Christian elves - (not directly role-play related)

[Kookaburra]

sorta like the time I forgot my birthday? Lol ... I don't think this issue even needs debate, it's a matter of personal opinion.

 

[Fire Of Zion]

okay...really I must say, I LOVE to think i'm an elf...and DARRIONS i understand what you're saying but its just fun...like ya know how some little girls like to dress up and call themselves a princess or queen or whatever? its fun! Tho i admit there are some freaks who go around saying they really ARE an elf...they have gone too far. but it is still fun because sometimes i don't always like to be just human because human...is boring and everyday. its human nature to not want to be ourselves... if that makes any sense....

 

[cyberwing]

Might I suggest you all read the book "Waking the Dead" by John Eldredge? It will help you understand why we all enjoy these epic stories and what God is doing in our hearts when we embrace these stories! It helped me to understand why I enjoy fantasy and science fiction so much and realize that it was my CREATOR that put that love in my heart and it is HE that is directing it, for it has a PURPOSE!
Our Creator is so much more than we can imagine, it is HE that first created the idea of nobility! It is HE that created men and women to be as we are. I most strongly recommend you read that book before you condemn yourself for enjoying His Gifts! You will find understanding of your self, your gifts AND HIS calling upon your life! It will bless you! It sure blessed me and set me free to be what God intended for me to be. It is man that tends to mess up God's directions....
{{{{BIG CYBER HUGS}}}}}
~Cyberwing

If you wish to believe you ARE an elf or dragon that is your choice but I agree with Darrions, I think she put it very gracefully. We are God's creation and we should honor what HE has wrought. We humans are fearfully and wonderfully made, the Word of God says! I love and admire horses but I know that I am not one. That doesn't mean I can't admire them though for what they are and love them!

 

[Fire Of Zion]

AMEN!!!

 

[onikirimaru777]

the otherkin, be them elves, dragons, elementals, etc, are all humans in a sense, but we have the SOULS of something else. I, being a dragon, have always felt like i dont belong and the feeling of the wind has always made me...happy. I still respect my human side, but my dragon longs to come to the surface. I respect God for making me a dragon. Yes, i am fearfully and wonderfully made, in every sense.

 

[Fire Of Zion]

lol... very interestingly put oni!

 

[onikirimaru777]

Heh, thanks. Oh, and its been awhile elven_believer. Hows the RP section of this site goin?

 

[Fire Of Zion]

not as much fun w/out you! lol... i've missed you!

 

[onikirimaru777]

ah, heh. I've been working on my forum, which turned to a pill of poo shortly after. So i started a new one thats less complicated. Its a chat/rpg forum...but only three people are there, lol.

 

[Fire Of Zion]

lol... which one is it?

 

[onikirimaru777]

heh, the site is:

http://shiken.3.forumer.com

but not alot of people are on yet, and im probably gonna change the RPG section a bit. Seeing as it doesnt have a storyline yet. And ive been debating coming here more, for the RPG section at least. Maybe when my new comp comes in...

 

[Fire Of Zion]

ahhhh...i see.... *nods* mmmm

 

[CJF]

Okay, I don't want to offend anyone at all, but I am going to be very blunt. God did not make anyone a dragon or an elf or a farie. Most importantly, God did not make our souls those things. Where would you come up with something like that? Our souls are just that, our souls. No one has a dragon for a soul, or an elf for a soul. Sorry, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that. And, I'm sorry, but until you give me a scripture that says that God made our souls into fantasy creatures, you have nothing to argue with.

Our souls are eternal. Our souls are what goes to Heaven. Our souls are what Satan and Jesus are constantly fighting over. To go so far as to say that our souls are fantasy creatures is insaine. Sorry, I believe that my soul is my soul. It's not an elf, or a dragon or anything of the sort. My soul belongs to Christ.

 

[Morwen]

Whoopdeedo. Sorry, I'm irritable right now...I kinda get what your saying though. I can still pretend to half elf features, etc.

 

[Fire Of Zion]

i understand completely... but God gave us imaginations...what should we do with them? Stare at a box, afraid to think anything besides normal? sry...i guess i just don't think it matters...no one can force their opinions on others... i can't make DARRIONS think what i do and she can't make me think what she thinks... end of story

 

[onikirimaru777]

i can't make DARRIONS think what i do and she can't make me think what she thinks... end of story

Exactly what I only wish the whole world knew. Not just about DARRIONS, about everyone else in the world. Almost everyones eyes are closed to everyone elses hearts and souls around them, even our christian brothers and sisters. Will you not accept each and every believer for who they are, no matter what they believe or not. I'm not saying that you MUST believe what we do, but if we are christians, then why not at least come to us with open arms, instead of preaching against one or more of our beliefs. So, you may not believe the otherkin for who they are, but believe some of us for being christians. Accept our souls for our choice in faiths, not of our souls origins. I've thanked God thousands of times for my draconity. Not because im weird or overly nerdy, but because it is a part of me and the thought of my soul not being human has helped me out in some dark times, with Christ's help, of course. I have this whole rant on ignorance, but i'll save that for later.

So says the dragon...

 

[CJF]

Okay, to clarify, I don't think pretending to be a fantasy creature is wrong. I do it all the time. I dress up, put make-up on and everything, and pretend I'm an elf. But to actually say that in real life you're an elf, that's going to far.

 

[Fire Of Zion]

is this getting us anywhere? i really don't think this is worth it...

 

[Fire Of Zion]

DARRIONS!!!! I LUV UR SIG!!!!!!!!

No more dating! I'm just waiting!

Like Sleeping Beauty, ​

My prince will come for me​

​

 

[Erufailon]

Wow, I just checked back and I'm shocked to find that this topic is still being discussed. Since I was just checking for general interest initially I haven't really been following it, but having opened this can of worms I feel it's only polite to say a word or two.

First of all, it's really not a big issue to me whether individuals believe in elves or not - that wasn't the original question. I do find it rather disturbing that some have such a strong desire to criticise the beliefs of others which they happen not to share.

There are a couple of relevant things I have learned slowly as a Christian and a scientist, the hard way, with age and experience. Make that three, or four things!

- Most of reality cannot (yet) be observed by our senses or technologies. I would hazard a guess that at least 90% of what is real is beyond human capability to detect. That's not a problem, we're limited and it's acceptable to live within our limitations, but I think it is good to acknowledge them.

- Out of those things which we can observe, we don't see them as they really are. Take vision as an example. What we think we see is not really what our eyes see. Our brains use various visual clues and a vast amount of processing in order to build a "virtual reality" within our brain - which is what we think we are seeing. That's why we need to learn so much about our environment when we are babies (touch and taste everything) - we use that data to recognise objects and build our "virtual reality". It's also why many optical illusions work.

- The Bible doesn't mention everything which is. Thank goodness! We are not capable of dealing with that level of information. It does however mention things which are important. Many things which are more or less irrelevant in our mortal existance are missed out. Like it or not, the existance of elves is simply not very relevant to scripture. The gospel is equally valid with or without the existance of elves.

So as a result of these observations, and from experience, I suggest that concepts of what is "real" (existential questions) are not necessarily purely objective, but contain an element of subjectivity. If a concept is real to one person, and they live that reality, then I would tend to say that it is real (whether the rest of us like it or not).

There are currently a good number of individuals who feel they are "elven" in some way. Many of them live to some extent according to that identity. Some of them are Christian. Personally I can say that exploring my elven identity has helped me really grasp some of Jesus' teachings far more deeply than I ever managed before. Anyway, my feeling is that even if you don't believe that elves ever walked this earth, the fact that there are individuals living according to an identity which they describe as "elven" makes the concept itself real. A more valid quesion, IMHO, would be "what does it mean to call onesself an elf?". That is a question frequently discussed amoung those who describe themselves as elven, and each probably has a subtly different answers. I'll happily admit that I don't yet know exactly what it means, but I'm learning.

At the end of the day, we're not going to be judged on the basis of knowing the correct facts. We're going to be judged according to God's own criteria, of which we know some (Love of God & neighbour). More than that, we know that in judging others we only serve to heap judgement upon ourselves.

St. Augustine said, "Love [God], and do what you will". For some reason Christians mostly seem to have forgotten this wonderful teaching, and allowed the Wiccans to adopt a slightly modified version as their own rede "An ye harm none, do what ye will". Personally I like to extend Augustine's version using Jesus' summary of the essentials of the law, and say "Love [God and your neighbour], and do what you will". Then any suggestion of harm (or lack or acceptance, tolerance, etc.) is beyond question.

Sorry about the rant. I hope there might be something here which is helpful of thought-provoking for someone. I don't mean to criticise, just to suggest that let's see things for what they are (or aren't) and be a bit more accepting.

"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things." - Philippians 4:6, NIV

- Erufailon.