Christian Homophobia

[Jase]

You're very quick to denouce any book of the bible as being from GOD, I'm just wondering if you considered what Jesus said about being born-again as not being of GOD also?

I know of no one who is ashamed to shared there testimony.

I never said every book wasn't from God, I said God didn't write the Bible. He inspired them to author it from their perspective.

 

[Jase]

Really, I don't care about your opinion on it, when someone goes out of their way to denounce every book of the bible, that sets off flags for me.

No worse than worshipping the Bible, which is what you do.

 

[LoG]

Really, I don't care about your opinion on it, when someone goes out of their way to denounce every book of the bible, that sets off flags for me.

If you want to hear someone's testimony it would probably help if you shared your own first.
I have seen you quote lots of verses and give us your interpretation of them but not once heard you share how you overcame your own sins. Shouting verses at all does not do anything. It is why we are called to carry each others burdens.

 

[Dave01]

No worse than worshipping the Bible, which is what you do.

Heh, I'll tell you what, Jesus is more real to me than you. Why not tell us about your born-again experience there Jase? Why are you so ashamed of it?

 

[LoG]

Really, I don't care about your opinion on it, when someone goes out of their way to denounce every book of the bible, that sets off flags for me.

You may not care about my opinion Dave but the rules here are quite explicit and your responsiblity to read and adhere to no matter how good your relation with God.

2.1 No Flaming

You will not "flame" other members or groups of members. Flaming includes, but is not limited to:
- Ridiculing, insulting, or demeaning another member or group of members;
- Ridiculing another member's beliefs;
- Ridiculing public figures important to another's religious beliefs;
- Stating or implying that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christian;
- Calling or describing other people, groups, belief-systems, or ideas as heresy or a cult (or derivatives of these words). Instead of using these emotionally charged words, please state "X is wrong because of Y" rather than using these words in polemical discussion;
- Asking loaded questions that directly cause flames in response;
- Using sarcasm to attempt any of the above; and
- Threats of any sort, including advocating or supporting physical or mental harm against another living creature (this creature clause does not apply to political discussions of military action, hunting/fishing discussions nor ethical discussions of capital punishment).

 

[Murdock]

Quite the contrary. What you fail to see is that as a fundamentalist you are the extreme fringe of christianity making up less than 1% of all christians. WHile you won't be happy until a minster is the President of the United States, you have the obsessive need to make yourselves into the martyers and saying you need to "witness" others that are not like you. THANKFULLY, and ONLY FOR THE GRACE OF GOD, you don't have the lock on Christianity, for many would join the ranks of athiests. YOu, my friend, will not be the reason for me to get to heaven. You my friend have made a book your God. I'm glad you keep selling yourself as a Christian. Now, if you can go back to your book and pull out some more scriptures to attack as I'm sure that is what God intended you to do.

So I take it that you love and adore Jesus and but not his followers. Is that correct? Or is it that atheists think that Christians control their beliefs because they can't think for themselves? Otherwise, why try to make me responsible for your attitudes and beliefs?

 

[Murdock]

This thread is not about someones salvation. It about the biblical perspective on homosexuality.
His relationship with God is none of your business unless he chooses to share just as yours is not our business unless it is part of the thread subject.

So then you don't care what happens to his soul. Is that correct? We do.

 

[Dave01]

If you want to hear someone's testimony it would probably help if you shared your own first.
I have seen you quote lots of verses and give us your interpretation of them but not once heard you share how you overcame your own sins. Shouting verses at all does not do anything. It is why we are called to carry each others burdens.

Sure,..

It was January 3rd 1992 at 3:30 in the morning. I was on back of a ship with 2 other people, and while we prayed, I looked upward, and said with my mouth: "Jesus please forgive me, and please come into my heart. I beleive you are the son of GOD, and believe you were raised from the dead."

And at that moment, something left me. I was a drunken sailor that used to do drugs, would chase women and harlots, but after that moment, all of it left me.

I went to bed that night, and I looked up and said: "Well, I'm your's now" and immediately, I felt a presence surround me all over. It was so love-filled that I did not know how to handle it, and I spoke out "Stop!" but this presence just drawed back a little and then engulfed me softly. I went to sleep.

In the morning everyone seemed angry with me. There was like an evil just rolling out of their eyes. That afternoon, I was wondering what I had done. Everything seemed changed somehow. I got alone in a small section of the ship thinking about the happenings in the morning, and I heard a small voice tell me: "Take out your bible."

I had a small gideons new testament in my pocket, so I took it out and sat down on a bench to read it. As I opened it up, a powerful presence of love came down upon me, and this presence said: "read" and I looked down and began to read and I watched the page light up and change before my eyes. It became a love letter directly to me from GOD. The words became so real and so full of expression that they were going into my heart with love. I could not stand how full they were with expression that I began to cry.

Once I got ahold of myself, I felt I could ask something. I said: "I don't want to be a fool" and the voice spoke back and said: "I don't want you to be a fool either" and I said: "How do I remain true to you" and the voice said: "Believe in my word." I didn't understand what He meant by that phrase, but as I looked down at my little bible, it became clear that He meant the bible. So I looked up and said: "Ok" and a love spread throughout my chest. I jumped down and went back to work.

His presence has been very real like that many times. I don't speak things against His word because I know better. I'm a blood-bought, born-again, Spirit-filled, tongue-speaking, Christian, and I'm not ashamed of that one bit.

 

[Dave01]

You may not care about my opinion Dave but the rules here are quite explicit and your responsiblity to read and adhere to no matter how good your relation with God.

Heh, asking him to tell us about his born again experience is not ridiculing him. I gave my testimony, now how about him.

 

[ilmmad]

Just wanted to put this out there.

I truly do not think certain parts of the Bible can be interpreted like they have been in this topic. Truthfully, the Bible was most likely written by a group of men from the time period - one which included a stifling amount of hate. Refer to other parts of the Bible - there are numerous references to colored people being used as slaves, and such. I also seriously doubt you all follow every rule in the Bible - so why pick-and-choose? What gives one the authority to decide which parts of the Book they will follow?

Have you trimmed the hair around your temples lately?

Worked on the Sabbath?

Wear clothes made of two separate types of thread?

These are all offenses, according to Leviticus. Offenses punishable by death. These are all also evidence that the Bible is outdated, a relic from the past. It offers truly revolutionary advice in certain sections. It documents the times wonderfully. And it gives us a material representation of God.

Unfortunately, some people, often called fundamentalists, overly interpret the Bible. And give a bad name to Christianity.

That aside, answer me a question, anyone.

Religious reasoning aside, what makes homosexuality wrong? I mean the act of being a homosexual, not the actions of certain homosexuals.

 

[Disippelen]

That aside, answer me a question, anyone.

Religious reasoning aside, what makes homosexuality wrong? I mean the act of being a homosexual, not the actions of certain homosexuals.

Well... to put all religious reasoning aside, what makes theft wrong? I mean the act of being a thief, not the actions of certain thiefs...


Dis

 

[Jase]

Well... to put all religious reasoning aside, what makes theft wrong? I mean the act of being a thief, not the actions of certain thiefs...


Dis

I'm not sure you could consider one a thief unless he steals.

 

[MelissaShae]

Please explain to me, oh knowledgable one, the 6 billion + Catholics on the planet that do not believe in "reborn" and acknowledge only one baptism for the foregiveness of sins, where are they going? You seem to know so I'd like to hear what you have to say. As for homosexuality being spoken in the bible, it isn't spoken at all. Read the bible carefully. Since you seem to be a literalist, that means you read and don't think? The mention of any sexuality in the bible is ALL centered around prostitution and idol worshipping where sex is used as rape, and claiming of property (slaves) that do not belong to them. It is the fundamentalist that pulls scriptures from the bible to use for their stand on things and that is wrong. I would strongly suggest you read a book called "Jesus Christ - The myths and the healing of the church". It is written by a theologian that says the worst thing someone can do with the bible is to pull scriptures from it to support something. the bible is a collection of letters from men over thousands of years. It is to be read and respect as a WHOLE..NOT to be taken in peace parts. to do so corrupts it's entire purpose which is to show LOVE!!! You sit in judgement of homosexuals with almost a hatred. I guess the same way I feel about fundamentalists as I believe they have hijacked Christianity, and are trying to force it amongst the masses through indoctrination and politics. However, I embrace them to learn from them. I must say, none really deviate from what is said about them...even defined by this board..."militant orthadox that will not waiver nor faulter from their belief"...
Hey, that's fine...but it is the tone, the self-righeous bigotry that is the turn off and what is destructive. So while you sit and say what God would think about homosexuals, ask yourself what he would say about someone like you that seems to be taking his job as judge and accuser. No need to answer, it's only for you to think about.

those who live in glass houses should not throw stones

I will glad to answer some of your comments here. First of all I do not hate homosexuals............read some of my other posts. I am all for the equal treatment of all people including homosexuals. I still do believe that homosexualitiy is a sin and in my bible it says that it is..........I am not going to change my mind about that. As far as catholics, I have no idea I am not catholic, I am pentecostal.

You would have been really offended if I would have called you names which I did not and I am offended that you have choosen to label me here as well. So please don't assume you know anything about me because I of one post that was not even directed towards you but was directed to another poster who can never back her statements or facts.

God says that we are to help those that we see are lost in sin. That is what I try to do. I have not said anything here about homosexuals being bad people, I said there sin was bad but was no more greater than anyother sin.

Take the time to read other posts before you start labeling me.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

Really, I don't care about your opinion on it, when someone goes out of their way to denounce every book of the bible, that sets off flags for me.

I may be incorrect, but i do not believe there is any "denouncing" of any books in the bible. I believe the point being the bible is not God written, but man written with the inspiratin of God. Two entirely different things. Given that, many people believe the bible, and respect it, but also knowing that through thousands of years of translation, thru political and ancient rituals, and by the combination of letters, and stories over thousands of years, the book just may not be exact as it was back in the day. Others believe differently. None of which are denouncing of anything.

 

[MezzaMorta]

For the life of me I can't recall Jesus every saying or teaching against homosexuality.......

 

[ContentInHim]

Quite the contrary. What you fail to see is that as a fundamentalist you are the extreme fringe of christianity making up less than 1% of all christians. WHile you won't be happy until a minster is the President of the United States, you have the obsessive need to make yourselves into the martyers and saying you need to "witness" others that are not like you. THANKFULLY, and ONLY FOR THE GRACE OF GOD, you don't have the lock on Christianity, for many would join the ranks of athiests. YOu, my friend, will not be the reason for me to get to heaven. You my friend have made a book your God. I'm glad you keep selling yourself as a Christian. Now, if you can go back to your book and pull out some more scriptures to attack as I'm sure that is what God intended you to do.

The gate is narrow, my friend - not wide open for anyone! It's plain that not everyone who thinks they are headed for heaven truly is!

 

[ContentInHim]

I may be incorrect, but i do not believe there is any "denouncing" of any books in the bible. I believe the point being the bible is not God written, but man written with the inspiratin of God. Two entirely different things. Given that, many people believe the bible, and respect it, but also knowing that through thousands of years of translation, thru political and ancient rituals, and by the combination of letters, and stories over thousands of years, the book just may not be exact as it was back in the day. Others believe differently. None of which are denouncing of anything.

The Book of Isaiah is nearly identical to that found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so in the 2,000 years which would have been most inclined to mis-copy the book, it has NOT changed. Does that not allow us to trust that God has protected it? I think so!

 

[ContentInHim]

For the life of me I can't recall Jesus every saying or teaching against homosexuality.......

He said, if you love me follow my commandments. That encompasses everything, I think!

 

[UnitedInChrist]

The Book of Isaiah is nearly identical to that found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so in the 2,000 years which would have been most inclined to mis-copy the book, it has NOT changed. Does that not allow us to trust that God has protected it? I think so!

This is not the point. Something can be identical, yet it is not what we are reading. What we are reading is the interpretation into English of ancient terms, rituals, policital influences of the time etc, which can not be captured to give you exact meaning as what was written then. Even in the context of homosexuality the meaning of that alone is different 2000 years later. Even in the context of premarital sex, today you can talk about 30 year olds, and in a culture where most aren't even married any longer. Biblical times, there were numerous wives, and 14 years of age. Perhaps sex outside of marriage was simply because they were not even mature enough to have children yet. I do not know..I did not live 2000+ years ago. What I am saying is I do not read without thinking and getting meaning. I'm not changing the meaning of anything. I, as many others, have different interpretation of things that are written. If the bible said the earth was flat...would you still believe it knowing it isn't or would you have to orbit the earth yourself to believe? If the bible said the sun moved around the earth would you believe it knowing that it doesn't? There are people out there that don't even believe in dinosaurs or that the earth is 100s if not billions of years old despite the proof. They justify their beliefs by interpreting the facts differently. If the bible stated a scripture that said "..and Jesus says he stands out in left field"...would you believe he meant the person literally was standing in a field and on the left, or perhaps by todays reasoning think he meant the man was confused? Would either be wrong? No. Could both be correct? Yes. Do they mean entirely two different things? Of course. That is my point.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

The gate is narrow, my friend - not wide open for anyone! It's plain that not everyone who thinks they are headed for heaven truly is!