced that you seek what you claimed.

1 Corinthians 2:14
'The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned'.
 
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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?
Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?
Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?
Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?
Hi there Jordan! Wow, you've got lots of answers already, but my heart feels that you've not really gotten what you had hoped to find. You seem to be quite new to Christianity, and you've wandered along here, to find yourself amongst a number of people who are advanced in their pursuit of it. You have been given simple answers to your question, but you seem to be the sort of person who craves to understand why this question even exists.

So here is another question that I would like to suggest for you to consider:

"Who wrote the creation account in Genesis, and where did that information originate?"

As far as I know, there is not yet any incontrovertible answer to that question. The information that could answer that question has been lost to public knowledge, and that forces us to conclude that any belief a person may form regarding the Genesis creation accounts, is speculative in absence of that information.

It further demonstrates that a belief, whether for or against it's literal meaning, is wholly based upon assumption. The person believing that it either is or isn't literally true, has made a commitment to that belief without having tangible proof, and most likely this is in order to support a predetermined bias, or to quell peer pressure.

I encourage you, in light of this, to consider the implications of believing the various possibilities for the origin of Genesis 1 & 2.

1. Possibly, Adam and Eve were the original witnesses, and have transmitted their knowledge by communications through a handful of generations (see the attached photocopy), until Israel became enslaved in Egypt. Then there was ~160 years before Moses led the Exodus and the Genesis Scriptures were penned. It is also possible that older, more authentic, physical records could have existed at that time (eg Adam might have written some cuneiform etc).

2. Possibly, Moses (or some other writer) had received this information by divine revelation (eg, through prayer).

3. Possibly, the stories evolved as campfire tales, being a mythology of Israel's origin, that came to be taken so seriously that their faith was based upon them.

Obviously, the implications of each possible reality has a huge impact on one's regard for the accounts, the nature of their faith, their characterisation of God, etc. For example, if these were true eye-witness accounts, it causes serious questions about the supposed contradiction of scientific theories. If these were campfire mythology, then one will view it as a more philosophical story of the nature of God and man. Certainly the writer of Genesis has intended for it to be taken seriously and not mythically (Genesis 5), but has not disclosed the source of his information.

For this reason, I always suggest that it is most wise and reliable, to keep an open mind so as to not exclude any possible truths, until such time as we can be certain who did write those accounts and where they got their information. Otherwise, one is taking the risk of making untrue statements in God's name, without really being justified or required to do so. The discerning inquirer will rightfully dismiss that person's belief as irrational, and form an impression of that person's character, as being irrational.

Keep searching for God's friendship, Jordan, and steer well-clear of pointless speculations and polarizing debates. That's really what Christianity is about (1 Timothy 1:3-7).

If you are interested to know more about Christianity, this is a good little pocket-sized booklet to help with that:


[url=http://www.adonai-reigns.life/booklets/the-gospel] [/URL]
 

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Hi there Jordan! Wow, you've got lots of answers already, but my heart feels that you've not really gotten what you had hoped to find. You seem to be quite new to Christianity, and you've wandered along here, to find yourself amongst a number of people who are advanced in their pursuit of it. You have been given simple answers to your question, but you seem to be the sort of person who craves to understand why this question even exists.

So here is another question that I would like to suggest for you to consider:

"Who wrote the creation account in Genesis, and where did that information originate?"

As far as I know, there is not yet any incontrovertible answer to that question. The information that could answer that question has been lost to public knowledge, and that forces us to conclude that any belief a person may form regarding the Genesis creation accounts, is speculative in absence of that information.

It further demonstrates that a belief, whether for or against it's literal meaning, is wholly based upon assumption. The person believing that it either is or isn't literally true, has made a commitment to that belief without having tangible proof, and most likely this is in order to support a predetermined bias, or to quell peer pressure.

I encourage you, in light of this, to consider the implications of believing the various possibilities for the origin of Genesis 1 & 2.

1. Possibly, Adam and Eve were the original witnesses, and have transmitted their knowledge by communications through a handful of generations (see the attached photocopy), until Israel became enslaved in Egypt. Then there was ~160 years before Moses led the Exodus and the Genesis Scriptures were penned. It is also possible that older, more authentic, physical records could have existed at that time (eg Adam might have written some cuneiform etc).

2. Possibly, Moses (or some other writer) had received this information by divine revelation (eg, through prayer).

3. Possibly, the stories evolved as campfire tales, being a mythology of Israel's origin, that came to be taken so seriously that their faith was based upon them.

Obviously, the implications of each possible reality has a huge impact on one's regard for the accounts, the nature of their faith, their characterisation of God, etc. For example, if these were true eye-witness accounts, it causes serious questions about the supposed contradiction of scientific theories. If these were campfire mythology, then one will view it as a more philosophical story of the nature of God and man. Certainly the writer of Genesis has intended for it to be taken seriously and not mythically (Genesis 5), but has not disclosed the source of his information.

For this reason, I always suggest that it is most wise and reliable, to keep an open mind so as to not exclude any possible truths, until such time as we can be certain who did write those accounts and where they got their information. Otherwise, one is taking the risk of making untrue statements in God's name, without really being justified or required to do so. The discerning inquirer will rightfully dismiss that person's belief as irrational, and form an impression of that person's character, as being irrational.

Keep searching for God's friendship, Jordan, and steer well-clear of pointless speculations and polarizing debates. That's really what Christianity is about (1 Timothy 1:3-7).

If you are interested, this is a little pocket-sized booklet that I have been putting together to help people come to understand what Christianity is about: http://www.adonai-reigns.life/booklets/the-gospel
I like the idea of the information transfer by word of mouth over several generations. When people lived to be 500 years old or more, the word of mouth from eye witnesses can span milleniums.

Think of it this way. I am 54 years old. I live in the 21st century. My Grandfather, whom I was privileged to know, was born in 1880. His grandfather was born in the early 1800's.

So, if my great great grandfather saw something and was an eye witness in say 1820 and told His grandson, my grandfather, then my grandfather told me, and I tell my grandson in 2020. That would be the third person from the original person who was the eye witness in 200 years.

Now, imagine if the lifespan was 700 years instead of 70. That's 10 times the years. Therefore what Adam saw at the beginning of time could be told to the third person from the original eye witness 2000 years later. If the lifespan was 800 years that expands it even more. And that is just third hand info.
 
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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?
Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?
Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?
Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?

The answer isn't simple because there are 2.2 billion Christians, and they all believe different things. I'm a Christian. I can't speak for Christians, I can only speak for me.

The answer to your questions still is not simple, because I have two sets of answers: Yes to all four, and No to all four. I consider that there are two distinct sets of possibilities. One is the Standard Theory. I think it is well-reasoned and that its proponents present good evidence. Based on the Standard Theory I would answer "Yes" to all of those questions.

The other possibility is theistic creation, as described in Genesis 1 and 2. I have read that carefully, in direct Hebrew and literal translation, and also in the original pictographs, which form sentences of each word. That is also an internally consistent proposition for the origin of the world, and it implies, for the living part of the world anyway, a much more recent date of purposeful creation (the Standard Theory posits purposeless creation and order arising from randomness.

I see the facts of each of the positions that conflict with the facts of the other one. I find each a plausible explanation of how God made the world. Which do I believe? Well, both, really. I don't have a basis on which to form a final judgment, so I allow them to both co-exists as distinct and real possibilities. And as the answer to the questions has absolutely no practical effect whatsoever on any aspect of human life anywhere, my resolute indecision is, I believe, by far, the most true, realistic and factually supported answer. I don't know, and I know that nobody has the facts TO know, so Yes and No is my answer.

And now neither side is satisfied. But that's because both are wrong in their certitude of that of which we can't be certain, over an issue that is of no practical concern. It's an argument of the same importance as the age old question of "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" And the only CORRECT answer to that is "A number n, such that n is greater than or equal to zero".
 
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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?
Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?
Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?
Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?
You are assuming that "Christians" are a monolithic group that agree on all subjects.
I would say yes to all 4, the fundie next door would say no to all 4.

BTW Neanderthals died out about 35 thousand years ago, the last remnants lived in Spain.
 
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You are assuming that "Christians" are a monolithic group that agree on all subjects.
I would say yes to all 4, the fundie next door would say no to all 4.

BTW Neanderthals died out about 35 thousand years ago, the last remnants lived in Spain.

Their cousins live on, as Basques like me. Hoo-hoo-hoo. Grunt.
 
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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?
Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?
Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?
Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?

Here are my answers, and I do have degrees in both physics and engineering, so I am not your average idiot (just an abnormal one). And I have studied this topic.

Answer to question 1: time is relative. In other words, though I believe all parts of the universe were created at the same time, the lapse of time from the creation has likely been anything but uniform across the universe. If this hurts your head, don't worry, it hurts mine too.

Answer to question 2: I believe God began the universe with a 'big bang'.

Answer to question 3: see answer to question 1. And in particular, no! The earth is not 4.5 million years old. It is more like 8 thousand years old.

Answer to question 4: No. The earth is young, relatively speaking.

You are asking questions for which science has no solid answers. There is much data which suggests that the universe is actually very young. Do some research.
 
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I would love to get simply yes/no answers on these 4 questions to get some insight in how Christians view science.

Do Christians believe the universe has existed for 13 billion years?
Do Christians believe the Big Bang happened, and was the beginning of everything within the universe?
Do Christians believe that earth has existed for 4.5 billion years?
Do Christians believe neanderthals were living on earth 500,000 years ago?

Hello Jordan,and welcome to CF! :)

As to the answer to your question, there will be different replies across Christianity. Each one can be answered as "some do, some do not".

That won't really tell you how Christians interact with science either, as there are a variety of ways in which they will defend their answers.

But I do want to welcome you to CF, and if you need any help finding your way around or have questions about how things work here, please let us know, and we will be glad to help. :)

Again, welcome!


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