Christians.. desecrating the Sabbath

[~Wisdom Seeker~]

the FOURTH COMMANDMENT: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.


Ex 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.


Ex 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.

Ex 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


Ex 31:14 " ‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.

Lev 23:3 " ‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.

Dt 5:12 "Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you.


Ne 13:17 I rebuked the nobles of Judah and said to them, "What is this wicked thing you are doing—desecrating the Sabbath day?


Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this, the man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil."

Mt 12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

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So the Sabbath is Saturday.. or From Friday Evening till Saturday Evening..

CLEARLY... God wants us to keep the Sabbath holy.. not Sunday which we worship on because of the believed ressurection of Jesus.

SO... why as Christians do we consistantly break one of the Ten Commandments and NOT preach this to our bretheren??

Why do we decide this commandment is negotiable? Did GOD change his mind about the Sabbath? Do we know better than GOD?

We can say Jesus worked on the Sabbath.. but HE HEALED AND PREACHED on the Sabbath.. He wasn't doing carpentry!


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Jefell

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But the Sabbath is on Saturday. Do you mean to say that all churches that adopted the change over to Sunday are in violation of this commandment?

Do you observe the Sabbath on Saturday? And do you do so as the Hebrews did, from sundown to sundown, doing no work, walking everywhere, etc. ?

Just curious. Not confrontational.

 

[WailingWall]

But the Sabbath is on Saturday. Do you mean to say that all churches that adopted the change over to Sunday are in violation of this commandment?

Mark 7 [7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[WailingWall]

My Heart is softer than a marshmellow

Fresh out the bag or tried by fire on the branch.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Mark 7 [7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Sounds like that is talking about the Jews to me

Romans 11:25 For not I am willing ye to being ignorant/agnoein <50> brothers of the mystery, the-this, that no ye may be beside yourselves wise. That a callousness/hardening/pwrwsiV <4457> from part/acriV <891> to-the Israel has become until which the filling/plhrwma <4138> of-the Nations may be entering;

Hebrew 4:7 Again a certain He is defining a day today in David saying 'after so much time according as has been before declared today 'if ever His voice ye should be hearing, no should be stubborn/indurant/sklhrunhte <4645> (5725) thine hearts''

 

[~Wisdom Seeker~]

Well lloJ
If you really do not know which day Jesus created for His rest... Well...
TODAY if you hear His voice, harden not your heart.

Jesus created the Sabbath day for his rest? I'm sorry. But, that's not Biblically supported. The "10 commandments" were written by I Am and handed down to Moses, according to the book of Genesis.

The Bible just says God rested on the "Seventh Day". It doesn't say what day is the Seventh. The Hebrews observe it on Saturday. The scriptures that support the Sabbath were written for and to the Jews. Not the Gentiles or "protestants" if you want to be catholic about it.

That guy, you know his name, the one who tried to consolidate Christianity with paganism, changed the Sabbath day observance from Saturday to Sunday. So...

Who's in error? And what day is the Sabbath? And how are we, as Christians, not Jews, supposed to observe it, and when? If our whole church observes it on Sunday, are we all in error? Are we supposed to convert to Judaism so as to be able to observe it on the "right" day? Or is it still the right day, even though we observe it on Sunday, because some big wig way back when decided to change it? And what role does Jesus have in all this? Didn't he come to make our salvation about grace and not works anyway? What about all those lessons on hypocracy he preached to the Pharasee who observed the law to the letter, but who's souls were corrupt to the core?

Do you see why people might not have a definitive answer about this? Because there are too many people with too many opinions to know what is right.

I have to believe that God is bigger than this. And that it in reality is not a "Go to hell" issue with Him So...I'm not going to worry about it.

 

[~Wisdom Seeker~]

Mark 7 [7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Are you trying to be obtuse?

 

[WailingWall]

Jesus created the Sabbath day for his rest? I'm sorry. But, that's not Biblically supported. The "10 commandments" were written by I Am and handed down to Moses, according to the book of Genesis.

Yes

John 8 [58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Mark 2 [27] And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

John 1 [1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

So whats not biblical?

Were you thinking of Constantine.?

 

[WailingWall]

Are you trying to be obtuse?

No! Im only 10 pounds overweight!

 

[WailingWall]

If our whole church observes it on Sunday, are we all in error? Are we supposed to convert to Judaism so as to be able to observe it on the "right" day?

JOHN 10 [14] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [16] And OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, WHICH ARE NOT OF THIS FOLD: THEM ALSO I MUST BRING, and THEY SHALL HEAR MY VOICE; and there shall be ONE FOLD, and ONE SHEPHERD.

Hi Wisdom Seeker
Could you tell me who these "others" are?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes

John 8 [58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Mark 2 [27] And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

John 1 [1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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I would think this is a better translation of John 1:3 to better harmonize it with the End of the OC Age in Revelation.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

John 1:3 All-things thru Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) and apart-from Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) not-yet one-thing which has become/gegonen <1096> (5754). 4 In Him life was, and the Life was the Light of the men.

Reve 16:17 and the seventh one pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out a Voice, great, out of the Sanctuary from the Throne saying :it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Revelation 21:6]

Reve 21:6 And He said to me: "it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Reve 16:17
I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. I, to the one thirsting, shall be giving out of the spring of the water of the life gratuitously.

1096. ginomai a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):--

 

[Celticflower]

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."--Colossians 2:16 & 17

The ceremonial laws of the OT are here referred to as shadows because they symbolicallly depicted the coming of Christ; so any insistence on the observance of such ceremonies is a failure to recognize that their fulfillment has already taken place. (NIV study Bible notes)

 

[ThomasDa]

calluna post #146; The tearing of the veil represented giving us access to God the Father in a way not possible before that event. It did not have anything to do with changing or doing away with the Sabbath.

 

[calluna]

calluna post #146; The tearing of the veil represented giving us access to God the Father in a way not possible before that event. It did not have anything to do with changing or doing away with the Sabbath.

Ok, so the Jews have to keep a Sabbath. But as there are none who can prove themselves Jews, none have to keep it.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Jim
Including the sabbath? Are you adding to the Word of God Jim? Not a good idea. Youve had your say. Lets see what the WORD of God says about Galatians 4.

GAL.4 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?[10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

DEUT.18 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Seems to be speakin of those who use horoscopes?

2 CHR.33 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Anyways, nothing to do away with Gods sabbath day. Seems to have something to do with the occult.

LEV.19 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.

Truth is often prevented if Christianity is known as a legalistic system which cause a delusion of eternal life. Sabbath don't save you but grace does through Jesus Christ. Paul did have extensive education background regarding Jewish Laws that were very useful for God to use Paul when He wrote the letters of the New Testament. Through Paul's letters, we have learned GREAT doctrines who was very educated and at the same time very spiritual. Jesus gave us two commandments. We are to love God and others which summarizes the Ten Commandments. Romans 13:9 "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Ten Commandments are about LOVE. Christians do not look at the Ten Commandments as laws but Grace of Love. We are to LOVE God first (first 4 commandments) and we are to love one another (last 6 commandments).

You are welcomed to do your own "Sabbath" but don't expect us to follow the same beliefs as you do. Grace is about loving other people that we have the freedom to do so but at the same time, respect how they practice their beliefs. Only God can judge in area in our hearts, not how we behave as the Pharisees did.

 

[ticker]

I dont believe the basis of Christianity is to break the 4th commandment. If you have scripture proving Jesus removed the sabbath please share.

The basis of Christianity is that we came to die to the Law through Christ.

The entire Bible would have to be quoted to show how this all played out...do you know the story of the Bible?

 

[WailingWall]

I would think this is a better translation of John 1:3 to better harmonize it with the End of the OC Age in Revelation.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

John 1:3 All-things thru Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) and apart-from Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) not-yet one-thing which has become/gegonen <1096> (5754). 4 In Him life was, and the Life was the Light of the men.

Reve 16:17 and the seventh one pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out a Voice, great, out of the Sanctuary from the Throne saying :it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Revelation 21:6]

Reve 21:6 And He said to me: "it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Reve 16:17
I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. I, to the one thirsting, shall be giving out of the spring of the water of the life gratuitously.

1096. ginomai a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):--

I think i need an interpreter to interpret your interpretations. I did see something i recognized. The alpha and the omega.

ISAIAH 44 [6] Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I AM THE FIRST, AND I AM THE LAST; and beside me there is no God. [7] And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. [8] Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. [9] THEY THAT MAKE A GRAVEN IMAGE ARE ALL OF THEM VANITY; and their delectable things SHALL NOT PROFIT; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.

The First and the Last really hates those graven images you can easily spot in most american churches. Commandment number two. NO PROFIT THERE

ISAIAH 48 [12] Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I AM THE FIRST, I ALSO AM THE LAST. [13] Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. [14] All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans. [15] I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous. [16] Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I HAVE NOT SPOKEN IN SECRET from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. [17] Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am THE LORD THY GOD WHICH TEACHETH THEE TO PROFIT, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. [18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

In the old testament the First and the Last (the Holy One) (our Redeemer) tells us to keep the 10 commandments.

THERE IS PROFIT THERE

REV. 22 [13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, THE FIRST AND THE LAST. [14] BLESSED ARE THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

In the new testament the First and the Last (The Alpha and Omega) again tells us to keep the 10 commandments.

JEREMIAH 16 [14] Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; [15] But, THE LORD LIVETH, THAT BROUGHT UP THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FROM THE LAND OF THE NORTH, AND FROM ALL THE LANDS WHITHER HE HAD DRIVEN THEM: AND I WILL BRING THEM AGAIN INTO THEIR LAND THAT I GAVE UNTO THEIR FATHERS. [16] Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks. [17] For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes. [18] And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things. [19] O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, THE GENTILES SHALL COME UNTO THEE FROM THE ENDS OF THE EARTH, AND SHALL SAY, SURELY OUR FATHERS HAVE INHERITED LIES, VANITY, AND THINGS WHEREIN THERE IS NO PROFIT.

Seems that "many" gentiles have been decieved

The above scripture is for the LATTER DAYS, when Gods people are gathered together and brought to the land promised to their fore fathers. The 1000 year period of rest spoken of in Revelations. Seems that the “many” gentiles have taken the wrong path. NO PROFIT THERE

 

[blueguy]

Well, I believe that is old Testament, as far as legalism. Look at Pastors, they all work on Sunday. God wants us to rest and have a day of worship with Him

 

[WailingWall]

The basis of Christianity is that we came to die to the Law through Christ.

The entire Bible would have to be quoted to show how this all played out...do you know the story of the Bible?

Well, if you could just point out 1 scripture that says what you says the bible says i would be grateful. Just one.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well, if you could just point out 1 scripture that says what you says the bible says i would be grateful. Just one.

Will we be celebrating the Sabbath day in the new heaven and land?
I am beginning to view this as all fulfilled the more I study on the Greek in revelation.

Matthew 5:18 "For amen I am saying to ye, till ever may-be-passing-away/parelqh <3928> (5632) the Heaven and the Land, iota one or one horn not no may-be-passing-away/parelqh <3928> (5632) from the Law, till ever all shall-be-becoming/genhtai <1096> (5638) "

Reve 16:17 and the seventh one pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out Voice, great, out of the sanctuary from the throne saying :"it-has-become"/gegonen <1096> (5754).

Revelation 21:1 And I perceived a-Heaven, New, and a-Land, New, for the first heaven and the first land pass-away/parhlqen <3928> (5627)......
6 And He said to me:" it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Isaiah 65 and 66]

 

[ticker]

Well, if you could just point out 1 scripture that says what you says the bible says i would be grateful. Just one.

Well...here's one. But I don't think it'll win you over. I could give you another ten, but it seems your mind is already made up in regards to where you think we stand with the Law.

Bombs away!


Galatians 3:24-25 - "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."


There...

...but again, it's not about analyzing individual verses or going through a list of some rules. It's about understanding the whole story.