Christian Quantum Physics

[AV1611VET]

Still with me?

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I think he means that if you use science to prove the existence of God then the same rule applies to all supernatural beings. Since we know that you do not accept such things as fairies and pink unicorns; you always apply the "God doesn't count" so as not to be in a position to have to accept one or the other in their entirety.

Now for the trinity; Tiberius is right when he states "If A is equal to C, and if B is equal to C, then A and B must be equal to each other.

Two things which are equivalent to a third must also be equal to each other".

Elementary my dear AV, elementary!

You have forgotten, AV believes in unicorns
http://www.christianforums.com/t7472194/
I don't know whether or not he thinks they are pink.

 

[tanzanos]

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[AV1611VET]

You have forgotten, AV believes in unicorns
http://www.christianforums.com/t7472194/
I don't know whether or not he thinks they are pink.

I was going to mention that, but didn't.

Thanks for bringing it up --

 

[Tiberius]

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Non sequiter.

 

[sfs]

What you have heard Christians say is what I said. I said "The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God". The original formulation (in Greek) is 3 personas in 1 hypostasis or 3 personas in 1 ousia. The mother of ___ is you, the spouse of ____ is you, and the employee of ___ is you. Now, is the spouse the mother? Or is that an irrelevent question given the statements made?

Yes, the spouse is the mother. My wife is also the mother of my children, and my wife is also an economist. That's how we actually speak about someone and her roles, because it's one single person with multiple roles. But that's not how Christians talk about God. Now if you want to claim that the three persons of the trinity really are the same being, but in three different roles, that's fine with me, since I'm not a stickler for orthodoxy, but that is indeed Modalism. If on the other hand you want to claim that there are three persons in the trinity, that's also fine, but then your analogy breaks down.

 

[sfs]

All the physics I have read says what Wiccan_child stated: light is both a particle and a wave. In fact, there are experiments where both can be demonstrated at the same time. The Dual Nature of Light as Reflected in the Nobel Archives Scroll down to "Wave-particle duality demonstrated in one experiment".

You're confusing heuristics designed to explain physics with the content of physical theories. The theory that describes light in contemporary physics is quantum electrodynamics (or the Standard Model, if you want to be expansive). The statements of that theory provide the best description we have of the behavior of light, and nowhere in them will you find the statements "light is a particle" or "light is a wave". What light is, according to QED, is a quantized field, and it behaves as such according to the rules of quantum field theory. That behavior happens to be in some respects like the behavior of a classical wave, and in other respects like the behavior of a classical particle, but that does not mean that the theory actually incorporates either idea.

How do we know they are "inconsistent"?

We know they're inconsistent because that's how they're defined. Do you really think that "A is pink" and "A is invisible" were consistent in 1700, before we learned about electromagnetism, and then suddenly became inconsistent later?