Christians.. desecrating the Sabbath

[Thekla]

Galatians 3:24-25 - "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

sorry to butt in, but thought this might be of interest: the paidagogos was often a slave charged with keeping an eye on the students on the way to and from school.

EDIT:

Teachers in ancient Greece only educated boys. Girls were educated at home by their mothers. Boys from well-to-do families were sent to school around the age of seven. In Sparta, boys at the age of seven were sent to a city-run military school and stayed in the barracks. In other city-states, each boy was accompanied by a slave called a paidogogos. The slave’s job was to insure the child’s good behavior. A grammatist taught reading, writing, and simple math. For education in music, a ketharistes taught his students how to play the lyre and an instrument that resembled the oboe. An instructor called a palaestra taught physical education. Most evidence suggests that teachers were poorly paid in early Greece, and they had a low status in society.

from here:

http://www.historylink102.com/greece3/jobs-teachers.htm

 

[ThomasDa]

celluna, post #173; Why the reference to the Jews? Do you think God has one standard for Jews and a differen standards for others? God said that He is no respector persons. God says He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

At the moment that the curtain of the Temple was torn in two, from top to bottom.

And the Temple did not last much longer.

How is the Sabbath linked to that? The tearing of the temple in two has nothing to do with the Sabbath but has everything to do with the ceremonial and earthly sanctuary system.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

I made the point before and i will make it again. The Sabbath was supposed to be for God's chosen people who were the jews before but God's chosen people now consist of anyone who accepts Christ. The Sabbath is for God's chosen people now. Everyone tries to brand the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ. If the Sabbath is a shadow of Christ then why did Christ intend for the Sabbath to be kept after his ascension as he revealed when he spoke about the destruction of Jerusalem. If the Sabbath is a shadow of Christ then why does God intend that in the new heaven and new earth all flesh will worship him every Sabbath. No one pays attention to this because they are so drowned in their own belief. Why doesn't someone answer these questions.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Ok, so the Jews have to keep a Sabbath. But as there are none who can prove themselves Jews, none have to keep it.

The Sabbath is for God's chosen people who happened to be Jews before. And as a matter of fact anyone who claims to accept Jesus is a Jew. But not one outwardly but one inwardly. If any man be Christ's he is Abrahams seed and therefore he is a Jew. Not a physical Jew but a spiritual Jew.

 

[MamaZ]

The Sabbath is for God's chosen people who happened to be Jews before. And as a matter of fact anyone who claims to accept Jesus is a Jew. But not one outwardly but one inwardly. If any man be Christ's he is Abrahams seed and therefore he is a Jew. Not a physical Jew but a spiritual Jew.

For in Christ there is neither..

 

[calluna]

If the Sabbath is a shadow of Christ then why did Christ intend for the Sabbath to be kept after his ascension as he revealed when he spoke about the destruction of Jerusalem. If the Sabbath is a shadow of Christ then why does God intend that in the new heaven and new earth all flesh will worship him every Sabbath. No one pays attention to this because they are so drowned in their own belief. Why doesn't someone answer these questions.

A 'sabbath' was kept by Jews after the ascension. The 'sabbaths' in heaven are obviously metaphorical, as the associated mention of new moons indicates. The meaning is actually of a continuous sabbath, made possible by sacrifice (new moons), and is prophetic indication of the true sabbath made possible by the sacrifice of Christ. It means exactly the opposite of that hoped for by weekly sabbatarians, some of whom should perhaps take note of verse 24. Some think it perfectly acceptable to use one part of Scripture against another, and make God a liar in their own greedy interests.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

For in Christ there is neither..

If the death reigned from Adam to Moses, did death take a holiday after Moses came? This passage is pretty unique:

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Romans 5:14 But reigns the death from Adam until Moses and upon the ones no sinning upon the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of the being-about/mellontoV <3195> (5723).

2 Timothy 4:1 Thru-witnessing then I, before the GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ, of the being-about/mellontoV <3195> (5723) to be judging/krinein <2919> (5721) living and dead, according as the appearance/manifestation/epifaneian <2015> of Him and the Kingdom of Him

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7131625
2 Timothy 4:1 translation

 

[PROPHECYKID]

A 'sabbath' was kept by Jews after the ascension.

The same Sabbath was kept. No change.

The 'sabbaths' in heaven are obviously metaphorical, as the associated mention of new moons indicates. The meaning is actually of a continuous sabbath, made possible by sacrifice (new moons), and is prophetic indication of the true sabbath made possible by the sacrifice of Christ. It means exactly the opposite of that hoped for by weekly sabbatarians, some of whom should perhaps take note of verse 24. Some think it perfectly acceptable to use one part of Scripture against another, and make God a liar in their own greedy interests.

And from one Sabbath to another sounds very literal to me. The problem is that when you decide to include the 7th day Sabbath as something nailed to the cross you have to twist the meaning of many texts to support that.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

For in Christ there is neither..

Their is neither in the physical sense. God sees no nationality as superior or has a bias to a certain race. There is neither jew or Greek all are equal before God. But the bible maintains that as Paul said one can be an inward Jew because he becomes Abraham's seed when he accepts Christ.

 

[MamaZ]

Their is neither in the physical sense. God sees no nationality as superior or has a bias to a certain race. There is neither jew or Greek all are equal before God. But the bible maintains that as Paul said one can be an inward Jew because he becomes Abraham's seed when he accepts Christ.

Paul said we could become an inward Jew? We are the of the seed of Abraham. The Father of Promise.. Now are you trying to say to me that a gentile becomes a Jew when they are born of the Spirit of God? Where in scripture are you reading this?

 

[calluna]

A 'sabbath' was kept by Jews after the ascension.

The same Sabbath was kept. No change.

The rebel Jews liked to think so, no doubt.

The 'sabbaths' in heaven are obviously metaphorical, as the associated mention of new moons indicates. The meaning is actually of a continuous sabbath, made possible by sacrifice (new moons), and is prophetic indication of the true sabbath made possible by the sacrifice of Christ. It means exactly the opposite of that hoped for by weekly sabbatarians, some of whom should perhaps take note of verse 24. Some think it perfectly acceptable to use one part of Scripture against another, and make God a liar in their own greedy interests.

And from one Sabbath to another sounds very literal to me.

Does that say more about you than the text? Do you have an objective point to make?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

The rebel Jews liked to think so, no doubt.

Does that say more about you than the text? Do you have an objective point to make?

You have been avoiding certain texts and points cleverly. Why don't you tell me why Jesus still indicated that the Sabbath would be important long after his ascension with the destruction of Jerusalem. Why don't you prove to me how the Sabbath was linked to the renting of the veil of the temple in 2. Why don't you tell me why Paul who grew up a Roman made it his manner to be in the synagogue on the Sabbath.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

I think it is a shame that the one commandment everyone wants to forget is the only one that says "Remember".

 

[calluna]

You have been avoiding certain texts and points cleverly.

Prove it.

Why don't you tell me why Jesus still indicated that the Sabbath would be important long after his ascension with the destruction of Jerusalem.

Because I don't need to. The same goes for all your questions.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Prove it.


Because I don't need to. The same goes for all your questions.

There is your proof.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Paul said we could become an inward Jew? We are the of the seed of Abraham. The Father of Promise.. Now are you trying to say to me that a gentile becomes a Jew when they are born of the Spirit of God? Where in scripture are you reading this?

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Abraham is the father of the Jewish nation. If you become his seed then you have become a jew. Not in the physical sense. You have been grafted into Abraham's family through adoption. The New Covenant was made with the Jews and not with the gentiles. That is why when a man accepts Christ he has to become Abraham's seed to be able to ba apart of the new covenant. If you don't want to see yourself as an inward Jew that is ok but at least you should believe that you are Abraham's seed.

 

[calluna]

There is your proof.

Falsehood.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Falsehood.

You know what I am sorry. Can we start over?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Abraham is the father of the Jewish nation

And also the Lost Sheep of Israel.

The OC Judeans have to come and bow before the NC Israel of Jesus [US]. Abraham is the Spiritual Father of ALL NATIONS/PEOPLES that come to Christ.

So you are saying I and others should call ourselves JEWS now? I am not even from Judah or Judea!!!!

Luke 16:26 And on all of these, between Us [NC Faith/Life/Israel?] and Ye [OC Law/Death/Judah/Levi] a great chasm hath been established, so that those willing to cross-over hence toward ye not be able to, no yet thence toward us may be ferrying/diaperwsin <1276>.

Matthew 21:43 Therefore I am saying to ye, that shall be being taken-away/arqhsetai <142> (5701) from Ye [Judah/Levi?] the Kingdom of the God, and it shall be being given to a Nation [Israel/Gentiles?] doing the fruits of it.