Christian Homophobia

[MelissaShae]

She will have a hard time doing that when the word is very obvious,..

agreed! that is why I am not holding my breath, I would pass out

It is so funny to me because it seems that the only defense that some can come up with is laws of leviticus when there are other verses that talk about the sin of homosexuality not just leviticus but those try to use leviticus against Christians when we have more verses about the sin of homosexuality than wearing two kinds of fabric together. Reading a couple of verses doesn't make a Christian.

 

[ContentInHim]

Nope. If you go by the Bible, it isn't a sin.

As for picking Bible verses... if you are wearing underpants with an elastic band as we speak.. then you are guilty of picking and choosing Bibleverses yourself

Well, not quite. It would be if your undies were made of a mixture of linen and wool. Ouch!

 

[MelissaShae]

Well, not quite. It would be if your undies were made of a mixture of linen and wool. Ouch!

wool underwear........

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Well, not quite. It would be if your undies were made of a mixture of linen and wool. Ouch!

Oh, so elastic doesn't count as a fibre?

Of course not. That would make sanctimony about others cherry picking too difficult, wouldn't it?

 

[Jase]

She will have a hard time doing that when the word is very obvious,..

Guess no one one Earth will be inheriting the Kingdom of God.

 

[ContentInHim]

Oh, so elastic doesn't count as a fibre?

Of course not. That would make sanctimony about others cherry picking too difficult, wouldn't it?

No, God told the Israelites not to mix linen which was used to make the priests' garments and therefore something holy with wool which was used to make nearly everything else. Don't mix the holy with the profane!

 

[EnemyPartyII]

No, God told the Israelites not to mix linen which was used to make the priests' garments and therefore something holy with wool which was used to make nearly everything else. Don't mix the holy with the profane!

And thats what the Bible literally says, is it?

 

[UnitedInChrist]

Nope. If you go by the Bible, it isn't a sin.

As for picking Bible verses... if you are wearing underpants with an elastic band as we speak.. then you are guilty of picking and choosing Bibleverses yourself

enemy, you know what you're up against when you here the fundamentalist speak with "sins of the flesh"...here we go again. I just thank GOD above they don't represent the majority of Christians today otherwise we certainly would be in trouble. I just love how they say "you can't pick and chose scripture" yet it is EXACTLY what they do. They did it with slavery, they did it with segregation, and they do it now with homosexuality. Because they believe what the bible says in the English versions they are reading, they don't even know what the original text spoke of when it comes to Leviticus and other old testament mentions of sexuality. ALL were related to IDOL WORSHIPING and RITUAL. Because they are so hateful of homosexuality (just the ignorance since they shelter themselves from it), they will hold on to it like it's their last dying breath. As a result, they seem to make no comments on Sodom and Gommorrah with the throwing of virgins to the visiting angels to be raped and be made women...but I'll be damned...hold on to the "homosexual" message which is not even there. Then moving right along to Leviticus...no issues with being put to death for working on the sabbath, or the ripping out of tongues for the children that back talk their parents, or the putting to death of sex outside of procreation, or the mixing of seeds, eating of shellfish, wearing mixed fibers, cutting of men's hear, having women enter a church unveiled, or being with a women that has her period, etc...ALL condemnable by death..but SWEET JESUS UP ABOVE..the sins of the flesh of that homosexual...no way am I lettin' that one go. So I ask (not you of course, since u don't live under a rock), who's picking and choosing??? It's utterly laughable, and I thank them for the enjoyment I get from reading their posts. It supports every comment I've ever read about Christian fundamentalists...their a unique group for sure.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I keep telling people... the verse that makes homosexuality ok is John 13:34

 

[LoG]

As a result, they seem to make no comments on Sodom and Gommorrah with the throwing of virgins to the visiting angels to be raped and be made women...but I'll be damned...hold on to the "homosexual" message which is not even there.

Throwing the virgins to the visiting angels? Now I know we are reading different bibles.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Throwing the virgins to the visiting angels? Now I know we are reading different bibles.

He means throwing virgins to the crowd in lieu of the visiting angels...

Which is less worrying than homosexuality, isn't it?

 

[LoG]

I keep telling people... the verse that makes homosexuality ok is John 13:34

34 I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. As I have loved you, you should also love one another.

He says to love one another, not have sex or orgies.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

you crack me up......this is the only bible verse that you ever seem to use as a back up to your statements about homosexuality not being a sin.


So please show me exact verses where God says that homosexuality is okay and that it is not a sin.....I won't hold my breath waiting.

And it seems that you did not know one important thing.....those who are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ and reborn again do not have to follow the laws of Leviticus. (notice I said those who are reborn, not those who continue to live in sin and disobey God's word).

Please explain to me, oh knowledgable one, the 6 billion + Catholics on the planet that do not believe in "reborn" and acknowledge only one baptism for the foregiveness of sins, where are they going? You seem to know so I'd like to hear what you have to say. As for homosexuality being spoken in the bible, it isn't spoken at all. Read the bible carefully. Since you seem to be a literalist, that means you read and don't think? The mention of any sexuality in the bible is ALL centered around prostitution and idol worshipping where sex is used as rape, and claiming of property (slaves) that do not belong to them. It is the fundamentalist that pulls scriptures from the bible to use for their stand on things and that is wrong. I would strongly suggest you read a book called "Jesus Christ - The myths and the healing of the church". It is written by a theologian that says the worst thing someone can do with the bible is to pull scriptures from it to support something. the bible is a collection of letters from men over thousands of years. It is to be read and respect as a WHOLE..NOT to be taken in peace parts. to do so corrupts it's entire purpose which is to show LOVE!!! You sit in judgement of homosexuals with almost a hatred. I guess the same way I feel about fundamentalists as I believe they have hijacked Christianity, and are trying to force it amongst the masses through indoctrination and politics. However, I embrace them to learn from them. I must say, none really deviate from what is said about them...even defined by this board..."militant orthadox that will not waiver nor faulter from their belief"...
Hey, that's fine...but it is the tone, the self-righeous bigotry that is the turn off and what is destructive. So while you sit and say what God would think about homosexuals, ask yourself what he would say about someone like you that seems to be taking his job as judge and accuser. No need to answer, it's only for you to think about.

 

[LoG]

He means throwing virgins to the crowd in lieu of the visiting angels...

Which is less worrying than homosexuality, isn't it?

Not really a risk throwing out a couple of virgins to a crowd of homosexuals is it? Unless there were a few bi ones there.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

Throwing the virgins to the visiting angels? Now I know we are reading different bibles.

Excuse me...read it. It is EXACTLY what Lot did with his daughters. Perhaps you won't allow yourself to read it that way b/c it's something you don't agree with, therefore, it can't be. I don't have my bible with me, but I'm not sure how else you would take Lot saying to the visting angels.."take my daughters and make them women". Not only that, Moses asked God NOT to destory the city so I guess Moses supported homosexuals then? Since you seem to be a fundamentalist, and a literalist, I expected a little bit more from you...but you know how it goes...expecations only lead to disappointments....

 

[LoG]

As for homosexuality being spoken in the bible, it isn't spoken at all. Read the bible carefully. Since you seem to be a literalist, that means you read and don't think? The mention of any sexuality in the bible is ALL centered around prostitution and idol worshipping where sex is used as rape, and claiming of property (slaves) that do not belong to them.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"


Would you not call a man who lies with another man like he does with a woman, a homosexual? No mention of idol worship or prostitution here Rick.

Excuse me...read it. It is EXACTLY what Lot did with his daughters. Perhaps you won't allow yourself to read it that way b/c it's something you don't agree with, therefore, it can't be. I don't have my bible with me, but I'm not sure how else you would take Lot saying to the visting angels.."take my daughters and make them women".

When you get your bible, I would recommend you read the story. Another suggestion is for you to get an electronic bible from E-sword.
A very handy thing to have so as to not misquote verses or stories and totally free even.

Not only that, Moses asked God NOT to destory the city so I guess Moses supported homosexuals then? Since you seem to be a fundamentalist, and a literalist, I expected a little bit more from you...but you know how it goes...expecations only lead to disappointments....

I think you are talking about Abraham there rick. You need to do some serious reading in that book there bud.
This is not the way to win debates.

 

[Jase]

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"


Would you not call a man who lies with another man like he does with a woman, a homosexual? No mention of idol worship or prostitution here Rick.

It's funny how you use Leviticus to support your prejudice and condemnation of homosexuals, but I doubt you'd support the stoning of children or burning of witches, also supported by the Old Testament. Then again, with fundamentalists, you never know...

Fornication is the overwhelmingly majority of sexual sins, yet I don't hear fundamentalists ever condemning that. It's always against homosexuals, a very tiny minority.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"


Would you not call a man who lies with another man like he does with a woman, a homosexual? No mention of idol worship or prostitution here Rick.
My friend...I am not about winning anything. That is not my mission. If it's yours then fine... You THINK you know the Liviticus story...it is all based on ritual! Read the ORIGINAL transcripts of it. What you see in the bible today, through it's numerous translations, it is not the same. The "lying with male as with a woman" is based on the stealing of property. The idol worshippers, in their attempt to take what was not theirs, defaulting to raping the property of the temple owners. The "homosexuality" that is referred to is about the violent taking and raping of a man by another man in their quest to steal. You will see the terms used in our book today are nothing like the original text. Why is that? Because the bible we read today was translated into english in the 15th century via king james reign. I'm sure that had nothing to do with what we read today? Not that you would care, but homosexuality as we know it today was NOTHING like it was back in ancient biblical times. The term alone didn't even come into the english language until 1890s. There was no such thing as committed, monogomus homosexaul relationships then.




When you get your bible, I would recommend you read the story. Another suggestion is for you to get an electronic bible from E-sword.

I don't need an electronic bible...and I may have misquoted, but again, the jist of it is what is correct. As I said, I'm not a biblical scholar and never claimed to be.
A very handy thing to have so as to not misquote verses or stories and totally free even.

Again the typical fundamentalists picking and chosing scripture to support a hatred. Guess slavery and segregation didn't teach you anything. perhaps you still believe in them...not sure.
I think you are talking about Abraham there rick. You need to do some serious reading in that book there bud.
This is not the way to win debates.

If I meant to speak about Abraham, I would have. I don't live and breath my bible in an obsessive way which makes for toxic thinking, so for that I apologize. You seem to know it by heart, but yet look how judgemental and hateful you are? Where was your learning while memorizing all your scriptures? Don't try to spin this and say otherwise. If God came down today and said homosexuality is perfectly fine..it was in my plan...you would most likely believe him to be a false god and think it was satan. Not to get into a whole other issue, but when we waited for Christ for ever, and when he was born, no one believed it was him and was born in a barn, in an animals manger. Then, when he grew and started to preach, we still didn't believe it was him and we crucified him. twice we didn't accept him. Would you possibly accept him a third time? If you're not about love which is strongest, and the center of all of what God is about...then you need to rethink things. I'm not going to go head to head with you on homosexuality, because your beliefs will never change. Nor will mine. That being said...step aside from it and don't let it turn your heart hateful and cold. Love my friend..love! Not some hippy sorta 60s thing...i'm talking about being brothers with your brothers..especially with those that aren't like you! That is where the proof is. embracing your friends are one thing, and its very easy with no thought. Embrace someone different than you...it teaches volumes. Peace.

 

[ContentInHim]

And thats what the Bible literally says, is it?

That's what the Jewish sages say it means and I have no reason to doubt them!

 

[ContentInHim]

enemy, you know what you're up against when you here the fundamentalist speak with "sins of the flesh"...here we go again. I just thank GOD above they don't represent the majority of Christians today otherwise we certainly would be in trouble. I just love how they say "you can't pick and chose scripture" yet it is EXACTLY what they do. They did it with slavery, they did it with segregation, and they do it now with homosexuality. Because they believe what the bible says in the English versions they are reading, they don't even know what the original text spoke of when it comes to Leviticus and other old testament mentions of sexuality. ALL were related to IDOL WORSHIPING and RITUAL. Because they are so hateful of homosexuality (just the ignorance since they shelter themselves from it), they will hold on to it like it's their last dying breath. As a result, they seem to make no comments on Sodom and Gommorrah with the throwing of virgins to the visiting angels to be raped and be made women...but I'll be damned...hold on to the "homosexual" message which is not even there. Then moving right along to Leviticus...no issues with being put to death for working on the sabbath, or the ripping out of tongues for the children that back talk their parents, or the putting to death of sex outside of procreation, or the mixing of seeds, eating of shellfish, wearing mixed fibers, cutting of men's hear, having women enter a church unveiled, or being with a women that has her period, etc...ALL condemnable by death..but SWEET JESUS UP ABOVE..the sins of the flesh of that homosexual...no way am I lettin' that one go. So I ask (not you of course, since u don't live under a rock), who's picking and choosing??? It's utterly laughable, and I thank them for the enjoyment I get from reading their posts. It supports every comment I've ever read about Christian fundamentalists...their a unique group for sure.

Please quote me the verse about ripping a child's tongue out for talking back to his parents. I don't remember where that is.

Such ignorance of scripture is no defense. You defend yourself with empty rhetoric and slogans, not scriptural truth.

I agree with you about Lot offering up his daughters - that was abominable but it might have been preferable to what happened to Lot and his daughters later, mighten it?

EEK - edited to add that you said Lot wanted to throw his daughters to the angels to be raped. I'd like a chapter and verse on that little tidbit also!