Christian Homophobia

[Jase]

Not according to scriptures.

What's not according to scripture?

 

[Jase]

actually God also talks about death to homosexuals

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

The Old Testament also says to stone children, burn witches, and not wear 2 types of fabric. How many people obey those laws? Again, we're back to the singling out one particular sin.

 

[Jase]

Tell that to the thousands if not 10's of thousands of boys who led a lifetime of shame and guilt because of abuse suffered at the hands of priests, teachers, and others.
It has been said here that "homophobic" is the fear of homosexuals. Well guess who fears the homosexual the most, the ones who have been victimized by them. Try to remember what some of these kids went through. There are books written by them. Reading them or hearing their stories first-hand like I have, might give you a little different perspective on the true nature of the damaging effects of what God considers to be an abominable sin. I realize that there are some of you that see homosexuality and pedophiles as being two different things but it isn't the case. There is a strong parallel between the two as even Roman Catholic studies have proven.

Maybe the next time some of you want to throw around accusations of "homophobia" you may first want to ask yourself if that person has earned that right to be afraid because he learned the value of it at the tender age of 10, 11, 12 years of age at the hands of those who were supposed be trustworthy.

Ah, so because some people choose to be pedophiles, that makes homosexuality the most destructive sin? You think the abuse of 10s of thousands of children is bad? How about the billions of people, many of which are children that are starving to death because of corruption and greed? Or how about the millions upon millions of people murdered every year? Guess those aren't as bad as those evil homosexuals...

 

[LoG]

Lord I pray you let me keep my outrage inside and express myself in a calm and clear way.**

Being gay does NOT mean you are a pedophile. Being gay does NOT make you a predetor.
Being gay does NOT make you violent.

Perhaps you should have included a prayer for discernment of the truth. Between that and Google you wouldn't have been making statements you cannot substantiate except for the misinformation the gay community puts out.

A small sampling:

Despite efforts by homosexual activists to distance the gay lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the two.
the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners:
* Significant numbers of victims are males: A study of 457 male sex offenders against children in Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy found that "approximately one-third of these sexual offenders directed their sexual activity against males."3
* Homosexuals comprise less than 3 percent of the population. Relying upon three large data sets: the General Social Survey, the National Health and Social Life Survey, and the U.S. census, a recent study in Demography estimates the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 percent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 percent.4
* Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children. A study in the Journal of Sex Research found that although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.
* Homosexuality and pedophilia are interrelated sexual behaviors: The evidence does not support the argument that, by definition,
pedophiles cannot be considered homosexual because they are solely interested in boys:
* Studies show that homosexual males are sexually attracted to underage boys.6 In The Gay Report, by homosexual researchers Karla Jay and Allen Young, the authors report data showing that 73 percent of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys sixteen to nineteen years of age or younger."

Family Research Council

[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study. [/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture," wrote Steve Baldwin in, "Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement," soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review.[/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]In her thesis – also written for the Regent University Law Review – Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. …"[/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."[/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]In terms of sheer numbers, that may be true. But in terms of numbers of children abused per offender, homosexuals abuse with far greater frequency; and boys, research shows, are the much-preferred target.
WorldNetDaily

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Gay advocates correctly state that most child molesters are heterosexual males. However, this is a misleading statement, since most males are heterosexual.
In proportion to their numbers (about 1 out of 36 men), homosexual males may be more likely to engage in sex with minors: in fact, some research suggests a possible 3-to-one ratio (8). However, research in this area is not conclusive because the sexual orientation of male-on-male abusers was not always clear (some abusers are bisexuals).

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]While no more than 2% of male adults are homosexual, some studies indicate that approximately 35% of pedophiles are homosexual (9). Further, since male-on-male pedophiles victimize far more children than do heterosexual pedophiles (10), it is estimated that approximately 80% of pedophilic victims are boys who have been molested by adult males (11).[/FONT]


The Problem of Pedophilia
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There you go. Just a few articles of the many available. Still outraged? You should be but not at me.

 

[MezzaMorta]

I think some people believe (probably due to political correctness, the media and homosexual publicity) that any objection to homosexuality is homophobia and bigotry.

Seeing as there is no rational reason to be opposed to an individual being a homosexual, there is really no other reason other than hatred and homophobia that one would oppose it.

 

[MezzaMorta]

Aids for one.

Most people infected by AIDs are heterosexual and got it though heterosexual intercourse.

Two- A tendency to involve minors.

Pedophilia is not a sexual crime, it is a crime of power like rape. most Pedophiles that molest young boys are heterosexuals.

 

[LoG]

Most people infected by AIDs are heterosexual and got it though heterosexual intercourse.

Percentage wise homosexuals are at a much higher risk. Historically Aids got a foothold through the gay community. Do the research.

Pedophilia is not a sexual crime, it is a crime of power like rape. most Pedophiles that molest young boys are heterosexuals.

If a male pedophile molests a young boy he has demonstrated homosexual tendencies. This at best puts him in a bi-sexual category.

 

[MezzaMorta]

Percentage wise homosexuals are at a much higher risk. Historically Aids got a foothold through the gay community. Do the research.

Maybe true in the 70's, but not today. Percentage wise AIDs is spreading among heterosexuals far quicker than homosexuals.

If a male pedophile molests a young boy he has demonstrated homosexual tendencies. This at best puts him in a bi-sexual category.

Don't talk about a subject when you clearly know nothing about it. The psychology of a pedophile is complex, but fundamental to it is that it is not motivated by sexual pleasure or even sexual attractiveness. It is all about power, pedophiles are attracted to an certain child because of many things, but their sex is not one of them. Molesting a young boy is not a homosexual tendencie and does not indicate that the individual is a homosexual.

 

[LoG]

Maybe true in the 70's, but not today. Percentage wise AIDs is spreading among heterosexuals far quicker than homosexuals.

Then substantiate your opinion with something more then just your own words. You have already been proven incorrect earlier in this thread.

Don't talk about a subject when you clearly know nothing about it.

Why don't you stick to the topic and leave the judgements about my knowledge of the subject to those more qualified.

The psychology of a pedophile is complex, but fundamental to it is that it is not motivated by sexual pleasure or even sexual attractiveness. It is all about power, pedophiles are attracted to an certain child because of many things, but their sex is not one of them. Molesting a young boy is not a homosexual tendencie and does not indicate that the individual is a homosexual.

Most of the human race has motivations other than love in their quest for sexual gratification. Their personal preference for appropriate sex partners is still an indicator of whether we label them hetero or homosexual.

 

[dawnsday]

Perhaps you should have included a prayer for discernment of the truth. Between that and Google you wouldn't have been making statements you cannot substantiate except for the misinformation the gay community puts out.

A small sampling:

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[/FONT]There you go. Just a few articles of the many available. Still outraged? You should be but not at me.

Here is an article from an unbiased source that does NOT have an anti-gay or pro-gay agenda.

NATIONAL RAPE/SEXUAL ASSAULT STATISTICS
According to a study conducted by the National Victim Center, 1.3 women (age
18 and over) in the United States are forcibly raped each minute. That
translates to 78 an hour, 1,871 per day, or 683,000 per year.1
According to the U.S. Department of Justice, nearly 6 out of 10 rape/sexual
assault incidents are reported by victims to have occurred in their own home or
at the home of a friend, relative, or neighbor. 2
51% of the sexual assault cases studied in the Women’s Safety Project survey
were committed against young women between 16 and 21 years old. 3
In 29% of rapes, the offender used a weapon.4
According to the U.S. Department of Justice, an estimated 91% of the victims
of rape and sexual assault are female and 9 % are male. Nearly 99% of the
offenders they described in single-victim incidents are male.5
Rape or sexual assault was the violent crime least often reported to law
enforcement (28%). 6
Only 16% of rapes are ever reported to the police. In a survey of victims who
did not report rape or attempted rape to the police, the following was found as
to why no report was made: 43% thought nothing could be done, 27% felt it
was a private matter, 12% were afraid of police response, and 12% felt it was
not important enough.7
13.3% of college women indicated that they had been forced to have sex in a
dating situation.8
In a national survey 27.7% of college women reported a sexual experience since
the age of fourteen that met the legal definition of rape or attempted rape,
and 7.7% of college men reported perpetrating aggressive behavior which met
the legal definition of rape.9
Page viii
Among developmentally disabled adults, as many as 83% of the females and 32%
of the males are the victims of sexual assault.10
The National Violence Against Women Survey found that rape is a crime
committed primarily against youth. Of the women who reported being raped
sometime in their lives, 21.6% were younger than age 12, 32.4% were ages 12
to 17, 29% were ages 18 to 24, and 16.6% were over 25 years old. Thus, 54% of
women victims were under age 18 at the time of the first rape and 83% were
under the age of 25.11
Between 1/3 and 2/3 of known sexual assault victims are age 15 or younger.12
The rate of rapes and sexual assaults against lesbians and gays, rose 13%
nationally in 1995-1996, approximately twice the 6% rate for all violent
crimes.13
16% of male students surveyed by the Ms. Foundation who had committed rape,
and 10% of those who attempted a rape, took part in episodes involving
multiple perpetrators.14
Women with disabilities are raped and abused at a rate at least twice that of
the general population of women.15
4 out of 5 students (81%) have experienced some from of sexual harassment
during their school years. 16
An estimated 92,700 men are forcibly raped each year in the United States.17
77% of completed rapes are committed by someone who is known to the
victim.18
1 Kilpatrick, DJ, Edmunds CN Seymour A, 1992. Rape in America: A Report to the Nation,
Arlington, VA: National Victim Center.
2 Greenfeld, Lawrence A. 1997. Sex Offenses and Offenders: An Analysis of Data on Rape and
Sexual Assault, Washington D.C.: Bureau of Justice Statistics, Office of Justice Programs, U.S.
Department of Justice.
3 Randall, Melanie and Haskell, Lori. 1995. “Sexual Violence in Women’s Safety Project, A
Community-Based Survey.” Violence Against Women 1 (1): 6-31.
4 Violence Against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S, Dept. of Justice, 1994.
5 Ibid.
6 Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2000. Criminal Victimization 1999: Changes 1998-99 with Trends
1993-99. National Crime Victimization Survey. Washington, D.C.: Bureau of Justice Statistics,
U.S. Dept of Justice.
7 Kilpatrick, et al., 1992.
8 Johnson, I., Sigler, R., 2000. “Forced Sexual Intercourse Among Intimates,” Journal of
Interpersonal Violence,15(1).
9 Koss, M.P., Gidyez, K.A. and Wisniewski, N. The Scope of Rape: Incidence and Prevalence of
Sexual Aggression and Victimization in a National Sample of Higher Education Students. Journal
of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 1987: 55 (2) 162-170.
10 Stimson, L. and Best, M.C, “Courage Above All” Sexual Assault Against Women with
Disabilities.
Toronto, disabled Women’s Network, Canada, 1991.
11 Tjaden, Patricia and Thoennes, Nancy, November 1998. Prevalence, Incidence and
Consequences of Violence Against Women: Findings from the National Violence Against Women
Survey. Washington D.C.: National Institute of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, U.S. Dept. of
Justice.
12 Population Information Program. Population Reports: Ending Violence Against Women, 2000.
Population Information Program, Center for Communications Programs. Johns Hopkins School of
Public Health and Center for Healthcare Gender Equity.
13 Anti Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Violence Report, New York City Gay & Lesbian
Anti-Violence Project, 1996.
14 Warshaw, Robin. 1994. “I Never Called it Rape” The Ms. Report on Recognizing, Fighting and
Surviving Date & Acquaintance Rape, New York: Harper Perennial.
15 Sobsey, D., 1994. “Violence and Abuse in the Lives of People with Disabilities” The End of
Silent Acceptance, Baltimore MD: Paul H. Brooks Publishing Co, Inc.
16 Hostile Hallways: The AAUW Survey on Sexual Harassment in America’s Schools. AAUW
Educational Foundation, 1993.
17 Tjaden and Thoennes, November 1998.
18 Greenfeld, L., Sex Offenses and Offenders, 1997. Washington, D.C.: Bureau of Justice
Statistics, U.S. Dept of Justice.

www.umbrellavt.org/documents/ National%20statistics%20for%20sv.pdf

 

[LoG]

Here is an article from an unbiased source that does NOT have an anti-gay or pro-gay agenda.

Ok, that's nice. Could you point out those stats that prove your assertions:

Originally Posted by dawnsday
Being gay does NOT mean you are a pedophile. Being gay does NOT make you a predetor.
Being gay does NOT make you violent.

 

[GrinningDwarf]

If scripture were clear, there wouldn't be 35,000 different Christian sects in the world.

That, my friend, is due to the depravity of the human heart...gay and straight!!

 

[Dave01]

That, my friend, is due to the depravity of the human heart...gay and straight!!

That's right. That depraved heart doesn't want to adhere to scripture and tries to find way around it.

 

[IamRedeemed]

I am sure. We can know this by His Word.


Mark 7:21-23
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.



1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

And why do you have any reason to suggest that sexual immorality amongst homosexuals is any worse than sexual immorality amongst heterosexuals?

Why do homosexuals need to be specifically targeted?

You sure he isn't going to change? He was quite fond of supporting people stoning children to death for back talking to their parents, or not allowing us to mix fabrics, but do you see us doing that anymore?

This argument has nothing to do with scripture, it has to do with fundamentalist Christians being bigots who can't look in the mirror and see their own sin so they take it out on people born with something they have no control over. Gluttony, Greed, and Corruption are FAR FAR more destructive than homosexuality, yet ironically the most fundamentalist Christian nation on Earth has the highest rate of both Gluttony and Greed. Again, can we say hypocrites?

 

[IamRedeemed]

That, my friend, is due to the depravity of the human heart...gay and straight!!

That is true.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Well that Scripture does go on to speak to those whose bodies are the Temple of the Holy Ghost and how their bodies should be taken care of.

One sin or many does not justify a lifestyle of sin for another though.

Gluttony, while a sin against others, is also a sin against your own body. It is not healthy and doesn't preserve the temple. Abuse of drugs and alcohol are sins against your body. They are destructive to yourself and don't preserved the temple.

 

[sunlover1]

Seems to me this defends the point that homosexuality, if a sin, is a sin equal among other sins and shouldn't be "picked on" when the others are dismissed.

I think it's because like someone said, noone is saying murder, whoremongering, etc. isn't sin.

This might be the reason it 'seems' to get picked on.

imo

 

[UnitedInChrist]

Aids for one. Two- A tendency to involve minors.
Before I was 16 years of age I had been propositioned 4-5 times by different middleaged homosexuals. Fortunately in a public place each time. I know a few who were forced. The long-term ramifications of those acts are pretty bad. Usually worse then a heterosexual rape.

Never once got propositioned by an older woman looking to make my day.

In 2007, the fastest growing group of people with AIDs, is in fact WOMEN. AIDs hits everyone. Yes, homosexuals were the first ones to be targeted, and then their #s declined as others grew due to needles, blood transfusons, etc... If you were propositioned by gay men, than yes, that is wrong..@ 16. Forced...hmmm...not sure what you mean by that, but again, it is the person..NOT the homosexual person. Most child molestation cases, BY FAR, are from heterosexual men, AND for the most part, it is someone that is a close friend to the fmaily. Long term ramifications of those acts can be damaging, but not nearly as bad as women whom are raped..and by heterosexual men at that. Again, let's be honest here. Thanks.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

Good... and this has what to do with homosexuals, specifically, that it doesn't have to do with heterosexuals?

Enemy...it's just another thread of fundamentalists that are obsessed and over the top with their sexual issues. Never before I came to this forum had I realized...quite shocking. For many, pleasure in life is always equated to sin. When they make their bodys out to be temples of destruction, sin, filth, etc...there's a problem there, and they begin to use the gross misuse of the bible to pull scripture to show it. Truly sad...but again...it's the way they practice their beliefs. The way they did it with slavery, they did with segregation, they today do with homosexuality...Oh well..what can you do.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

Tell that to the thousands if not 10's of thousands of boys who led a lifetime of shame and guilt because of abuse suffered at the hands of priests, teachers, and others.
It has been said here that "homophobic" is the fear of homosexuals. Well guess who fears the homosexual the most, the ones who have been victimized by them. Try to remember what some of these kids went through. There are books written by them. Reading them or hearing their stories first-hand like I have, might give you a little different perspective on the true nature of the damaging effects of what God considers to be an abominable sin. I realize that there are some of you that see homosexuality and pedophiles as being two different things but it isn't the case. There is a strong parallel between the two as even Roman Catholic studies have proven.

Maybe the next time some of you want to throw around accusations of "homophobia" you may first want to ask yourself if that person has earned that right to be afraid because he learned the value of it at the tender age of 10, 11, 12 years of age at the hands of those who were supposed be trustworthy.

Lion, you are SOOOOO wrong with what you've stated here. Typically I'd read and just think it's someone's opinion and then leave it go. What you have stated is just incorrect at so many levels. Victims are one thing..and there are by FAR more victims of sexual abuse by heterosexual men than homosexuals, sherely by the population alone. Second of all, they are COMPLETELY different. Pedophila is a crime for starters. Secondly, most cases show that it is from a family member/friend. Also, there is a GROWING number of FEMALE teachers that have been arrested for this with their teenage MALE students. What happened in the Catholic church is tragic at best. The church covered it up without bringing charges against these men, and it grew and grew until it finally collapsed from the inside. It isn't a "catholic" thing as just on 20/20 a few weeks ago, it showed over 600 baptist preachers that were arrested and charged for the same types of crimes. Sure, those kids that were violated have a right to be afraid, but not afraid of homosexuality. A woman being raped by a man is far more likely to happen, and you don't expect women to go through out their lives fearful of men..although some do unfortuantely. Again, you are comparing apples to oranges and it can not be done.