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Christian elves - (not directly role-play related)

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I'm still having difficulty understanding this, but 'd like to hear from the gentleman who believes he is a dragon kin. I need to know more about your understanding of your understanding of this.
What would you like to know, although, don't expect to see any answers like Erufailon. He wrote a very in depth essay, for a lack of a better term, on just about everything about being elven. But the thing is, dragons and elves are different. Obviously. Some of the questions you may ask, I will probably not know. I just became "aware" of my kin-ness a short time ago.
 
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kittykatz1988 said:
You know what? Isn't a characteristic of a christian understanding? At least acceptance? Do not argue about that which you do not understand. And criticizing won't help you seem more intelligent or any more correct.
I assume this is leveled at me. I'm not critizing, I am curious. I am concerned about brothers in Christ being deluded or swayed by Satan. Understanding and acceptance has limits, and one can voice their opinion in a state of concern and love for a fellow Christian. I am not trying to be 'more intelligent' or correct, this is something I've never heard from a Christian before and want to know more about. Being correct is not an issue either, because each must be lead their own hearts and come to understanding of things by the fruits of their convictions.
 
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onikirimaru777 said:
What would you like to know, although, don't expect to see any answers like Erufailon. He wrote a very in depth essay, for a lack of a better term, on just about everything about being elven. But the thing is, dragons and elves are different. Obviously. Some of the questions you may ask, I will probably not know. I just became "aware" of my kin-ness a short time ago.
FIrst of all I feel that dragons, or something like them, existed. I feel that it is referenced in Job (I do not believe that was a Crocodile as some translations have assumed). I think there is enough examples of dragons in every culture's legends that there HAS to be some real basis for them. Do they exist now...I don't think so. How do you feel your kin-ness with dragons? How do you think it relates to your faith and understanding that we are all made in God's image? Could you accept even the possibility that you are being deceived or are deluded in your feelings? If God spoke to you and claimed your feelings were not from Him, but from the Great Deceiver, would you distance yourself from your feelings of kinship? Thanks for any reply, and feel free to discuss other aspects of it.
 
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Hey guys, interesting topic.

Most people would probably come into this shocked that such a thing could exist, but I seem to have a propensity for ending up in very strange situations and knowing very strange people, so as it happens, I'm experienced with a similar phenomenon. Namely Therianthropy.
The name Therianthropy comes from the greek therion (beast) and anthropos (man). It is a suprisingly widespread phenomenon in which people believe that they in some way are part animal. Most often I've seen it explained that they have both a human soul and an animal soul. I encountered this because I'm personaly acquainted with several people who believe themselves to be lycanthropes, werewolves.
After talking with these people extensively about their beliefs, and why they believe them, I have no doubt whatsoever that in the particular case of the people I know, the phenomenon is demonic in nature. I don't mean to suggest that all those who have posted in here are in a similar situation, and from what I've seen so far there are marked differences. I just wanted to explain my background somewhat.

Now, I'm something of an odd mix of believer and skeptic... I will leave open the possability of things that most people would discount out of hand, and I believe things that many people would consider pretty far out there. However, I also question everything and I use reason and logic to test things.

I can understand some of the things you guys have talked about, how you've felt different, drawn out, a different kinship than the people around you etc. I understand those things because I feel them as well. As a christian, however, the bible is the basis, the starting point, or litmus test for all of my views. So if I'm going to believe in elves, dragons, etc, I have to see where it fits into the biblical account. I'm even willing to give strong consideration to extra biblical literature such as apocryphal texts and psudoepigraphica.

Given that, I don't see where a non-human race such as elves fits in. They would have to have been created, like humans, at the beginning, and I don't see that. However, I do believe that humanity has changed over time, not in an evolutionary sense, but rather more in a de-evolution. That is, mankind has become lesser as the ages have passed. In that view it is possible, and I am willing to believe, that some lines of descent could retain more of the ancient greatness than others. Also it is possible that something like that could skip generations and reappear in a prodigy type of person (like Aragorn for a fantasy refrence ;) )

Another factor involved in that I believe is that I believe there is a spiritual awakening that people experience different levels of. This sounds terribly new age I suppose, and I am not. I believe first of all that people who have truly experienced christ and the life transforming power of God through Jesus are awakened in a way that those who do not have that experience aren't. This may seem very obvious but I think we often don't realise the full extent and impact of the change that this works in us. Furthermore, the christian life is a progression, running the race, and fighting the good fight if you will, along that path, as we get closer, we experience things that open our eyes, and broaden our horizons even further.. at least that has been my experience.

The only way I could account for non human descent in the gene pool would be the various incedents of nephilim and rephaim etc, and those are not good.
 
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How do you feel your kin-ness with dragons? How do you think it relates to your faith and understanding that we are all made in God's image? Could you accept even the possibility that you are being deceived or are deluded in your feelings? If God spoke to you and claimed your feelings were not from Him, but from the Great Deceiver, would you distance yourself from your feelings of kinship?
Well, i feel that I am a dragon on a spiritual level, not a physical one. I do not bear any trait of the dragon whatsoever. Although, i do not believe all dragons appear to be the ones that traditional european stories (or asian ones, for that matter) portray them as, i do know that I do not bear any of the physical traits of the dragon. I believe my spirit, my soul, is that of the dragon. I believe that God made all things, big and small, visible or invisible. And that belief leads me to another: I believe that there is a plane beyond our sight called the Astral. Many others believe in it, just go google it for more refrences. I believe the dragons lie on this plane. I believe that I was once a very, well, disagreeable dragon, and this life, my human form, is my second chance. Yes, it is very farfetched and ive been debating the idea of it mentally for quite some time, but thats just what i feel God has told me. On the question of if i believe I'm made in God's image, let me pose a question: What does God look like?

On the question of if i could accept that my kin-ness could be from Satan, i personally have debated the idea that it could very well be a demonic trick to pull me from God. But there is just that odd feeling that God made me this way, and He loves me, and it IS true. Its hard to explain, but I just feel its right. Although, if I were to come to the knowledge that my nature, or my beliefs rather, are demonic in nature, i would, very hesitatingly, give them up and accept "normality".
 
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Thank you for your response oni.

The Astral Plane is a concept taken from greek mythology and expanded upon. It's where the gods and other angelic beings lived. In terms of Christianity, one could stretch the concept into the realm where heaven is located. If that's the case, the only way one can go there is through Jesus, and many believe that none are there until judgement day.

Planar beliefs are traditionally an aspect of occult tradition, which is dangerous.
 
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Planar beliefs are traditionally an aspect of occult tradition, which is dangerous.
So i've noticed. I believe that Astral isn't directly where Heaven is located, nor Hell. I believe it is a transitional plane. I believe that Heaven and Hell lie on there on distinct planes, but touch the Astral, which overlaps the Material. Yes, i sound like a huge D&D freak, but this is just what i believe. I have no biblical or scientific fact to back this up, its just what i believe. I doubt God would put His Heaven on the Astral for any knowledgable magician/psychic to project onto those planes. *shrug*
 
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well planar talk is interesting. I was raised protestant (and still am) and by and large we have a very anemic view/understanding of heaven/hell or "the planes". Through study, I have come to lean much more towards the hebrew conceptions of the planes. They believed in seven heavens, seven underworlds (kind of like hells) and 10 spheres of darkness (kind of planes of spiritual darkness).

The seven heavens began with the lowest being the solar system, then the stars and deep space (if I remember correctly, its been a while). After that the heavens become more other planar or spiritual if you prefer. Each heaven is home to different angels and wonders until the 7th is home to God's very throne room.

In the bible Paul makes refrence to a man he knew who was "caught up to third heaven". Many people feel paul was talking about himself. In anycase I've never been satisfied with the standard protestant explanation of what the third heaven was (or what the first two were). Given the fact that Paul was undoubtedly well educated in hebrew lore, I feel it is likely he was speaking of the hebrew 3rd heaven, which would be 3rd of 7.
 
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I've actually read about the seven layers of heaven, but i never really thought about it until now. I always thought that the third heaven was actually were earth was situated, well, either earth or heaven (cant remember which). And Hell actually overlaps with earth or something. I probably butchered that horribly, but thats what i remember. I dont exactly believe that, although it is interesting. Ive always thought that layers of hell were those of dante, but there are nine of those. *shrug*
 
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Hmm, I'm learning so much about things I actually care about. Nephlim, planes and dragons are the part of christianity/jewism I like the best. Much better than people screaming 'jesus loves you' from the top of buildings.
 
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Megachihuahua said:
Much better than people screaming 'jesus loves you' from the top of buildings.
^_^ I haven't seen too much of that, Mega. Just remember that Jesus is the only way to heaven! Over analysis of heaven, hell and discussion of planes, dragons and such is fun but ultimately frivilous. We'll know the truth when we die or when Jesus returns.
 
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Every scriptural reference about actual dragons (not dinosaurs or alligators!) that I've seen has been as a Satanic symbol... :( And then noticing how prevalent it is in pagan cultures I sort of wonder how 'kin-ness' with them can be of God. After all, the devil can appear as an angel of light... (Another message board I was on was having a discussion about dragons specifically, stemming from a book by John Hagee.)

Plus, as others might have noted already, searches for 'other-kin' turn up a lot of pagan links...

Alright, so these are all from Revelation. :)

[bible]Revelation 12:3[/bible]
[bible]Revelation 12:4[/bible]
[bible]Revelation 12:7[/bible]
[bible]Revelation 12:9[/bible]
[bible]Revelation 12:13[/bible]
[bible]Revelation 12:16[/bible]
[bible]Revelation 12:17[/bible]
[bible]Revelation 13:2[/bible]
[bible]Revelation 13:4[/bible]
[bible]Revelation 13:11[/bible]
[bible]Revelation 16:13[/bible]
[bible]Revelation 20:2[/bible]

Heeeey... all this dragon=Satan stuff yields some interesting logic... *sig change!*
 
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I saw this interesting documentary about the Revelation. In it, it explains the mindset of John when he wrote the Revelation. He was incredibly angry with the Roman empire, so scholars believe the Revelation, while it seems like a Prophecy, is most likely a way to inspire other christians in Rome to keep on preaching and to tell them that their persecutions will not be in vain. I do not know if its true or not, but it does seem plausible, seeing as the symbol of Rome is the Red Dragon. Also, if the Revelation is true to its words, then I see that Satan taking on the form of a dragon is him showing which beast is the most powerful of God's creations. Do you believe snakes are innatly evil based on the fact that Satan took on the form of one in Eden? I believe its just a symbol for power. Also, I believe that dragons are neutral spirits on the astral, some good, some bad, some apathetic. Good and bad is based on worshiping of Satan or God. And about the otherkin sites, ive noticed the same thing...quite irritating, actually.

And no, Dragons dont equal Satan ^_^
 
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Well, I took the Dragons=Satan logic and applied it to Dungeons and Dragons! That was... fun, hehehe.

Meh... I do a search for Christian Otherkin and half the time it's some kind of slam on Christianity... bleh.

I looked at an interesting Otherkin traits list and found that probably half of them suited me! :p I think I'm just a weird human, though... what caught my attention is that people more likely to Awaken were frequently involved in stuff like the occult, Wicca, other pagan stuff, tarot... the kind of things that would open people up to demonic influence. I pray that it's not some kind of demonic manifestation-- not a pleasant thought, but a possibility that I feel that I must voice. (Others might've already, but I'm too lazy to read back! :p)

It's the whole reincarnation aspect I don't buy... for it is appointed unto men once to die, and then judgement.

Must research more. :D
 
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yeah, ive noticed alot of the other otherkin (heh heh heh, that sounds cool) are unchristian, usually into that new age ****. I never used magick as a means to "awaken", God just kinda told me what happened one day. I was like "woah..." and God goes "Hooray for second chances", then i realized God really does have a sense of humor. The theory of being an otherkin must be taken very lightly, seeing as theres always a possibility that you are clinging to false hopes or demonic influences, but that hasnt happened to me. I personally find my kinness as a way of coping through some tough times, a way of coping that God gave me. Ive also had this odd sensation about some people, even without talking to them. The just "feel" like 'kin to me. But I have never talked to them about their kinness, seeing as its an odd topic of discussion. *shrugs* All in all, don't trust the internet.
 
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Dude, you need to feed your turtle! :p

Hehehe... 'other' otherkin... how did this 'Awakening' happen, anyway? And how do you know it was God? (I'm really terrible with discernment...)

I have friends who I swear could be Otherkin! They could be really weird humans, but... meh, who knows?
 
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