Christian Homophobia

[GrinningDwarf]

According to Ezekiel, the problem with S+G was that they didn't give to the poor

I think here we have the crux of the problem. Defenders of homosexual behavior love to quote Ezekiel 16:49

Eze 16:49 " `Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

and tell us that God did not hold Sodom accountable for homosexuality. However...for some reason they never want to continue to verse 50

They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

because the entire quote undermines their argument. What does the Lord find detestable? Well, there are the things listed in the Levitical food laws, which have been done away with under the New Covenant, and then there are things like

LEV 18:22 " `Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

which were not done away with under the New Covenant.

The reason Chrisitans get so hot about this particular issue is because, while there are those who engage in the other practices mentioned such as greed and gluttony, nobody is trying seriously make the case that these other practices aren't sin. There is a strong movement to declare homosexual behavior right and just before the Lord.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

That is not according to Ezekiel, that is according to a severe misinterpretation of Scripture. Where did you learn that info from? Is that being taught by the Episcopal church?

I wouldn't know... I'm not episcopalian

But read Ezekial... it says its about charity

 

[LoG]

So... is anyone going to explain why sexual immorality amongst homosexuals is worse than sexual immorality among heterosexuals, or what?

The more the human consciounce is burned by doing what is not right, the easier it is to go further down the road.
This doesn't just apply to homosexuals but to all sin. Once we sin in an area it becomes easier to do the next time until the point is reached where it doesn't cause any problem at all. Most sin will get progressively worse as the consiounce is seared.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

However...for some reason they never want to continue to verse 50

And verse 50 mentions homosexuality... where?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Making stuff up? Give your head a shake. Even a cursory search of Google with the appropriate search terms, turn up site after site with stats proving what I said.

As an example:

I agree that singling out one type of sinner from another is not a good thing from a Christian point of view but then neither am I going to whitewash the statistical truth in an effort to maintain the political correctness that some would like.

You are falling into a logical fallacy... all sailors are greek, but not all greeks are sailors...

many paedophiles are homosexuals, but not many homosexuals are paedophiles.

They are SEPERATE ISSUES.

I DON'T defend or condone paedophilia, but lets not run them together...

Making stuff up? Give your head a shake. Even a cursory search of Google with the appropriate search terms, turn up site after site with stats proving what I said.

Really? I can't find anything anywhere that suggests a causal link between homosexuality and any form of mental illness... so if you have one, link would be good.

Note you decided to drop the "homos spread AIDS" argument... thanks

 

[EnemyPartyII]

The more the human consciounce is burned by doing what is not right, the easier it is to go further down the road.
This doesn't just apply to homosexuals but to all sin. Once we sin in an area it becomes easier to do the next time until the point is reached where it doesn't cause any problem at all. Most sin will get progressively worse as the consiounce is seared.

Nothing like a chunk of Bible verse when you're losing an argument eh?

 

[GrinningDwarf]

And verse 50 mentions homosexuality... where?

It looks like you read posts the same way you apparently want to read Scripture...using the 'pick-and-choose' method.

Eze 16:50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me.

Some version say 'committed abomination'. What things are detestable or abominations to the Lord? The Bible tells us what these things are.

 

[LoG]

Note you decided to drop the "homos spread AIDS" argument... thanks

Because I didn't think I was going to have to prove each point.

Men who have sex with men constitute one half of all the cases in the United States. In spite of massive education and prevention programs, epidemiologists predict that for the foreseeable future one out of two men who have sex with men will eventually become HIV- positive.

Men who have sex with men are at extremely high risk because of:
1) the variety of their sexual practices, including receptive and insertive anal/genital, oral/genital, anal/oral, and anal/manual sex activity,
2) the large number of sexual partners with whom they engage in these sexual practices,
3) the high percentage of homosexual men who are already HIV- positive.

http://fathersforlife.org/dale/aids1.html

 

[EnemyPartyII]

It looks like you read posts the same way you apparently want to read Scripture...using the 'pick-and-choose' method.



Some version say 'committed abomination'. What things are detestable or abominations to the Lord? The Bible tells us what these things are.

yep... LOTS of things are abomination to the lord... what makes you think that the abomination in question is homosexuality? It could be women wearing pants... thats just as much abomination.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Because I didn't think I was going to have to prove each point.

Um... lets get one thing straight here RIGHT away... the HIV stats in the US are a statistical outlier, AND I suspect your source is biased anyway... lets see what the WHO has to say about WORLD WIDE HUV stats, shall we? back in a sec

 

[IamRedeemed]

The first question I asked you is where you learned it from. You must know that I imagine. Nevertheless, see GrinningDwarf's answer to your post above. #21

That should help to confirm what I said regarding the knowledge you have being a severe misinterpretation of the Scriptures.

I wouldn't know... I'm not episcopalian

But read Ezekial... it says its about charity

 

[LoG]

Nothing like a chunk of Bible verse when you're losing an argument eh?

You see a bible verse in that?

Originally Posted by Lion of God
The more the human consciounce is burned by doing what is not right, the easier it is to go further down the road.
This doesn't just apply to homosexuals but to all sin. Once we sin in an area it becomes easier to do the next time until the point is reached where it doesn't cause any problem at all. Most sin will get progressively worse as the consiounce is seared.

I used some biblical words because I thought you may have been more familiar with them but I can use psychology words too if you prefer.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

• World HIV/AIDS Statistics
  [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Source- UN AIDS June 2001
  [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]http://www.unaids.org[/FONT]

People newly infected with HIV in 2000:

• Total- 5.3 million
• Adults- 4.7 million
• Women- 2.3 million
• Children under 15- 600,000

• Number of people living with HIV/AIDS:
  • Total- 36.1 million
  • Adults- 33.0 million
  • Women- 16.9 million
  • Children under 15- 1.3 million
• AIDS deaths in 2000:
  • Total- 3 million
  • Adults- 2.5 million
  • Women- 1.4 million
  • Children under 15- 500.000

• Total Number of AIDS deaths since the beginning of the epidemic:
  • Total- 21.8 million
  • Adults- 17.5 million
  • Children under 15- 4.3 million
• Total Number of AIDS orphans since the beginning of the epidemic:
  • 13.2 million
• EstimatedNumber of people infected with HIV everday:
  • 16 thousand
    (6,500 of these are between 15-24 years old)
• An estimated 9 out of 10 HIV-positive women in developing countries DO NOT KNOW they are infected. (AAWH,1998)
• Sub-Saharan Africa accounts for only one-tenth of the world's population but continues to dwarf the rest of the world on the AIDS balance sheet, accounting for 77.98% of the global total of HIV-positive people. (UNAIDS/WHO 12/99)

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Tracking HIV Infection: Hong Kong[SIZE=-1]Since 1990, heterosexual transmission has surpassed homosexual transmission as the main route of HIV spread. Heterosexuals now account for approximately two ...[/SIZE]

 

[EnemyPartyII]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]Mode of transmission among men[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]Percent[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]Men who have sex with men (MSM)[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]47%[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]Injection drug use (IDU)[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]25%[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]Heterosexual sex[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]10%[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]Other[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]18%[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]Mode of transmission among women[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]Percent[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]Heterosexual sex[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]75%[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]Injection drug use (IDU)[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif]25%[/FONT]
http://www.whitehouse.gov/onap/facts.html

 

[EnemyPartyII]

and definitively... pretty much anything you could ever want to know is here-> http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/2006GlobalReport/default.asp

Seriously... heterosexuals are far more likely to contract HIV than homosexuals

 

[IamRedeemed]

That is absolutely true GrinningDwarf. Lovers and defenders of sin, just as satan did, look to misinterpret, misquote, malign and pervert the Scriptures, in attempts to change the perception of the truth.

And yes, that is also true, there is no one lobbying to make any cases for gluttony or greed. And yes, the homosexual agenda is about calling what is perverted "normal" and trying to force everyone to call it normal also, and even think they can control and change what God has already judged and is not changing His mind about, as He knows the plans and purposes of His creation, and He has called homosexuality detestable in His sight, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. He isn't going to change, and even if they win the battle, in the ever darkening society, they will ultimately lose the war with God almighty.

I think here we have the crux of the problem. Defenders of homosexual behavior love to quote Ezekiel 16:49



and tell us that God did not hold Sodom accountable for homosexuality. However...for some reason they never want to continue to verse 50



because the entire quote undermines their argument. What does the Lord find detestable? Well, there are the things listed in the Levitical food laws, which have been done away with under the New Covenant, and then there are things like



which were not done away with under the New Covenant.

The reason Chrisitans get so hot about this particular issue is because, while there are those who engage in the other practices mentioned such as greed and gluttony, nobody is trying seriously make the case that these other practices aren't sin. There is a strong movement to declare homosexual behavior right and just before the Lord.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Oh... and lets also rmember that homosexual women have the lowest incidence of HIV out of any sexual group

 

[IamRedeemed]

Here is the account that took place shortly before Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. As you read, keep in mind that the word "KNOW" there in verse 5 is an "intimate" knowledge, just as Adam KNEW Eve and they bore a son.



Genesis Chapter 19:1-11



1And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
3And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
10But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
11And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

And why do you have any reason to suggest that sexual immorality amongst homosexuals is any worse than sexual immorality amongst heterosexuals?

Why do homosexuals need to be specifically targeted?

Nothing like a chunk of Bible verse when you're losing an argument eh?

 

[LoG]

and definitively... pretty much anything you could ever want to know is here-> http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/2006GlobalReport/default.asp

Seriously... heterosexuals are far more likely to contract HIV than homosexuals

Those stats had nothing to say what percentage of homosexuals had HiV vs Heterosexuals. If 50% of the homosexuals have aids and only 10 % of the heterosexuals have aids then a homosexual stands a much greater risk of infection then a heterosexual.