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Excuse me...read it. It is EXACTLY what Lot did with his daughters. Perhaps you won't allow yourself to read it that way b/c it's something you don't agree with, therefore, it can't be. I don't have my bible with me, but I'm not sure how else you would take Lot saying to the visting angels.."take my daughters and make them women". Not only that, Moses asked God NOT to destory the city so I guess Moses supported homosexuals then? Since you seem to be a fundamentalist, and a literalist, I expected a little bit more from you...but you know how it goes...expecations only lead to disappointments....
Now I know that you must not have much in the way of reading comprehension skills. First, Lot did not throw his daughters to the crowd, let alone give them to the angels to rape. You do know who the angels were, don't you? Well, probably not, but let's just say that it's pretty blasphemous to call those 2 rapists. You'd better be real sure! :sick:
 
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Excuse me...read it. It is EXACTLY what Lot did with his daughters. Perhaps you won't allow yourself to read it that way b/c it's something you don't agree with, therefore, it can't be. I don't have my bible with me, but I'm not sure how else you would take Lot saying to the visting angels.."take my daughters and make them women". Not only that, Moses asked God NOT to destory the city so I guess Moses supported homosexuals then? Since you seem to be a fundamentalist, and a literalist, I expected a little bit more from you...but you know how it goes...expecations only lead to disappointments....
Abraham got God to agree that if God found 10 righteous people in the city, he would save it. God agreed. Well, we have Lot, his wife, his 2 virgin daughters. That's 4 people. He couldn't even talk his sons-in-law and married daughters into leaving. That's pathetic. Moses wouldn't be alive for another 600 years or so. He couldn't have talked to God about saving Sodom - Sodom was already brimstone! :D

Please read your Bible with some iota of understanding.
 
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It's funny how you use Leviticus to support your prejudice and condemnation of homosexuals, but I doubt you'd support the stoning of children or burning of witches, also supported by the Old Testament. Then again, with fundamentalists, you never know... :doh:

Fornication is the overwhelmingly majority of sexual sins, yet I don't hear fundamentalists ever condemning that. It's always against homosexuals, a very tiny minority.
I condemn fornication and adultery as well. They are as destructive but no one participating is saying that it's not sin!
 
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If I meant to speak about Abraham, I would have. I don't live and breath my bible in an obsessive way which makes for toxic thinking, so for that I apologize. You seem to know it by heart, but yet look how judgemental and hateful you are? Where was your learning while memorizing all your scriptures? Don't try to spin this and say otherwise. If God came down today and said homosexuality is perfectly fine..it was in my plan...you would most likely believe him to be a false god and think it was satan. Not to get into a whole other issue, but when we waited for Christ for ever, and when he was born, no one believed it was him and was born in a barn, in an animals manger. Then, when he grew and started to preach, we still didn't believe it was him and we crucified him. twice we didn't accept him. Would you possibly accept him a third time? If you're not about love which is strongest, and the center of all of what God is about...then you need to rethink things. I'm not going to go head to head with you on homosexuality, because your beliefs will never change. Nor will mine. That being said...step aside from it and don't let it turn your heart hateful and cold. Love my friend..love! Not some hippy sorta 60s thing...i'm talking about being brothers with your brothers..especially with those that aren't like you! That is where the proof is. embracing your friends are one thing, and its very easy with no thought. Embrace someone different than you...it teaches volumes. Peace.
I read this and don't know whether to laugh or cry. This is very basic Bible knowledge - doesn't take an obsessive scholar to understand these things!

What you don't seem to understand, Rick, is that it is your obsession and defensiveness which is the problem, not a lack of love on our part. We do love you. It's a shame you don't see that.
 
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I read this and don't know whether to laugh or cry. This is very basic Bible knowledge - doesn't take an obsessive scholar to understand these things!

What you don't seem to understand, Rick, is that it is your obsession and defensiveness which is the problem, not a lack of love on our part. We do love you. It's a shame you don't see that.

What unbelievers fail to see is that we Christians endure incessants attacks and attacks against our Lord to witness to them so they'll go to heaven. So what are their motives for trying to keep people from heaven? The notion that they are omniscient enough to claim that they are right and Jesus is wrong? :eek: So sorry, but until their motives become loving, then they are in no position to criticize the motives of Christians. :doh:
 
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I condemn fornication and adultery as well. They are as destructive but no one participating is saying that it's not sin!
So if you condemn them, and the overwhelming majority of humans commit at least one of those 2 sins, making it by far the worst of the sexual sins, why does homosexuality get far more attention from the fundamentalists?
 
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What unbelievers fail to see is that we Christians endure incessants attacks and attacks against our Lord to witness to them so they'll go to heaven. So what are their motives for trying to keep people from heaven? The notion that they are omniscient enough to claim that they are right and Jesus is wrong? :eek: So sorry, but until their motives become loving, then they are in no position to criticize the motives of Christians. :doh:
Unbelievers aren't allowed to post here, so I have no idea why your post is directed to them.
 
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Unbelievers aren't allowed to post here, so I have no idea why your post is directed to them.

Do you believe what GOD's says here,..

9 ¶ (LIT) Or do you not know that unjust ones will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be led astray, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor abusers, nor homosexuals,

10 (LIT) nor thieves, nor covetous ones, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor plunderers shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Or are you still picking and choosing what you wish to believe?
 
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What unbelievers fail to see is that we Christians endure incessants attacks and attacks against our Lord to witness to them so they'll go to heaven. So what are their motives for trying to keep people from heaven? The notion that they are omniscient enough to claim that they are right and Jesus is wrong? :eek: So sorry, but until their motives become loving, then they are in no position to criticize the motives of Christians. :doh:

Quite the contrary. What you fail to see is that as a fundamentalist you are the extreme fringe of christianity making up less than 1% of all christians. WHile you won't be happy until a minster is the President of the United States, you have the obsessive need to make yourselves into the martyers and saying you need to "witness" others that are not like you. THANKFULLY, and ONLY FOR THE GRACE OF GOD, you don't have the lock on Christianity, for many would join the ranks of athiests. YOu, my friend, will not be the reason for me to get to heaven. You my friend have made a book your God. I'm glad you keep selling yourself as a Christian. Now, if you can go back to your book and pull out some more scriptures to attack as I'm sure that is what God intended you to do.
 
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Please quote me the verse about ripping a child's tongue out for talking back to his parents. I don't remember where that is.
Sorry, let me be a literalist for a moment, and rest my mind for a bit...
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ( i know you fundies love those digits)...If a man have a stubborn /rebellioius son (again, guess if it's a daughter, in fundie speak..it's ok) (which I guess for fundies, if it's a WOMAN, then the stubborn child is ok, since there is no reference to it)which will not obey the voice of this father and that, when they have chastened him will not harken unto them, then sall this father lay hold on him and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and the men of the city shalls tone him with stones that he shall die. (fundie women..ur saved here..bible doesn't reference you, so breath a little easier)

Such ignorance of scripture is no defense. You defend yourself with empty rhetoric and slogans, not scriptural truth.
Plese don't tell me what "spiritual truth" is when you turn into some ugly and as a weapon to get people to bow to your judgements.

I agree with you about Lot offering up his daughters - that was abominable but it might have been preferable to what happened to Lot and his daughters later, mighten it?


EEK - edited to add that you said Lot wanted to throw his daughters to the angels to be raped. I'd like a chapter and verse on that little tidbit also! :eek:

That evening as the angels bed down for the night, the entire male population of the city encircles Lot’s home and accuses Lot of harboring these uninvited and unapproved strangers. They demand that Lot hand the angels over to them so that they may “know” them (“Yada” Strongs #3045). While there is much debate over the interpretation of this word “Yada”, its believed translation of “violent rape” is probably the closest. I personally don’t think that the citizens of this violent place really intended to sit down and have a nice little chitchat over tea with these strangers!

Whatever the exact translation, I think it’s clear the people of Sodom meant the angels harm. God also seemed to come to the same conclusion since after Lot and his family were a safe distance away, the city was destroyed – just as God had originally planned.

The question that is debated is this: Is God condemning the people because they were homosexual or because they were cruel, selfish and showed no mercy or compassion to others? Ezekiel 16:49-50 answers many of these questions when he states: "Behold, this was the inequity of your sister Sodom: pride, overabundance of food (in Hebrew this phrase literally means eating to the point of retching...), prosperous ease, and idleness were hers and her daughters; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed abominable offenses before Me."

In other words they were evil and self-centered people who totally ignored God and thought nothing of attacking, raping and killing people. Here is where the interpretations begin to differ. One side believes the sin of the Sodomites was the method of rape they intended to inflict upon the angels (i.e. the act of sodomy), while the other side believes the fact that the Sodomites wanted to attack and harm the strangers at all demonstrated the evil nature of these people and their complete abandonment of the law of Love. In other words it wasn’t the method of rape that was important - but the fact that the Sodomites wanted to rape and kill them at all that is truly the issue!
 
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Now I know that you must not have much in the way of reading comprehension skills. First, Lot did not throw his daughters to the crowd, let alone give them to the angels to rape. You do know who the angels were, don't you? Well, probably not, but let's just say that it's pretty blasphemous to call those 2 rapists. You'd better be real sure! :sick:
Oops, my bad..didn't know you walked the planet 2000+ years ago, so do tell me who the angels were. As far as my comprehension skills oh kind one, while you may believe in excercising gay men and women, perhaps there may be a few things you can related to...he with no sin cast the first stone:Exodus 21:17 - and he that curseth this father, shall surely be put to death
Exodus 32 26-28 those relatives that don't worship God...slay every man his broether, and eveyr man his companion, and every man his neighbor and their children
Judges 11:30-40 Deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands and he would make a burnt offering. Alas, his daughter, his only child, came dancing out to greet him, and he sadly was required to burn her.

Deuteronomy 23:2 - a bastard child shall never enter into the congregation of the Lord, even til his 10th generation (wow, what to do with the abortion dilema and most of those babies not making it into heaven anyway..what's a fundie to do?)

Slavery Ephesians 6:5 - OBEY YOUR MASTER and serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ (so fundies...guess you're still upset with the outcome of the civil war)

Jesus HIMSELF had never said anything directly about homosexuality, however he was VERY BLUNT in forbidding DIVORCE. The acceptable practive of divorce and remarriage stands in direct conflict of what is "literally" in the bible, but fundies seem to be ok with that, given the highest divorce rates and spousal abuse in the US is in our beautiful bible belt...hmmm...wonder why? Guess all that trying to be mini-gods themselves takes it's toll. Perhaps all the hours spent in bible study should be spent understanding the family. Just a thought. Christ NEVER focusd on sex in the bible, but the sex obsessed fundies for some reason love to jump on it. Perhaps it's because since they know tht is the ONE sin they won't have, it takes the spotlight off of all the other sins such as adultry, lust, cheating spouces, drinking, premarital sex, sex without procreation, eating shellfish, working on sunday, men cutting their hair, wearing mixed fibers, interracial marriages, etc... Don't wanna focus on those so lets fabricate scripture to our defense for the gays. We got away with it for a bit when we wanted to keep our slaves like the bible said, but then that didn't work...Oh well, lets then fabricate scipture to support seperating the white race and the black race as the bible said they should never be mixed and the white race was superior as the black race was filled with demonic spirits and evilness..but then that didn't work...so, now lets try fabricating scipture to condemn the homosexual. We can hold on to that for a bit in the name of the bible...but guess what...you're getting called on that soon enough too.
 
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Do you believe what GOD's says here,..



Or are you still picking and choosing what you wish to believe?
God didn't write those verses, so what makes you think he said that? And you pick and choose which you want to believe all the time, unless you believe the Earth is flat and children should be stoned to death.
 
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Why, so you can tell me how much better you are than me, and how unsaved I am? No thanks, it's none of your business.

You're very quick to denouce any book of the bible as being from GOD, I'm just wondering if you considered what Jesus said about being born-again as not being of GOD also?

I know of no one who is ashamed to shared there testimony.
 
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Why? I'm not ashamed to share mine, and I have many times before. Our testimony is part of what we overcome satan with.

This thread is not about someones salvation. It about the biblical perspective on homosexuality.
His relationship with God is none of your business unless he chooses to share just as yours is not our business unless it is part of the thread subject.
 
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This thread is not about someones salvation. It about the biblical perspective on homosexuality.
His relationship with God is none of your business unless he chooses to share just as yours is not our business unless it is part of the thread subject.

Really, I don't care about your opinion on it, when someone goes out of their way to denounce every book of the bible, that sets off flags for me.
 
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