Chrislam?

[Nietzscheiswrong]

Those who defend muslims are left-wing (most of them marxist-atheist communist).

They defend a culture which is the opposite of ours because the enemy of their enemy is a friend not an enemy. Anyone who defends islam either does not know what sharia law is/know what happens to christians in muslim countries or fall in the category of self-hating people.

They are so anti-capitalism that go to the other extreme. Seeing that communism is a failed messiah and doesn't exist if not in rural countries and where the masses are ignorant i.e. in countries like cuba, north korea, vietnam and china.
Islam is the only opposing ideology/force to the US and capitalism. They suffer from ideological bias - Us hatred and hatred of capitalism and are nostalgic of the iron curtain and of a clash of ideologies - and mix it with infantile sentimentalism, humanitarianism, heretic love of neighbor even if he wants to destroy me kind of theology.

The myth of equal rights. Islamic people don't want equal rights nor do they want democracy because they don't understand democracy. Their culture being inherently socialist in a theocratic sense. The individual does not exist but is just an appendix to the state in this case Allah.

Sharia law is OT law written in arabic for beduins and Christ is NT if anyone forgot. Hence the two are seperate and irreconciliable just like judaism is with christianity and judaism is ot...The mimicry of praying for someone because he says the ugly truth doesn't work. Instead of turning on a fake scandalism act just open a history book, read the koran, inform yourselves on what being a muslim means in countries like pakistan etc and what being christian entails in those countries-death and not a pleasant one.

In short go to school and learn something instead of dishing out the sentimental and emotional "how dare you say that how xenophobic of you! lets be internationalists instead like good communists would and run around in circles - a merry go round!" nonsense.

Grow up and face the truth. Islam is a barbaric religion invented by a lunatic and a psychiatrically pathological individual who compensated his lack of a father with another, self-proclaiming himself to be a chosen one much like pedophile priests do today.

The only reason why priests go on with their save islam rants is because they know it is old testament. It is precisely that which is being eroded in the West by our secular culture and it is precisely the old testament which gives the laws for a theocratic state which is (here comes a bomb shell) governed by priests of course. Theirs is not love of God but love of self and the wish to go back to the past before the French revolution where state and church were one and hence priests had all the power even the temporal one.

Appaling devil's advocate and sucidal instinct (socially) in the name of ideology and ecumenism.

 

[WarriorAngel]

• Watch Personal Testimonies of Muslims
• Munira becomes Fatima (Catholic)
• Muslim Ahmed becomes Catholic
• Muslim Syed Hadeed becomes Catholic
• Muslim Mehboob Khan becomes Catholic
• Muslim Salma Ali becomes Catholic
• Mohammed Ciniraj accepts Jesus as God
• Muslim Iyisha Beevi accepts Jesus as God
• Muslim convert into Catholicism - Mary and the miracle of the bleeding CRUCIFIX

 

[WarriorAngel]

Really? Your justification for stereotyping Muslims is to use a movie? And then when someone else counters with another movie, you just claim it's not "true to life?"

That's not an argument at all.

Yah because Catholic priests beheaded Muslims?

Actually Dark Lite i am up on history. I am up on the Crusades.
And Black Hawk Down is based on a real story - and to boot - Somalians are now pirates.
Or maybe we can ignore the pirate attacks being done now? hmm.

To defend Muslims to the point of attacking Catholics [which the COUNTER movie does] - is interesting. To say the least.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Yah because Catholic priests beheaded Muslims?

Actually Dark Lite i am up on history. I am up on the Crusades.

Then you're aware of the raping and pillaging that went on? You can claim it wasn't at the behest of the Church. But that doesn't matter. It still happened. People can be pushed to do any number of things when the conditions are just right.

To defend Muslims to the point of attacking Catholics [which the COUNTER movie does] - is interesting. To say the least.

To characterize criticism of your reasoning and recognition of the fact that not all Muslims are terrorists or supporting of terrorism as "defend[ing] Muslims to the point of attacking Catholics" is far more interesting. It's an argument from the martyr complex: "I perceive that they dislike me, therefore I must be correct." It's a logical fallacy.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Those who defend muslims are left-wing (most of them marxist-atheist communist).

A rather big assertion with absolutely nothing to back it up. No one here is atheist, obviously. This is the Catholic forum. And I highly doubt anyone here agrees with Marxism or communism. Communism works on paper, but in reality it fails because of human greed. That's the reason why every attempt at communism has failed. Those leading the "people's revolution" think it's a good idea. But then they realize they're in power and can do whatever they want. Then, the whole idea of communism falls apart.

Anyone who defends islam either does not know what sharia law is/know what happens to christians in muslim countries or fall in the category of self-hating people.

Two more broadbrushing assertions with no supporting reasoning. I'm guessing most people in this thread are aware of what Sharia is and the extremes it can bring forth. I'm also guessing that no one here hates him/herself.

They are so anti-capitalism that go to the other extreme. Seeing that communism is a failed messiah and doesn't exist if not in rural countries and where the masses are ignorant i.e. in countries like cuba, north korea, vietnam and china.
Islam is the only opposing ideology/force to the US and capitalism. They suffer from ideological bias - Us hatred and hatred of capitalism and are nostalgic of the iron curtain and of a clash of ideologies - and mix it with infantile sentimentalism, humanitarianism, heretic love of neighbor even if he wants to destroy me kind of theology.

More baseless ad hominem attacks.

The myth of equal rights. Islamic people don't want equal rights nor do they want democracy because they don't understand democracy. Their culture being inherently socialist in a theocratic sense. The individual does not exist but is just an appendix to the state in this case Allah.

And what about Islamic democracies?

In short go to school and learn something instead of dishing out the sentimental and emotional "how dare you say that how xenophobic of you! lets be internationalists instead like good communists would and run around in circles - a merry go round!" nonsense.

For someone whose post is basically one giant insulting generalization against the people who disagree with him, without any supporting evidence, filled with sensationalist rhetoric ("marxist-atheist communist?" In the Catholic forum?), this is an entertaining statement to say the least.

 

[isshinwhat]

And what about Islamic democracies?

Democracy is operating with great difficulty in Indonesia, Iran, Mali, and Pakistan. The rise of al-Qaeda and it's affiliates in those countries, as well as state sponsored terrorism, is an incredible stumbling block towards democratization. Even in the case of the Philippines and Malaysia, Abu Sayyaf and MILF, both affiliated with al-Qaeda, are stoking insurgencies. Pray for those who are trying to bring peace to those regions.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Then you're aware of the raping and pillaging that went on? You can claim it wasn't at the behest of the Church. But that doesn't matter. It still happened. People can be pushed to do any number of things when the conditions are just right.



To characterize criticism of your reasoning and recognition of the fact that not all Muslims are terrorists or supporting of terrorism as "defend[ing] Muslims to the point of attacking Catholics" is far more interesting. It's an argument from the martyr complex: "I perceive that they dislike me, therefore I must be correct." It's a logical fallacy.

Another victim of revisionism.

All i need is in the writings of that time. The speeches of the Pope and the historical writings of letters and scholars research to know it was NOT at the behest of the Church.

In fact it was every Muslim's right to pillage, attack, take wives, rape and take over the holy Churches.

History is not only able to be known, but frankly the renderings are visible today in that the mosques they have in the Middle East were once Catholic Churches.

Letters were studied of the periods of the crusades. The Byzantine empire implored Rome to assist them in the attacks from the Muslims. Muhammads followers.

MANY Christians died needless and violent deaths. But it should not take us too much imagination to ascertain that, since in our days Christians are being bloodied to death in the Middle East. For what? For being Christian.

It is irrational to state and unwise to suggest they are peaceful. They can be peaceful, but their way of life, sharia law, the haddiths of Muhammad and the koran all teach violence. So it is not only possible that they can use force and violence for Allah, but many times it is considered IMPERATIVE.

Muhammad promised booty and wives for pillaging and violence.
IF you think they can deny this, then you have to believe also they deny their great prophet.

Just as 'they' state the crusades were because of the Christians, they also state the holocaust of the Jews did not happen.


The Crusades and the Contributions of Islam

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=+3]Things you should know:[/SIZE][/FONT]

• Islam spread far from its birthplace in the modern nation of Saudi Arabia. By AD1095, Muslim territory included land where Jesus Christ lived. Christians warriors of the era believed Christians, not Muslims, should control their holy lands.
• The Crusades were a series of wars initiated by Christians to win back their holy lands from Muslims.
• The Crusaders we
  
  re ultimately unable to reclaim their holy lands, but the wars had another effect: Western Europeans had left their homes to fight in a distant war. The stories of the returning Crusaders encouraged their countrymen to look beyond their own villages for the first time.

Internet History Sourcebooks Project

Writings:

2. Raymond d'Aguiliers
Thereupon, we crossed the sea and went up to Nicaea. For the Duke, Bohemund, and the other princes had preceded the Count and were engaged in the labors of the siege. The city of Nicaea is very strongly fortified by nature, as well as by art. It has on the west a very large lake flowing up to the wall; on the remaining three sides is a moat filled with the overflow of certain little streams; in addition, it is encircled by walls so high that neither the assaults of men nor the attacks of any machine are feared. Indeed, the ballistae of the neighboring towers are so turned with reference to one another that no one can approach without danger; however, if anyone wants to approach nearer, he is easily overwhelmed from the top of the towers without being able to retaliate.
Accordingly, this city, such as we have described, was besieged by Bohemund from the north, by the Duke and the Alemanni from the east, by the Count and Bishop of Puy from the middle, for the Count of Normandy was not yet with us. But we believe this one incident should not be passed over - that when the Count was about to encamp there with his men, the Turks, descending from the mountains in two squadrons, attacked our army. Their plan, indeed, was that while one party of the Turks assailed the Duke and the Alemanni who were on the east, the other party, entering the middle gate of the city and passing out through another, would easily drive our men from the camp at a time when they were not expecting such an attack. But God, who is wont to reverse the plan of the impious, so altered their preparations that, as if it had been arranged, He sent the Count, who was preparing to encamp with his men, upon the squadron of Turks which was now about to enter the city. He put them to flight at the first charge and, after killing several, pursued the rest to the top of the mountain. The other party of Turks which wanted to attack the Alemanni was put to flight in the same way and destroyed. After this, machines were constructed and the wall attacked in vain, for it was very firm against us and was valiantly defended by arrows and machines. So we fought five weeks with no result. At length, through God's will, some men of the household of the Bishop and the Count dangerously enough approached the comer tower which faced the east, and having made a testudo, they began, after a struggle., to undermine one of the towers and by digging threw it to the ground. Thus the city would have been taken, had not the shadows of night prevented. However, the wall was rebuilt during the night, and this rendered our former labor vain. At length the city, terrified with fear, was compelled to surrender. One reason was that the ships of the Emperor which had been dragged over the land were let down into the lake. They therefore gave themselves up to the Emperor, since they now expected no further aid and saw the army of the Franks increasing daily, while they were cut off from their forces. The Count of Normandy had come. Alexius had promised the princes and the people of the Franks that be would give them all the gold, silver, horses, and goods within (the city), and that be would establish there a Latin monastery and hospice for the poor Franks; besides, that be would give to each one of the army so much of his own possessions that they would always want to fight for him. Accordingly, the Franks, placing faith in these promises, approved the surrender. And so, when Alexius had received the city, be afforded the army such an example of gratitude that as long as they live the people will curse him and proclaim him a traitor.
We recognized, then, that the Emperor had betrayed Peter the Hermit, who had long before come to Constantinople with a great multitude. For he compelled him, ignorant of the locality and of all military matters, to cross the Strait with his men and exposed them to the Turks. Moreover, when the Turks from Nicea saw that unwarlike multitude, they cut them down without effort and delay to the number of sixty thousand. The rest, indeed, fled to a certain fortified place and escaped the swords of the Turks. The Turks, made bold and haughty by this, sent the arms and the captives which they had taken there to the Saracens and the nobles of their own race, and they wrote to the peoples and cities far off that the Franks were of no account in battle.



[Alexiad 11:2]
But though the Emperor wished to attach himself to the Gauls and advance with them against the barbarians, yet, fearing their countless multitude, he decided to go to Pelecanum, in order that by camping near Nicaea he might learn what was happening to the Gauls, and also learn the undertakings of the Turks outside, as well as the conditions in the city. . . .

 

[Rochir]

NO, the movie Black Hawk Down isnt about charity - its about how Muslims act in great numbers.

Ever been to Mekka during the Haddsch ? Millions of muslims gather there; Thousands of Muslims gathered in the streetsa of Tunis and Kairo to tumble their opressive regimes!

As I said - you'd like it if people judged YOUR faith according to the IRA or the latest abuse scandals

 

[WarriorAngel]

Ever been to Mekka during the Haddsch ? Millions of muslims gather there; Thousands of Muslims gathered in the streetsa of Tunis and Kairo to tumble their opressive regimes!

As I said - you'd like it if people judged YOUR faith according to the IRA or the latest abuse scandals

Tell us what dhimmi means.

 

[ebia]

Those who defend muslims are left-wing (most of them marxist-atheist communist).

Cardinal Arinze is a left wing Marxist-atheist communist?

 

[S.ilvio]

Some of the posts here are goingover the line of racism and xenophobia. I, as a Catholic, cannot allow it go on without doing my duty and reporting WA.

I'd be ashamed if my Muslim friends read Wa's comments and thought they were widley held among fellow Catholics.

Thankfully WA is in a small minority...

 

[ebia]

Some of the posts here are goingover the line of racism and xenophobia. I, as a Catholic, cannot allow it go on without doing my duty and reporting WA.

I'd be ashamed if my Muslim friends read Wa's comments and thought they were widley held among fellow Catholics.

Thankfully WA is in a small minority...

I haven't read the whole thread. Have the relevant passages from Nostra Aetate and papal documents been posted so readers will know that WA's position is contrary to the official line of the Church?

 

[S.ilvio]

I haven't read the whole thread. Have the relevant passages from Nostra Aetate and papal documents been posted so readers will know that WA's position is contrary to the official line of the Church?

I don't think so...

 

[ebia]

DECLARATION ON
THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
NOSTRA AETATE [Vatican II]
PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON OCTOBER 28, 1965


3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.

 

[ebia]

Seems useful:

http://m.whatistruth.webnode.com/ap...atican-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam/

 

[LinuxUser]

Why Islam is incompatible with Christianity and how it contradicts itself:

Contradictions in the Qur'an | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry



What part dont you like Jared? Have you seen Black Hawk Down? A true story.
The Somalian poor needed food and because of the great violence, the troops had to drop food off via arial means.
Terrorist Islamics ruled and rule the country. [Hence pirates]
The terrorists took the food, shot women and children and they were left to die.
Meantime, America went in to take out the terrorists so the ppl could eat.
You would think it would have been simple.

Fact is, every person in the city - men - women - children carried and used guns against the troops. When the Hawks went down some of the men were pulled apart at their limbs and their bodies shown off.

This was the entire city...

This was true.

Why am i the bad guy?
Somalia is 100% Muslim. They dont care for the poor - they left them starve to death [literally] and they dont care if someone is trying to help them.
There is no government and their was no compassion.
One guy who went down in the Hawk came out alive.

THIS is not me, this is the true story. If you watched it, you would understand. Very violent.

Your the bad guy because your not liberal enough

Many think one has to be liberal to be catholic

 

[Memento Mori]

Your the bad guy because your not liberal enough

Many think one has to be liberal to be catholic

Where liberalism came into the equation I have no idea. This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with a distorted view of the world. There is a strong undercurrent of us-vs-them thinking which dehumanizes Muslims and characterizes them with prejudice.

 

[LinuxUser]

For some reason everyone thinks politics when the word liberal is mentioned, not sure why. It was knowledge way back when that one needed a liberal outlook to be catholic. When I converted I was even ask if I was going to become liberal in my outlook. When I say liberal I am talking about a way of life, one that I absolutely hate.

 

[ebia]

For some reason everyone thinks politics when the word liberal is mentioned, not sure why.

If people are misunderstanding you, perhaps you need to define your terms.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Pope Benedict XVl, the Holy Father said, "Pray also for the terrorists, as they do not know that not only do they harm their neighbor, but above all they harm themselves". Concerned about what was happening in the Holy Land, Benedict XVI added: "Now we experience a worsening of the conflict in Lebanon, but also in many other parts of the world there are people suffering because of hunger and violence. Contemplative life, rich in charity opens heaven to humanity, which so needs it, as today in the world it is as if God did not exist. And where God is not, there is violence and terrorism".[2]