Christians.. desecrating the Sabbath

[NorrinRadd]

the FOURTH COMMANDMENT: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.


Ex 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.


Ex 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.

Ex 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


Ex 31:14 " ‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.

Lev 23:3 " ‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.

Dt 5:12 "Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you.


Ne 13:17 I rebuked the nobles of Judah and said to them, "What is this wicked thing you are doing—desecrating the Sabbath day?


Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this, the man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil."

Mt 12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

************************************

So the Sabbath is Saturday.. or From Friday Evening till Saturday Evening..

CLEARLY... God wants us to keep the Sabbath holy.. not Sunday which we worship on because of the believed ressurection of Jesus.

SO... why as Christians do we consistantly break one of the Ten Commandments and NOT preach this to our bretheren??

Why do we decide this commandment is negotiable? Did GOD change his mind about the Sabbath? Do we know better than GOD?

We can say Jesus worked on the Sabbath.. but HE HEALED AND PREACHED on the Sabbath.. He wasn't doing carpentry!

You neatly cited Matt. 12:8 without the context of 12:1-7. 12:7 sums up the "Sabbatarian" views of Jesus which led to His assertion in 12:8.

Mat 12:7 And if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless.


Mark 2 provides a parallel account of the occasion, and Mark, prior to recording the "Lord of the Sabbath" proclamation, sums up the preceding verses and leads into the proclamation this way:

Mar 2:27 And he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.


That attitude takes a lot of the steam out of legalistic, Judaizing Sabbatarianism, and sets the stage for Paul to explicitly and repeatedly teach that under the New Covenant, there is no special "holy" day of the week, whether a "sabbath" or anything else.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

It was a shadow of the rest from works that Christians enter through faith.

Then why did was it Paul's manner to keep it. Why did Jesus want it to be kept after his ascension. Did you see the texts that i posted. Do they not mean anything? The bible does not tell us what you are trying to say. It is twisted scripture.

Even while Moses gave the Law, God provided that broad hint that salvation was to be through faith. The Israelites were never to forget Abraham, who is forgotten far too often today.

Actually salvation was always through faith. Israel believed that performing all those ordinances and sacrifices will justify them before God. That was faith.

'If Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; because anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, be eager to enter that rest, so that no-one will fall by following their example of disobedience.' Hebrews 4:8-11

It is amazing for you to come up with the conclusion that you came up with after quoting this text. For the majority of this chapter and chapter 3 the rest that was spoken about was not the Sabbath rest but the rest that was promised to israel in the promised land. That is the rest that they did not enter because of unbelief.

Heb 3:16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
Heb 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Num 14:7 And they spoke unto all the company of the children of Israel, saying, The land, which we passed through to search it, is an exceeding good land.
Num 14:8 If the LORD delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it us; a land which floweth with milk and honey.
Num 14:9 Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their defense is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: fear them not.
Num 14:10 But all the congregation bade stone them with stones. And the glory of the LORD appeared in the tabernacle of the congregation before all the children of Israel.
Num 14:11 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have showed among them?

This chapter along with chapter 3 references the rest that the children of Israel was supposed to enter into in the promise land. They did not believe and they had to spend 40 more years in the wilderness and they could not enter into that rest. God had to speak about another day because the first time around Joshua could not give them rest since they did not believe. You must study this chapter along with that story to get a better picture.

Its often seems like any texts i quote are in vain. Whats about the destruction of Jerusalem occurring in 70AD, when God said to pray that ur escape not be on the Sabbath day. Why did that matter to him? He obviously expected the Sabbath to be honoured after he went back to heaven.
​

 

[calluna]

When was the sacredness of the Sabbath removed?

At the moment that the curtain of the Temple was torn in two, from top to bottom.

And the Temple did not last much longer.

 

[BrightCandle]

Hardly- most people take not one, but two days off work! And the seven day week in the West is not of divine origin. It is not necessary. It may have been deliberately engineered by the Roman Empire to facilitate false Christianity. It has much more affinity with circumcising Jews than Christians, and associations with paganism.

1300 years, for about 0.01% of the world population, at a rough guess.

Only for God, not for man.

Yes, most Americans have Saturday and Sunday off, but when I used the word secular that includes working on your house, your car, your taxes, and secular activities like sports and movies. When you keep the Sabbath day holy those types of activities are excluded.

Do you read your Bible? The 7 day week has its origin right in the book of Genesis, chapter and 1 and 2! In fact, the 7 day week does not have any relation to planetary rotations as do the day and month.

Read the text of Genesis and the text of Exodus 20 dealing with the Sabbath and note how the Genesis text is almost quoted verbatim in the text of the Sabbath Commandment in Exodus 20 as a basis of its origin. Additionally, in the Gospels Jesus clearly stated that the Sabbath was "made for man (mankind)", and that would include us!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

At the moment that the curtain of the Temple was torn in two, from top to bottom.

And the Temple did not last much longer.

Matthew 24:1 And coming out, the Jesus went forth from the Temple, and came toward the Disciples of Him to show to him the buildings of the Temple

Matthew 26:3 Then were gathered together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, to the Court/aulhn <833> of the chief priest who was called Caiaphas;

Reve 11:2 and the Court, the-one with-out of-the Sanctuary, be Casting Out/ekbale <1544> (5628) out-side/exw <1854> and not her you should be measuring, that she was given to the nations.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7164949&page=2
DO NOT WEEP!!!!! The Great City

 

[calluna]

Yes, most Americans have Saturday and Sunday off, but when I used the word secular that includes working on your house, your car, your taxes, and secular activities like sports and movies.

Sports and movies are not 'frenetic work and stress'. Many people loaf around for two days. Some do it pretty well all the time. There was some point to this argument when working hours were far longer than they are now, but it is not divine command to take a break. It's just practical common sense. And who knows, it may make more economic sense to have a four-day week for some, three on, one off. Or five-day, three on, two off. Nothing is carved in stone, and never was, for any but a few Israelites.

When you keep the Sabbath day holy those types of activities are excluded.

How many in the USA switch off refrigeration, air conditioning, heating, lighting, computers, security systems, gadgets and vehicles for 24 hrs in 168?

Do you read your Bible? The 7 day week has its origin right in the book of Genesis, chapter and 1 and 2!

Where, please?

Consider the possibility that, for the Israelites, God adapted an existing secular practice, one that could have easily been a period of six or eight days, and there is nothing special about the number seven. The 7-day week probably owes its origin to the fact that the lunar cycle of 28 days is divided by four exactly.

in the Gospels Jesus clearly stated that the Sabbath was "made for man (mankind)",

Not all of them.

 

[WailingWall]

Hi. I have a question. Why did Jesus come to the Judeans and Lost Sheep of Israel for?

Hi LittleLambofJesus
Heres a few scripture to answer your question

MATT.18 [11] For the Son of man is come to SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST. [12] How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?[13] And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

The Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

MATT.15 [22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.[24] But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.

I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus Himself said that

JER.50 [4] In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.[5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in A PERPETUAL COVENANT that shall not be forgotten.[6] MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTINGPLACE.

My people hath been lost sheep
they have forgotten their restingplace (they sure have)
let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten (remember the…)

If you do not believe these scriptures you might not be one of those lost sheep Jesus said He came for

In Jeremiah we can find the sheep that Jesus came for. The remnant of the lost 10 tribes of the children of Israel ! Have the many been decieved, just as the new testament says. The sabbath rest has been forgotten, but as you can see, the lost sheep that Jesus came for will return to the “perpetual covenant” and keep Gods sabbath day. Aint it outstanding how the Word of God all comes together. In Jer.50 you find the words “they have forgotten their restingplace” and the 4th commandment begins with “remember the sabbath”.

EXODUS 31[15] Six days may work be done; but in THE SEVENTH IS THE SABBATH of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for aPERPETUAL COVENANT.[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Is this a huge trillion to one coincidence? If you have a KJV bible you will find the words “PERPETUAL COVENANT” only in these 2 scriptures. Jer. 50 and Exodus 31. Exodus 31 speaks of the sabbath as a “perpetual covenant” and Jer.50 speaks of that “perpetual covenant” being forgotten by His people. In the new testament Jesus told us that he was Lord of the sabbath day. So if Jesus is Lord of the sabbath rest why would anyone wanna keep a different day of rest?

Aint the Word of God great!

 

[WailingWall]

JEREMIAH 50 [4] IN THOSE DAYS, and in that time, saith the Lord, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the Lord their God. [5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. [6] MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: THEY HAVE GONE FROM MOUNTAIN TO HILL, THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTINGPLACE.

ISAIAH 2 [2] And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, that the mountain of THE LORD'S HOUSE SHALL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAINS, AND SHALL BE EXALTED ABOVE THE HILLS; and all nations shall flow unto it. [3] And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for OUT OF ZION SHALL GO FORTH THE LAW, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

In Jer.50 we see how Gods people went from the mountains to the hills and had forgotten their restingplace? The sabbath. But in the above scripture it says “in the last days” the Lords house will be established on the top of the mountains and exalted above the hills. Jer.50 [5] aslo says that Gods people (the lost sheep Jesus said He came for) will return to His sabbath.

 

[WailingWall]

Just more good stuff i found

JEREMIAH 23 – LOST SHEEP
[20] The anger of the Lord shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: IN THE LATTER DAYS ye shall consider it perfectly.
[26] How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; [27] Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have FORGOTTEN MY NAME FOR BAAL.
[28] The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the CHAFF TO THE WHEAT? saith the Lord. [29] Is not MY WORD LIKE AS A FIRE? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
[32] Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by THEIR LIES, and by THEIR LIGHTNESS; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore THEY SHALL NOT PROFIT THIS PEOPLE AT ALL, saith the Lord.
[36] And the burden of the Lord shall ye mention no more: for EVERY MAN'S WORD SHALL BE HIS BURDEN; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the Lord of hosts our God.
[39] Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence: [40] And I will bring an EVERLASTING REPROACH upon you, and a PERPETUAL SHAME, which shall NOT BE FORGOTTEN.

Lookin through Jer.23 we find that in the latter days there will be prophets that decieve Gods people and cause them to follow the practices of baal. baal of course is worshipped on the day of the sun.

JER.23[28-29] What is the chaff to the wheat? Is not my word like as a fire?

LUKE 3 [16] John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: [17] Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will GATHER THE WHEAT into his garner; but the CHAFF HE WILL BURN WITH FIRE unquenchable.

JER.23[36] every man's word shall be his burden

MATTHEW 12 [36] But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. [37] FOR BY THY WORDS THOU SHALT BE JUSTIFIED, AND BY THY WORDS THOU SHALT BE CONDEMNED.

JER.23[40] The EVERLASTING reproach?

LEV.24 [8] EVERY SABBATH he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.

JER.23[40] The PERPETUAL shame, which shall NOT BE FORGOTTEN?

JEREMIAH 50 [5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and LET US JOIN OURSELVES TO THE LORD IN A PERPETUAL COVENANT THAT SHALL NOT BE FORGOTTEN. [6] My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Like i said before, the scriptue below is the only other place you will find the words “perpetual covenant” in the KJV. Coincidence, a billion to one shot, or the beauty and greatness of the WORD of God. Jesus said He was comin to get those “lost sheep” and they will keep His “perpetual covenant”

EXODUS 31[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for aPERPETUAL COVENANT.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Is this a huge trillion to one coincidence? If you have a KJV bible you will find the words &#8220;PERPETUAL COVENANT&#8221; only in these 2 scriptures. Jer. 50 and Exodus 31. Exodus 31 speaks of the sabbath as a &#8220;perpetual covenant&#8221; and Jer.50 speaks of that &#8220;perpetual covenant&#8221; being forgotten by His people. In the new testament Jesus told us that he was Lord of the sabbath day. So if Jesus is Lord of the sabbath rest why would anyone wanna keep a different day of rest?

Hi. Well I picked Thursday for my day of sabbath rest is that ok?

Deut 28:28 `And YHWH shall smite thee in-madness, and in-blindness, and in-astonishment of heart;
29 and thou become groping at noon-tides, as which the blind-one is groping in-gloom; and not thou will prosper ways of you; and thou becomes yea, being extorted and being plundered all of the days, and there is no one saving.

Reve 16:10 And the fifth one pours out the bowl of him on the throne of the wild-beast, and became the Kingdom of it having been Darkened/eskotwmenh <4656> (5772) and they gnawed the tongues of them out of the misery. [Zeph 1/Deut 28 OC LAW?]

 

[ticker]

When was the sacredness of the Sabbath removed?

You mean, removed for Christians? ...when Jesus decided to finish the work He came here for.

Why is this even a discussion? It's the basis of Christianity, friend.

 

[JimfromOhio]

1. Grace versus Legalism in Sabbath
2. Method of Sabbath system
3. Obedience versus heart
4. Heart versus action
5. Much more.

I have learned and believe that the Old Testament regulations governing Sabbath observances were ceremonial. The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.

Everyday, we are to worship and fellowship. Only one day a week, we are to REST from our daily activities (of the 7th day of our working cycle). We need to remember that the legal issue is not the Sabbath anymore but Grace of practice. Grace is about loving other people that we have the freedom to do so but at the same time, respect how they practice their beliefs. In Romans 14:5 "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." 1 Corinthians 10:28-29 "both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake, the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience?" Everyone will have different view based on their "convictions".

We are to be careful of those who practice "Sabbath" differently than other Christians. In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath). In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers).

 

[WailingWall]

I have learned and believe that the Old Testament regulations governing Sabbath observances were ceremonial. The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.

Hello OhioJim
So are the other 9 commandments also ceremonial? As for Hebrews 8

HEBREWS 8 [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [13] In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, HE HATH MADE THE FIRST OLD. NOW THAT WHICH DECAYETH AND WAXETH OLD IS READY TO VANISH AWAY.

Everytime I bring up scripture proving that christians are to obey God and keep His commandments, I always hear the same argument. The “many” will say, that scripture is not for christians, its for the house of Israel (the 10 scattered tribes) and the house of Judah (the jews). Bring up the above scripture (Hebrews 8), which clearly states its to the house of Israel and the house of Judah and the “many” will claim it for the gentiles. I don’t see a gentile mentioned anywhere. So whats the story? That being said....

All seem to agree. This covenant arrived with the crucified Christ. So the 10 commandments are still in effect for the believer according to Hebrews 8. Hebrews 8 was written AFTER the crucified Christ and the scripture clearly says that the old covenant (10 commandments) is waxing old and GETTING READY to vanish. Aint vanished yet! Are there any other scriptures that say the law is to be written on our heart and yet WE ARE TO BE KEEPING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS?

PROVERBS 7 [1] My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee. [2] KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, and live; and MY LAW as the apple of thine eye. [3] Bind them upon thy fingers, WRITE THEM UPON THE TABLE OF THINE HEART.

Yup

When does Hebrews 8 come to completion?

EZEKIEL 36 [24] For I will take you from among the heathen, and GATHER YOU OUT OF ALL COUNTRIES, AND WILL BRING YOU INTO YOUR OWN LAND. [25] Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. [26] A NEW HEART also will I give you, and A NEW SPIRIT will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. [27] And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. [28] And ye shall dwell in the land that i gave to your fathers; and YE SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE YOUR GOD.

DEUT. 30 [4] If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will THE LORD THY GOD GATHER THEE, and from thence will he fetch thee: [5] And the Lord THY GOD WILL BRING THEE INTO THE LAND WHICH THY FATHERS POSSESSED, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. [6] And the Lord THY GOD WILL CIRCUMCISE THINE HEART, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. [7] And the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee. [8] And THOU SHALT RETURN AND OBEY THE VOICE OF THE LORD, AND DO ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS which I command thee this day.

The 1000 yr period of rest. Yes.... that would be the 10 commandments. Including the 4th

 

[WailingWall]

We are to be careful of those who practice "Sabbath" differently than other Christians. In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath).

Jim
Including the sabbath? Are you adding to the Word of God Jim? Not a good idea. Youve had your say. Lets see what the WORD of God says about Galatians 4.

GAL.4 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?[10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

DEUT.18 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Seems to be speakin of those who use horoscopes?

2 CHR.33 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Anyways, nothing to do away with Gods sabbath day. Seems to have something to do with the occult.

LEV.19 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

When does Hebrews 8 come to completion?

I am of the view it already was fulfilled Of course the Jews do not believe it was fulfilled but eventually they will.

Hebrew 8:10 That this the Covenant/diaqhkh <1242> which I shall be Covenanting/diaqhsomai <1303> (5695) to the House of Israel after the days, those, is saying Lord. Giving laws of Me into the thru-Minds of them, and upon Hearts of them I shall be upon-scribing/epigrayw <1924> (5692) them. And I shall be to them into an Elohiym, and they, they shall be to Me into a People. [Jeremiah 31:33/Hebrew 10:16]

Reve 16:17 and the seventh one pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out a Voice, great, out of the Sanctuary from the Throne saying :it-has-Become/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Revelation 21:6]

 

[WailingWall]

You mean, removed for Christians? ...when Jesus decided to finish the work He came here for.

Why is this even a discussion? It's the basis of Christianity, friend.

I dont believe the basis of Christianity is to break the 4th commandment. If you have scripture proving Jesus removed the sabbath please share.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I dont believe the basis of Christianity is to break the 4th commandment. If you have scripture proving Jesus removed the sabbath please share.

So what day would you have us celebrate it?

Hmm. Interesting. These greek words have different prefixes

Hebrews 4:3 For we are entering into the Rest/katapausin <2663>, the ones-believing. According to as He declared, "As I have sware in My wrath, if they shall be entering into the Rest/kata-pausin <2663> of Me" and-those the works from down-casting of world being become.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages. And not they are having Rest/ana-pausin <372> day and night

 

[WailingWall]

So what day would you have us celebrate it?

Well lloJ
If you really do not know which day Jesus created for His rest... Well...
TODAY if you hear His voice, harden not your heart.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well lloJ
If you really do not know which day Jesus created for His rest... Well...
TODAY if you hear His voice, harden not your heart.

My Heart is softer than a marshmellow

Mark 3:5 And looking about them with wrath, sorrowing on the hardening/pwrwsei <4457> of their heart, He saith unto the man, "Stretch forth thy hand"!. And he stretcheth it forth; and his hand was restored as the other.
6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against Him, how they might destroy Him.

Ephesians 4:18 Having been darkened the understanding, being alienated of the life of the God, thru the ignorance the being in them, thru the hardening/pwrwsin <4457> of their heart;