Christian Homophobia

[IamRedeemed]

What I believe causes the issue to be on the forefront is that a group of people hold parades, they lobby in congress, they target the media etc, because they want to have their perversion treated as normal and natural and want special rights and privileges afforded them based on their deviant, and they want to be able to infiltrate schools and target five year olds, and teach them early that their perversion is actually normal, when the reality is, that it isn't. And they are looking to totally change the meaning of family. Their "rights" are at the expense and infringement of everyone else's.
That's when it becomes a bigger deal than someone's bedroom preferences.

But you can be assured, that just as in the days of Noah, and as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah, God will be casting His vote, and all of this legislation and parades and everything else will be nothing but vanity.

Jesus is coming soon, and the wrath of God is going to be poured out on the earth. People need to start thinking about eternal matters, because this life is but a vapor and will be gone soon. Eternity exists and it is forever.

It is time for people to begin choosing what their eternal address will be. The wages of sin is death and the Bible says that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. The penalty will have to be paid.

The good news is that we don't have to pay it ourselves, because God does love us enough, that He provided and alternative for us. He gave His Son, Jesus Christ, who was perfect, completely holy and sinless.

Jesus paid the penalty with His own blood, that whosoever will repent, turn away from their sins and sinful lifestyles of whatever sort they are and put their faith in Him and follow Him the rest of their days, will not perish, and face God's wrath, but be passed from the second death and eternal separation from God unto eternal life in the presence of God, and be adopted by the Lord as true children of God.

So, everyone reading this, please ask yourself, if you died tonight, and God judged you according to His commandments, do you know where you will spend eternity?

Second question... did your answer to the first question concern you?

Before you lay your head down tonight friend, as there is no guarantee that you will get another chance tomorrow....why don't you ask Jesus to apply His payment to your account, repent for your sins, and turn away from them and choose to walk with Him from this day forward. Secure your eternal destiny before you lay your head down on your pillow tonight and sleep well.

If you have made a decision for Christ tonight, and repented of your sins, and you want to tell me about it, please feel free to PM me. If you have any questions also or would like me to pray for you or with you, please don't hesitate to contact me.

May God touch your heart, by the power of His Holy Spirit tonight, and change your life and your eternal destiny, in Jesus name, amen.

Goodnight now....

The problem, Melissa, is that many people's obsession with homosexuality, and their treating it as if it is the worst of all sins, seems to indeed indicate some sort of fear. If someone accepts that it is a sin like all others, they wouldn't spend an inordinate amount of time campaigning against gay rights and for the "right" to fire someone for the simple fact that they are gay. People don't treat other sinners this way; they are singling gays out. It is either hatred or fear when this sort of disproportionate response is so easily observed.

 

[IamRedeemed]

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php

Actually you might find this interesting. It is an urban legend that there are more heterosexual child molestations than homosexual.

Lion, you are SOOOOO wrong with what you've stated here. Typically I'd read and just think it's someone's opinion and then leave it go. What you have stated is just incorrect at so many levels. Victims are one thing..and there are by FAR more victims of sexual abuse by heterosexual men than homosexuals, sherely by the population alone. Second of all, they are COMPLETELY different. Pedophila is a crime for starters. Secondly, most cases show that it is from a family member/friend. Also, there is a GROWING number of FEMALE teachers that have been arrested for this with their teenage MALE students. What happened in the Catholic church is tragic at best. The church covered it up without bringing charges against these men, and it grew and grew until it finally collapsed from the inside. It isn't a "catholic" thing as just on 20/20 a few weeks ago, it showed over 600 baptist preachers that were arrested and charged for the same types of crimes. Sure, those kids that were violated have a right to be afraid, but not afraid of homosexuality. A woman being raped by a man is far more likely to happen, and you don't expect women to go through out their lives fearful of men..although some do unfortuantely. Again, you are comparing apples to oranges and it can not be done.

 

[AJB4]

This thread is going nowhere now. It seems like two parties are putting forth two different AIDS facts (FYI, I don't believe that AIDS is a punishment from God; he would be pretty evil if it was).

I'm not saying we should agree with it. I'm simply saying, treat the human beings like equals, and try your hardest not to look down on them. To put it in perspective, imagine that you were in their shoes. Especially in the shoes of, say, a closeted gay teen of Christian parents who keeps it a secret from them (and goes through much distress as a result) because their parents are homophobic and they're afraid what they'll say.

Remember that next time you're sitting with your teenage child and you start making homophobic comments.

 

[MelissaShae]

The Old Testament also says to stone children, burn witches, and not wear 2 types of fabric. How many people obey those laws? Again, we're back to the singling out one particular sin.

You obviously did not read any of my other posts. I am not singling out anything, I was correcting another member. So please read all of my posts before making your accusations.

 

[MelissaShae]

Most people infected by AIDs are heterosexual and got it though heterosexual intercourse.



Pedophilia is not a sexual crime, it is a crime of power like rape. most Pedophiles that molest young boys are heterosexuals.

I do agree that most pedpholies are heterosexual and since molestation and rape are not about sex but rather control, it is hard to equate sexuality with molestation and/or rape.

 

[Dave01]

This thread is going nowhere now. It seems like two parties are putting forth two different AIDS facts (FYI, I don't believe that AIDS is a punishment from God; he would be pretty evil if it was).

I'm not saying we should agree with it. I'm simply saying, treat the human beings like equals, and try your hardest not to look down on them. To put it in perspective, imagine that you were in their shoes. Especially in the shoes of, say, a closeted gay teen of Christian parents who keeps it a secret from them (and goes through much distress as a result) because their parents are homophobic and they're afraid what they'll say.

Remember that next time you're sitting with your teenage child and you start making homophobic comments.

There is an aspect here that you're unaware of it seems.

The closer a born-again Christian get's to GOD, the more that Christian is reading HIS word, the more he/she is involved in prayer,...the more holier or spiritual clean that person is.

When a person starts to really get this sort of cleanliness in their spirit, sin and the works of the flesh stand out like a sore thumb to them, even to the point of disgust.

It is no joke. Jesus Himself walked in this cleanliness and would make statements at times where He was disgusted with the flesh of people and their thoughts.

Many people are not walking this sort of walk with GOD, but there are quite a few that are, and they will be the ones voicing their opinions also against sin here on earth. The bible depicts it wrong for a reason, and if people were to see things as GOD see's them, then they would not even argue their case.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php

Actually you might find this interesting. It is an urban legend that there are more heterosexual child molestations than homosexual.

You are kidding right? If you are going to use sources to state statistics my friend..you certainly do NOT take stats that are published by a "Traditional Vales Organization" that is a Coaltion of hardcore religious freaks. Look at your sources my friend. There is no debate here. Pediphilia is NOT just men raping boys. the VAST MAJORITY of CASES are heterosexual men abusing little girls. I will read your posts and respond accordingly, but you need to post something of merit. What you're posting is foolish and all based on the response to Catholic priests and little boys. That's just a very small piece of the pie.

 

[LoG]

To put it in perspective, imagine that you were in their shoes. Especially in the shoes of, say, a closeted gay teen of Christian parents who keeps it a secret from them (and goes through much distress as a result) because their parents are homophobic and they're afraid what they'll say.

As a parent we hope and pray that our children will have a reasonably happy life without a lot problems. That they will have children themselves and have a good relationship with the Lord. I would hope that a son or daughter would not choose a lifestyle that is going to be one that will be a problem for them. ie, I would hope they don't choose to be an alcoholic or drug addict. I hope they do not choose to become a hooker or pimp, a murderer or thief, or any other lifestyle that diverges from one that leads to a decent life. This includes a gay lifestyle because the chances of a life-threatening disease, violence and a lack of acceptance by the majority are some of the consequences.
As a parent this is not what you would wish for them. Doesn't make them necessarily homophobic, just concerned for their child's long-term best interests.

Having said that, I do realize that parents often do not know how to deal appropriately with children that are heading in a direction leading to a destructive lifestyle. They attempt to "lay down the law" and failing that "God's Law", thinking that somehow this will magically fix the issue. Unfortunately it doesn't. The Bible gives us the perfect standard for a good life but doesn't always spell it out how we are to attain it on a practical level.

God doesn't create junk and from that it is evident that God didn't create people to be murderers, drug addicts, or homosexuals. These are tendencies that are picked up along the way, sometimes very early on in life. They can be so strong that we feel we were born that way and are therefore locked in with no chance of a fulfilling life except through the destructive lifestyle. This is a lie.
From my own experience with a destructive lifestyle, I know that it is possible through God to no longer obsess about the lifestyle and become content in leading the type of life that God would have for us. It requires one to "come out of the closet" and seek help in the appropriate place. A place where there are others who are looking to overcome similar issues. Alcoholics go to Alcoholics Anonymous, drug addicts to Narcotic Anonymous, and those struggeling with sexual issues have Sexaholics Anonymous.
When one is truly looking to overcome the problem rather than just be ok with continuing it, it is possible to get help.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

This thread is going nowhere now. It seems like two parties are putting forth two different AIDS facts (FYI, I don't believe that AIDS is a punishment from God; he would be pretty evil if it was).

I'm not saying we should agree with it. I'm simply saying, treat the human beings like equals, and try your hardest not to look down on them. To put it in perspective, imagine that you were in their shoes. Especially in the shoes of, say, a closeted gay teen of Christian parents who keeps it a secret from them (and goes through much distress as a result) because their parents are homophobic and they're afraid what they'll say.

Remember that next time you're sitting with your teenage child and you start making homophobic comments.

It says you're 16 so perhaps you have first hand knowledge of this. I am in total agreement with you. My best friend comes from minister parents. Pentacostal at that. He has beaten himself up sooooo much over his being gay, it's to the point of where he is getting into drugs, alcohol, etc..in order to escape "the demons" that his parents have told him have taken him. They have brought him to "ex gay" therapy, which in and of itself is a disgrace. This all from a "christian" family? there is NOTHING christian about trying to change someone to be your perfect child in order to be accepted. These over the top religious freaks that call themselves religious are ONLY if people believe as they do. If it's something they won't accept, they will dig through that bible until they find anything that supports their hatred. All this "flesh" thing is pure crazy speak. FLESH is GOD GIVEN. It is what makes us a human being. God is GOOD. God is KIND. God is LOVE. God HELPS..he does not "disgust in the flesh" which is of his own making. I'm gay. The worst part of my gay life was running from it. I found God when I accept who he made me and I've never looked back. My life is great. I'm blessed, and couldn't be happier. I have no one in my life right now...but when I do..I will cherish it as a person God has made for me. The feelings that I will have will be GOD BASED feelings and NOT SIN, or SATANIC as some fundies try to make the vast majority of other christians believe. It's pure and utter nonsense. I embrace ALL that God has given me...and part of that is sexuality. It is not to be abused, and it is not to be looked @ as a disgusting thing. 'nuff said.

 

[MelissaShae]

I still think that some people are really missing the true definition of homophobia. Just because you disagree with the homosexual lifestyle does not mean that you are homophobic. I disagree with stealing but I am not a thiefophobic and I am against lying but I am not a lyophobic. I am afraid of heights so I am an acrophobic.

Just because you do not agree with something doesn't mean you are afraid of it, it means that you simply do not feel that is right.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

you know the HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY has done a good job of brainwashing people and reversing the issue.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

As a parent we hope and pray that our children will have a reasonably happy life without a lot problems. That they will have children themselves and have a good relationship with the Lord. I would hope that a son or daughter would not choose a lifestyle that is going to be one that will be a problem for them. ie, I would hope they don't choose to be an alcoholic or drug addict. I hope they do not choose to become a hooker or pimp, a murderer or thief, or any other lifestyle that diverges from one that leads to a decent life. This includes a gay lifestyle because the chances of a life-threatening disease, violence and a lack of acceptance by the majority are some of the consequences.
As a parent this is not what you would wish for them. Doesn't make them necessarily homophobic, just concerned for their child's long-term best interests.

Having said that, I do realize that parents often do not know how to deal appropriately with children that are heading in a direction leading to a destructive lifestyle. They attempt to "lay down the law" and failing that "God's Law", thinking that somehow this will magically fix the issue. Unfortunately it doesn't. The Bible gives us the perfect standard for a good life but doesn't always spell it out how we are to attain it on a practical level.

God doesn't create junk and from that it is evident that God didn't create people to be murderers, drug addicts, or homosexuals. These are tendencies that are picked up along the way, sometimes very early on in life. They can be so strong that we feel we were born that way and are therefore locked in with no chance of a fulfilling life except through the destructive lifestyle. This is a lie.
From my own experience with a destructive lifestyle, I know that it is possible through God to no longer obsess about the lifestyle and become content in leading the type of life that God would have for us. It requires one to "come out of the closet" and seek help in the appropriate place. A place where there are others who are looking to overcome similar issues. Alcoholics go to Alcoholics Anonymous, drug addicts to Narcotic Anonymous, and those struggeling with sexual issues have Sexaholics Anonymous.
When one is truly looking to overcome the problem rather than just be ok with continuing it, it is possible to get help.

Some of what you said I agree with. I must STRONGLY disagree with you when it comes to sexuality. You lump it into "choice" and with that, in with addictions. Sex addicts, fyi, can be both homosexual and heterosexual.
Homosexuality is NOT a learned behavior my friend. You can put a straight person with a bunch of gay people and he will NEVER "turn" gay. Guess what..the same thing goes for gay people. You can put them around straight people all day long, and they will never be straight. The other issues you list are addictions and they can be helped but NEVER cured. Drugs, alcohol, prostitution, etc..are lifestyles. Sexuality is not. Heterosexuals come in all those lifestyles as do homosexuals. Disease will come to any permiscious person and those that are reckless with sex, as well as drugs, and other abuses...again, it is NOT sexuality. You suggest above that you would hope your child wouldn't "chose" to be a homosexual becuase it's not "accepted" by the majority of the people? What do you tell a black child in a while neighborhood? Wear makeup to fit in? What do you tell a Jewish child surround by Christians? Don't say your Jewish and fit in to what the majority tells us? That is soooo unfair. If a homosexaul, you will be exposed to a more "violent" life? This is absurd. What about our urban youth? They face more violence than our men/women in Iraq. What about those dealing drugs on street corners? Sexuality does NOT expose anyone to more violence.
A child's "long term best interest" is to be LOVED! If they are in destructive BEHAVIOR you get them help. If you are blessed to have a healthy, happy, child that is gay...you don't get them "help" so they can be the way you want them. THAT is what tears the family apart. LOVING your child never tears a family apart. Sure, I can understand you not wanting a child to be gay, simply because it is more difficult. BUT ask yourself...if you do have a gay child...who's the one that is going to be upset? Who is going to think all horrible, negative, my life is over, type scenarios? Most likely not the gay child, but the parent who can't accept their child. A person doesn't wake up one day and say...hmmm....I think I'm straight. Certainly, the same thing goes for gay people. They don't decide one day to become gay.
Until you know it, to understand it..you can not speak about what you think are the facts.
Finally, you are correct. God does NOT make junk. God DOES make homosexuals. I know MANY and I know many who are as God fearing and religious as the next "Christian". "Tendancies picked up along the way"...doesn't make one a homosexual. That is just childish thinking. I do find it utterly offensive to say there is hope for homosexuals if they seek out "sexaholics anonomyous?" Are you for real??? I know PLENTY of straight guys from college and weekend parties that should be there as well.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

This really does yourself no justice before other Christian folks here.

You have basically said to everyone: "I won't believe the bible and I'm going to just go off of what I think things should be, and everyone else that heeds the bible is wrong except me."

Your are absolutely incorrect. The way I read it it says "believe like me, and you know the truth, otherwise you are not welcomed here". It does me GREAT justice in front of other Christians because that is what Christianity is...welcomes EVERYONE!!! As for the bible...to take it seriously..you do NOT take it literally. If you chose to be a literalist, then so be it. The bible is more than that for me. The bible is written by man, and is as fallible as anything else that has been translated a billion times in thousands of languages over 2000+ years. It is a book made up of letters from numerous individuals and not God himself sitting at a desk and writing it. So yes, I respect the bible..I've read the bible, and continue to go to bible study every Sunday. You can chose to read the bible with your interpretation. You can pick your Leviticus, Roman, etc..scriptures to support what you don't like, and say "the bible said it"..."Christians" have done that with slavery, they've done that with segregation, and currently do it with homosexuality. The bible NEVER speaks to sexuality...MAN has taken scriptures and turned it that way. Reading any of the original text, you will see that any reference to sex in the bible was based on idol worshipping, prostitution, and the raping of men in order to take possession of what belonged to others. Even the story of Soddom and Gommorah was MORE about the unwelcoming of guests and the sin of not opening your doors to others, than it ever was of sex. Even so, no one seems to care about Lot throwing his daughters to the angels to be raped and be made "women". So, instead of sitting in judgement of me for who I am, and who isn't like you and felt the need to state "i don't know the way, and don't know the bible, and that I do no justice to the Christians here"...I say you are wrong..for I do know God and He has shown me the way...and part of that way is to use my voice to say I am a child of his just like you and everyone else is and his purpose for me, like everyone else, is different than what his purpose for you is. I also state that I DO know the bible...the bibe that I take as a WHOLE and do not destroy it's meaning by taking scriputures to support hatreds for God would not have created a book used to condemn. God has used LOVE as his basis for EVERYTHING!!! As my church doors say "God never turned anyone away...either do we"...so to you my brother I ask..."If God can love me...why can't you"?
(No need to answer that...that's just for you to dwell on)

 

[UnitedInChrist]

you know the HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY has done a good job of brainwashing people and reversing the issue.

"Brainwashing" as in "ex gay therapy"?? What do you mean by 'reversing the issue'? Doesn't make sense to me...sorry.

 

[LostUntilSaved]

Read the thread I started: http://www.christianforums.com/t5403739-re-debates-on-homosexuality.html

 

[sunlover1]

As for the bible...to take it seriously..you do NOT take it literally. If you chose to be a literalist, then so be it. The bible is more than that for me. The bible is written by man, and is as fallible as anything else that has been translated a billion times in thousands of languages over 2000+ years. It is a book made up of letters from numerous individuals and not God himself sitting at a desk and writing it. So yes, I respect the bible..I've read the bible, and continue to go to bible study every Sunday. You can chose to read the bible with your interpretation. You can pick your Leviticus, Roman, etc..scriptures to support what you don't like, and say "the bible said it"..."Christians" have done that with slavery, they've done that with segregation, and currently do it with homosexuality. The bible NEVER speaks to sexuality...MAN has taken scriptures and turned it that way. Reading any of the original text, you will see that any reference to sex in the bible was based on idol worshipping, prostitution, and the raping of men in order to take possession of what belonged to others. Even the story of Soddom and Gommorah was MORE about the unwelcoming of guests and the sin of not opening your doors to others, than it ever was of sex. Even so, no one seems to care about Lot throwing his daughters to the angels to be raped and be made "women". So, instead of sitting in judgement of me for who I am, and who isn't like you and felt the need to state "i don't know the way, and don't know the bible, and that I do no justice to the Christians here"...I say you are wrong..for I do know God and He has shown me the way...and part of that way is to use my voice to say I am a child of his just like you and everyone else is and his purpose for me, like everyone else, is different than what his purpose for you is. I also state that I DO know the bible...the bibe that I take as a WHOLE and do not destroy it's meaning by taking scriputures to support hatreds for God would not have created a book used to condemn. God has used LOVE as his basis for EVERYTHING!!! As my church doors say "God never turned anyone away...either do we"...so to you my brother I ask..."If God can love me...why can't you"?
(No need to answer that...that's just for you to dwell on)

Who ever said no one loves you?
Disagreement isn't equal to hate.


Maybe you havent yet found out what love really involves..

I know that I've "changed my mind", 'been in error' before.. MANY times.
Maybe you are too.
Could happen...

1 Corinthians 13:4-8
4 Love is patient,
love is kind.
It does not envy,
it does not boast,
it is not proud.
5 It is not rude,
it is not self-seeking,
it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil
but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects,
always trusts,
always hopes,
always perseveres.
8 Love never fails.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

Who ever said no one loves you?
Disagreement isn't equal to hate.


Maybe you havent yet found out what love really involves..

I know that I've "changed my mind", 'been in error' before.. MANY times.
Maybe you are too.
Could happen...

1 Corinthians 13:4-8
4 Love is patient,
love is kind.
It does not envy,
it does not boast,
it is not proud.
5 It is not rude,
it is not self-seeking,
it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil
but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects,
always trusts,
always hopes,
always perseveres.
8 Love never fails.

Don't misunderstand..i didn't say "no one loves me"..I am loved very much, and my life has been blessed. That message was for the individual that chose to say I didn't do christians justice and said i didn't believe in the bible. that was just reprehensible and offensive.

 

[Alice the Sister]

Yeah, it's not fair that they show more hatred towards homosexuals compared to other sins. Is one sin really worse than the other? Is sin really a 'fight fire with fire' situation?

And as far as it being 'sad' I always had myself a laugh riot back in high school at my conversative Tennessee big southern Baptist church flirting with guys and seeing their reactions. The amount of homophobia was so funny compared to the "ok that's enough ha ha" amongst the non-Christians crowd I'd annoy with my bi-curious tendencies at the time.

 

[sunlover1]

I think it's really sad how homophobic many Christians are.

Not sure what homophobic is but I might be sinophobic. I don't even like "little white lies", or 'fudging' the taxes.

Whether or not you believe that the practise is right or not, why must many Christians treat them like their less of people, and call them such derogatory names and such? I think that Jesus would treat them the same as any other sinner (which is everybody), and so should we.

I think Jesus definitely is no respector of persons.
He treats sin the same, I agree.
We should as well.
We should offer love, prayer and if the opportunity arises, counsel.
Pray and ask God, "What do you want me to say or do for this child, Lord"
That's gotta be the best way to treat all.

I also find it weird that when people are seen doing other things that are sinful, they go unnoticed, but when attention is drawn to the fact that someone is gay, people seem to go out of their way to say rude things about them, more so then any other "type" of sinner.

Yeah, it is crazy stuff.
Walking around carrying an extra spare tire and pointing out the specks in the brother's eye isn't wise...
Sin is sin, we're all falling short somewhere.

But I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that we are all hypocrites and all mess up once in a while.

Now, if someone comes to me and says that the Bible doesnt really mean we shouldn't steal and that it don't really mean that we can't murder or have sex with the neighbors hubby... then what do I say?

Lie?

so there ya go...

 

[MezzaMorta]

This includes a gay lifestyle because the chances of a life-threatening disease, violence and a lack of acceptance by the majority are some of the consequences.

Only because of people such as yourself and your hatred and ignorance towards homosexuals.