Christians.. desecrating the Sabbath

[LittleLambofJesus]

You need to understand the old and new covenant..

Here is the part that changed...

Nah. It is the Jews that have to understand it, not us, as JESUS brought the brand NEW Covenant to THEM and it is THEIR NC we are under. You are Jewish, so I suppose you can remain under their OLD Covenant if ya like

Jeremiah 31:33 That this the-Covenant/01285 b@riyth which I-shall-Cut with house-of Yisra'el after the-days, those, declaration-of YHWH.
I-give Law of Me in-within-them and-on heart-of-them I-shall-write-her. And-I-become to-them for-Elohiym, and-they they-shall-become to-Me for-people. [Hebrews 8:10/10:16]

Hebrew 8:10 That this the Covenant/diaqhkh <1242> which I shall be Covenanting/diaqhsomai <1303> (5695) to the House of Israel after the days, those, is saying Lord. Giving laws of Me into the minds of them and upon hearts of them I shall be engraving them. And I shall be to them into God and they shall be to Me into a People. [Jeremiah 31:33/Hebrew 10:16]

 

[MamaZ]

Keeping of the Law requires keeping of the whole law and not just a pick and choose catagory. So if you believe that we have to keep the sabbath as the OT times then you must also keep the whole of the law. I myself prefer to be a new creation in Christ Jesus who walks after the Spirit. And who is constantly being filled with the Holy Spirit in realtionship with God through Christ who lives in me through His Spirit and Who is the author and finisher of my faith. For I follow after the law of Faith.

 

[tulc]

I would say the this is something that you and the Lord should work on together..


Isa 58:13
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from
1.) doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and
2.) call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD,
3.) honourable; and shalt honour him,
4.) not doing thine own ways,
5.) nor finding thine own pleasure,
6.) nor speaking thine own words:

If you can do all those listed here from sunset friday night to sunset saturday night.... then you and the Lord have strong relationship that this world can not break.

...I try to do the above every day. I'm sorry, but the only difference I'm seeing, is we don't insist others are desecrating it (the Sabbath) simply because they go to Church on Sunday not Saturday. Not that anyone has come out and said that, it just seems to be the only thing left.
tulc(unless there was something else we were doing?)

 

[visionary]

Nah. It is the Jews that have to understand it, not us, as JESUS brought the brand NEW Covenant to THEM and it is THEIR NC we are under. You are Jewish, so I suppose you can remain under their OLD Covenant if ya like

Hebrew 8:10 That this the Covenant/diaqhkh <1242> which I shall be Covenanting/diaqhsomai <1303> (5695) to the House of Israel after the days, those, is saying Lord. Giving laws of Me into the minds of them and upon hearts of them I shall be engraving them. And I shall be to them into God and they shall be to Me into a People. [Jeremiah 31:33/Hebrew 10:16]

Not jewish, just one of God's people identify-able by the love for Yeshua and keeping the commandments... Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[visionary]

Keeping of the Law requires keeping of the whole law and not just a pick and choose catagory. So if you believe that we have to keep the sabbath as the OT times then you must also keep the whole of the law. I myself prefer to be a new creation in Christ Jesus who walks after the Spirit. And who is constantly being filled with the Holy Spirit in realtionship with God through Christ who lives in me through His Spirit and Who is the author and finisher of my faith. For I follow after the law of Faith.

So do I ... and my understanding is new testiment style.. eg...lust is adultry. Yeshua is Lord of the Sabbath.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not jewish, just one of God's people identify-able by the love for Yeshua and keeping the commandments... Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Yes, I have a study on Revelation and I view most of it fulfilled on OC "judah/israel". Now ya just have to convince the Orthodox Jews to read Revelation.

Luke 18:20 The commandments thou have known, no thou should be committing adultery, no thou should be murdering/foneushV <5407> (5661), no thou should be stealing, no thou should be bearing false witness. Be honouring thy father and thy mother.

James 5:6 Ye condemn, ye Murder/efoneusate <5407> (5656) the Righteous-One, not He is resisting to Ye.

Revelation 9:21 And not they reform out of the Murders/fonwn <5408> of them, nor out from their sorceries,...........

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7164949&page=2
DO NOT WEEP!!!!! The Great City

 

[MamaZ]

So do I ... and my understanding is new testiment style.. eg...lust is adultry. Yeshua is Lord of the Sabbath.

And because He is the Lord of the sabbath that when we enter into His new covenant we enter into His eternal rest. No more workings of the law for us. For we are now new creations created after Christ Jesus our Lord and we now live by faith not law..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

And because He is the Lord of the sabbath that when we enter into His new covenant we enter into His eternal rest. No more workings of the law for us. For we are now new creations created after Christ Jesus our Lord and we now live by faith not law..

So would you say those in Reve 14:11 are those under the OC who have not entered that rest? That is my view btw. Thoughts?

Hebrews 4:3 For we are entering into the Rest, the ones-believing. According to as He declared, "As I have sware in My wrath, if they shall be entering into the Rest of Me" and-those the works from down-casting of world being become. [Psalm 95:11]

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages. And not they are having Rest day and night

 

[MamaZ]

Rev 14:9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

 

[MamaZ]

I believe that it is all men that do not enter in through the blood of the Lamb

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I believe that it is all men that do not enter in through the blood of the Lamb

But remember also, JESUS was the symbolic "Passover lamb" of the Jews.

Exodus 12:7 "And they take from the blood, and they give on two of the jams and on the lintel on the houses which they shall eat him in them.
11 And as thus ye shall eat it/him. Waists of ye ones being girded, sandals of ye in feet of ye, and stick of ye in hand of ye. And you eat him in nervous-haste, passover/06453 pecach it to YHWH".

Matthew 26:2 Ye have known that after two days the passover/pasca <3957> is becoming, and the Son of the Man is being betrayed into the to be crucified.

 

[MamaZ]

I understand that LLOJ.. You and I have a difference of opinon when it comes to Revelation. But that does not mean we do not drink or eat from the same cup.. You believe it has already happened I believe it is yet to come.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I understand that LLOJ.. You and I have a difference of opinon when it comes to Revelation. But that does not mean we do not drink or eat from the same cup.. You believe it has already happened I believe it is yet to come.

Yeah, Revelation is a "toughy" alright. I view it as more of a change/consummation of Covnenants/Priesthood so my view is probably more "unique"