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Christian elves - (not directly role-play related)

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Are you sure you can say that without studying about it? Your profile says your 14 so i would imagine you are still in school. You are saying you don't have time to read that all, so how can you say "elves are not real" without even trying to learn the other side of the story?

I know I and my husband are Elves and we have Elven ancestors. It was a long time ago but we have had the experience and done the research. In fact we are still doing the research. This isn't something we came to believe in lightly in a short time. In fact we are still researching and learning. It's been over four years now since we learned for sure that Elves were real and we had ancestors who were Elves.

We have spent hours and days over these years studying ancient sources online and in libraries. My husband even did some research in college and his English final essay was on the Elves, which he got an "A" on. I just don't see how anyone can just dismiss the possibility without even bothering to do any study. If someones mind is closed then I would be worried that God would have a hard time getting through. :(

I just would hope some of you would be willing to learn and at least be open to things that your general education and society has said does not exist. Some people say God does not exist, but do you believe that? You know he exists because you have the experience with God and you've studied God. So when someone says elves don't exist but they have nothing to back that up it's really sad.
This isnt worth my time and it doesnt matter if Im in school. Fact is Ive never seen an elf. Neither have you.
 
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Elves are pretty interesting and all....but they dont exist...someone may have pointy ears dosent mean they're an elf...its just a birth defect or something else like plastic surgery.I love elves,they're neat to think about and they're really cool in movies,but in real life?They're not existant
 
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Elves are pretty interesting and all....but they dont exist...someone may have pointy ears dosent mean they're an elf...its just a birth defect or something else like plastic surgery.I love elves,they're neat to think about and they're really cool in movies,but in real life?They're not existant
Thank you Disciple
 
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We know that men were made just a little lower than angels. We also know angels were created before men. We know angels have the ability to choose to serve God or to rebel against Gods will. Angels have spirits because the scriptures state that angels are ministering spirits. Angels have several different "classes" - there are high angelic beings such as Seraphim and Cherubim, there is the Archangel, and then we have messenger angels and ministering angels.

There are angels that can take on the form of men, and that angels can even marry and have children by men (Genesis 6). We know that the fallen angel known as Satan was in the garden of Eden in the form of a serpent prior to the creation of man. (Gen 1 -3, Ezekiel 28)

Now why would Christians balk at the existence of Elves? First, they have been misled by "fairy tale" stories of which 90% portray Elves as what they are NOT. So let's see what Elves are not.
Elves are not, 1) Santas helpers,
2) Harry Potters House Elves
3) Small Leprechaun type beings with sharp features and pointed ears
4) Small winged creatures that sit on mushrooms and flowers
5) Small fat creatures that live inside trees, in the leaves, or underground...

What Elves ARE:
1) Persons of human size and physique
2) May be slightly more intelligent than average humans
3) Have spiritual abilities and knowledge greater than humans
4) May have pointed ears, but not the exagerated ears portrayed in artwork and the movies.
5) Have been historically persecuted by organized religion in much the same way true Christians have been persecuted by organized religion. (The most famous being the Albigensian crusade in France)

Obviously the organized mideaval church considered Elves to be as much a threat to them as heretics. because Elves were close to nature they were often accused as witches. Some Elves were pagan, but others were Christian (like the Albigens/Cathars) - but the Church persecuted them all the same.

Many Christians deny the existence of Elves by claiming Elves are not mentioned in the Bible. But there was no word for "Elf" as we know it, and Elf is a more recent translation of the Scandanavian word "Alfar," and the Old English "Aelf."
As I've said, there is also no word for "human" (homo sapiens) in scripture either, though most Christians assume "man" and "men" refer to human beings. Interestingly, the "mighty men, men of renoun" mentioned in Genesis 6:4 are translated from the words "gibbowr " (mighty men) and "enowsh." Gibbowr means a strong, mighty, or brave man. Enowsh means "a man, mortal man, person, or mankind." Yet these people were actually hybrids created by angels (sons of God) intermarrying with humans!

This deserves greater study because it is assumed by most Christians that ALL the offspring of these angelic/human uniones were evil. It appears that the giants mentioned in Genesis 6:4 may have all been evil. (Giants is translated from "nĕphiyl" the word we know as "Nephilim"). But then we have these "mighty men of old, men of renown" who, from the proper translation were "strong, mighty, brave men (heros) who were men of renown - famous and of great reputation." Renown is translated from the primitive Hebrew word "shem" which is exactly the same name Noah gave to his firstborn son, Shem, who happened to be the father of the semetic tribes! Why would Noah, a righteous man, name his firstborn son the same name given to the mighty men of renown if the mighty men of renown were really evil?
I believe the "mighty men of renown" were (obviously) a hybrid race with angelic ancestry. They were not the evil ones.

So, to conclude: we most certainly DO have evidence of people in Scripture who are not of the human race. We have several types of angels: beings only slightly higher than men, and we have different types of hybrid born of angelic and human unions. Tolkiens mythology, (based on history), portrays Elves "awakening" upon Earth, and in the very beginning we see that some of the Elves marry beings called the Maiar, who are angelic beings.

For those who argue that Elves are not mentioned in the Bible, I would ask you to reconsider in light of this evidence. Dinosaurs are not mentioned by name in scripture either, but we know they did exaist because of fossil discoveries, and in the Bible there are mentioned creatures like Dragons, Leviathan, and Behemoth which do appear to fit the descriptions of dinosaurs. Likewise we have people in the Bible, from Adam and Eve prior to their fall, Melchizedek, and the mighty men of renown who do appear to fit the description of true historical Elves.
 
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Are you suggesting that the Cathars were elves?


Also, in the cases of the nephilim and the gibborim and other 'angelic hybrids' it is abudnantly clear that they were all evil and further, the angels who participated in such activity were and are reserved special punnishment because of the terrible nature of their transgression.

I'm very well versed in both history and mythology. I am also open minded. I'm not averse to the idea that elves could exist in some form.

However, things like suggesting that the Cathars/albigensians were christian elves isn't terribly credible. First of all their beliefs weren't really christian. Secondly, there is nothing about them as a people which indicates that they were anything other than human.
 
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Are you suggesting that the Cathars were elves?


Also, in the cases of the nephilim and the gibborim and other 'angelic hybrids' it is abudnantly clear that they were all evil and further, the angels who participated in such activity were and are reserved special punnishment because of the terrible nature of their transgression.

I'm very well versed in both history and mythology. I am also open minded. I'm not averse to the idea that elves could exist in some form.

However, things like suggesting that the Cathars/albigensians were christian elves isn't terribly credible. First of all their beliefs weren't really christian. Secondly, there is nothing about them as a people which indicates that they were anything other than human.

Some of the Cathars were Elves but that doesn't mean every single one was.
Saying their beliefs aren't really Christian is an unworthy judgment. Why weren't they Christian? Because they denied the hierarchy of the Roman church or believed their form of worship preceded the Roman church? Or because they didn't believe in a literal hell? (Neither do 7th Day Adventists, but they are usually considered Christians). Or is it the reincarnation belief? What's the big deal? There ARE a couple of scriptures that hint to reincarnation, though I do not personally believe in reincarnation, especially as taught by Eastern religious thought. Or is it the Gnostic beliefs?

How can one judge these people? My wife and I happen to believe some Gnostic beliefs. We do believe Jesus Christ physically died on a cross and was resurrected physically which does deviate from most Gnostic belief. I believe Jesus may have been married to Mary Magdalene, but whether he was or wasn't and no matter which way you believe it does not affect salvation so long as you believe ON CHRIST alone.

I do not necessarily believe ALL offspring of the angel/human unions was evil. And especially the offspring of those offspring. The "mighty men of renown" show no indication of being evil. The giants on the other hand do show up in scripture as being warlike and persecuting the Israelites.

I do not believe all of the angels involved are going to be destroyed. I base this mainly on what is written in The Book of Enoch. Although they were detained, we see first that many of them sought Gods mercy, confessed their sins and desired to repent. At that time God did not grant repentence, but God threw in a little twist that is interesting. God said that the angels ought to pray for men rather than men pray for the angels. Do you honestly think that eternally condemned beings are going to bother praying for men? I believe God is testing them and in the end some will most likely be redeemed.

Also, don't forget, these particular angels left heaven but did not become followers of Satan. They are NOT of the 1/3 that were cast out. basically they were "neutral", at least in their own minds. But they did seek to return to Gods good graces, unlike Satan and the demonic angels who spurn God, who killed Christ, and who do not desire to repent.

Well, at least you believe Elves could exist in some form.

Personally I believe it is somewhat of a racist jab when people say "Elves aren't real," or "They don't exist." That's like saying Native Americans or Black people aren't real or don't exist.
 
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This isnt worth my time and it doesnt matter if Im in school. Fact is Ive never seen an elf. Neither have you.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean that school comment as an offense. What I mean is you are still young, you are still learning. You will learn things next year that you don't know about this year. My husband went through high school and a lot of other education and he didn't have a clue about elves until he was in his late thirties. At first he wasn't sure until they were revealed more and more to him. I think he was 41 when he knew without any doubt that elves were real.
Maybe you have never seen an elf but I don't know. Maybe you have seen an elf but just didn't know it. Not every elf has pointy ears. Some do and some don't. I happen to have them but my husband doesn't. He does have the eyesight of the elves, and I don't have it. We have different elven traits because we are not full blooded elves. I don't think there are full blooded elevs anymore because they mingled with men so all we ahve is elf and human hybrids.
We have both seen elves and we have seen other spirit creatures that inhabit the world. Some are good and some are bad.
Here's a picture of a little wood gnome my husband took about 10 years ago

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This isn't the clearest photo but it shows the little face clearly.
 
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Some of the Cathars were Elves but that doesn't mean every single one was.
Saying their beliefs aren't really Christian is an unworthy judgment. Why weren't they Christian? Because they denied the hierarchy of the Roman church or believed their form of worship preceded the Roman church? Or because they didn't believe in a literal hell? (Neither do 7th Day Adventists, but they are usually considered Christians). Or is it the reincarnation belief? What's the big deal? There ARE a couple of scriptures that hint to reincarnation, though I do not personally believe in reincarnation, especially as taught by Eastern religious thought. Or is it the Gnostic beliefs?

How can one judge these people? My wife and I happen to believe some Gnostic beliefs. We do believe Jesus Christ physically died on a cross and was resurrected physically which does deviate from most Gnostic belief. I believe Jesus may have been married to Mary Magdalene, but whether he was or wasn't and no matter which way you believe it does not affect salvation so long as you believe ON CHRIST alone.

I do not necessarily believe ALL offspring of the angel/human unions was evil. And especially the offspring of those offspring. The "mighty men of renown" show no indication of being evil. The giants on the other hand do show up in scripture as being warlike and persecuting the Israelites.

I do not believe all of the angels involved are going to be destroyed. I base this mainly on what is written in The Book of Enoch. Although they were detained, we see first that many of them sought Gods mercy, confessed their sins and desired to repent. At that time God did not grant repentence, but God threw in a little twist that is interesting. God said that the angels ought to pray for men rather than men pray for the angels. Do you honestly think that eternally condemned beings are going to bother praying for men? I believe God is testing them and in the end some will most likely be redeemed.

Also, don't forget, these particular angels left heaven but did not become followers of Satan. They are NOT of the 1/3 that were cast out. basically they were "neutral", at least in their own minds. But they did seek to return to Gods good graces, unlike Satan and the demonic angels who spurn God, who killed Christ, and who do not desire to repent.

Well, at least you believe Elves could exist in some form.

Personally I believe it is somewhat of a racist jab when people say "Elves aren't real," or "They don't exist." That's like saying Native Americans or Black people aren't real or don't exist.
I actually see black people people though. My best friend is black. But Ive never met an elf
 
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Some of the Cathars were Elves but that doesn't mean every single one was.
Saying their beliefs aren't really Christian is an unworthy judgment. Why weren't they Christian? Because they denied the hierarchy of the Roman church or believed their form of worship preceded the Roman church? Or because they didn't believe in a literal hell? (Neither do 7th Day Adventists, but they are usually considered Christians). Or is it the reincarnation belief? What's the big deal? There ARE a couple of scriptures that hint to reincarnation, though I do not personally believe in reincarnation, especially as taught by Eastern religious thought. Or is it the Gnostic beliefs?

How can one judge these people? My wife and I happen to believe some Gnostic beliefs. We do believe Jesus Christ physically died on a cross and was resurrected physically which does deviate from most Gnostic belief. I believe Jesus may have been married to Mary Magdalene, but whether he was or wasn't and no matter which way you believe it does not affect salvation so long as you believe ON CHRIST alone.

I do not necessarily believe ALL offspring of the angel/human unions was evil. And especially the offspring of those offspring. The "mighty men of renown" show no indication of being evil. The giants on the other hand do show up in scripture as being warlike and persecuting the Israelites.

I do not believe all of the angels involved are going to be destroyed. I base this mainly on what is written in The Book of Enoch. Although they were detained, we see first that many of them sought Gods mercy, confessed their sins and desired to repent. At that time God did not grant repentence, but God threw in a little twist that is interesting. God said that the angels ought to pray for men rather than men pray for the angels. Do you honestly think that eternally condemned beings are going to bother praying for men? I believe God is testing them and in the end some will most likely be redeemed.

Also, don't forget, these particular angels left heaven but did not become followers of Satan. They are NOT of the 1/3 that were cast out. basically they were "neutral", at least in their own minds. But they did seek to return to Gods good graces, unlike Satan and the demonic angels who spurn God, who killed Christ, and who do not desire to repent.

Well, at least you believe Elves could exist in some form.

Personally I believe it is somewhat of a racist jab when people say "Elves aren't real," or "They don't exist." That's like saying Native Americans or Black people aren't real or don't exist.
I actually see black people people though. My best friend is black. But Ive never met an elf
 
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean that school comment as an offense. What I mean is you are still young, you are still learning. You will learn things next year that you don't know about this year. My husband went through high school and a lot of other education and he didn't have a clue about elves until he was in his late thirties. At first he wasn't sure until they were revealed more and more to him. I think he was 41 when he knew without any doubt that elves were real.
Maybe you have never seen an elf but I don't know. Maybe you have seen an elf but just didn't know it. Not every elf has pointy ears. Some do and some don't. I happen to have them but my husband doesn't. He does have the eyesight of the elves, and I don't have it. We have different elven traits because we are not full blooded elves. I don't think there are full blooded elevs anymore because they mingled with men so all we ahve is elf and human hybrids.
We have both seen elves and we have seen other spirit creatures that inhabit the world. Some are good and some are bad.
Here's a picture of a little wood gnome my husband took about 10 years ago

gnome4.jpg


This isn't the clearest photo but it shows the little face clearly.
Ill check the picture later this comp wont show it but fact is Ive never seen anything about elf sightings ever. Its not in the bible that elves were there either. And just because you have good eyesight or pointy ears doesnt mean you have "elven traits"
 
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looks like a chipmunk...

You find me a chipmunk in there! That's what I was taking a picture of but out of 3 pics taken there wasn't one chipmunk. I think the gnome shapeshifted into a chipmunk to hide from me but when I took the pics it showed up for what it really was. Oh, and by the way I had this photo (the original, not a computer pic) annalysed by someone who is a computer graffic artist and has all kinds of enhancement programs. He stated that there was really something there and the features of the face were way too symetrical to be a naturally occuring phenomenon. Let me post a couple of other pics of this creature...

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(This next one was enhanced & filtered on a college computer)
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Now tell me that grey little face with a cap on is a Chipmunk.....
 
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Yah, this is creepy. I enlarged it 200X and inverted the colors....

color_inverted_gnome.jpg


Still a face, but different from the gnome face. This one looks kind of sinister. If you can't see it, sit back about 2 feet from the screen.
Definitely a shapeshifter.
But no matter what we do to this picture we have never seen a chipmunk, only a little creature with a face: eyes, nose, and mouth are clearly there.
Notice also in the inverted pic how the "cloak" is more visible?
Man, I wish I had my friends graffic program because I could really work with this.

By the way, THIS is a chipmunk. Doesn't look anything like what's in the picture I took:

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