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Dan. 8.14 says it will take 2300 days to cleanse the Temple. Jesus steps down on the 2300th day in 2022 from the day before passover 2016 when the Red Heifer and Lamb are dedicated to the newly constructed Temple.

That was herod's temple, not some future event.


The Church is not removed. The body of Christ remains on earth to lead people to Christ still by the Holy Spirit.

No.

The church is not appointed to wrath. Wrath begins at the 6th seal.
We are in heaven by then which is why Revelation 7 shows us there.

1 Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

Rev 6:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 7:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
 
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No, there is no seven year covenant. It says the covenant is confirmed for seven years.
"Seven year covenant" is the same as "the covenant is confirmed for seven years".

No, the new covenant is not seven years. There is no seven year covenant. The new covenant, which is eternal, is confirmed by Jesus with many for seven years.
Just as there are 7 years to each of Daniel's 69 sevens so is the 70th seven. You're confusing the new covenant of the cross. Jesus never amade any covenant for 7 years. You're confused.

Agreed - there is no seven year covenant. There is no seven year covenant mentioned in Daniel 9. There is no seven year covenant made by Christ. There is no seven year covenant made by the antichrist.
You agreed Paul never said there was a 7 year covenant of Christ on the cross. There is a 7 year covenant in Dan. 9.27 "one unit of seven". You agree there is no 7 year covenant by Jesus. Praise the Lord. Antichrist makes a covenant for 7 years though then breaks it in the middle (Dan. 9.27).

It is Jesus who confirms the New Covenant with many of Israel for seven years, 3 1/2 of which is already complete.
No seven your covenant by Jesus, nor 3.5 years either.

You're confused. You said "There is no seven year covenant made by Christ" and "It is Jesus who confirms the New Covenant with many of Israel for seven years".

Funny.

Think about it: Daniel 9 is talking about how Israel is going to be reconciled to God through Messiah the Prince, the Prince that shall come and supposedly there's no mention of the New Covenant????
No mention of a new covenant in Dan. 9.27. The prince in Dan. 9.27 doesn't reconcile but "he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." You're so confused.

The covenant with many that is confirmed by Jesus is the New Covenant. It is the New Covenant that takes away the sins of Israel and completes all that is listed in Daniel 9:24.
Jesus never made a covenant for "one week" (Dan. 9.27) so that is not the new covenant, just a treaty by the Antichrist who breaks it in the middle.

The New Covenant doesn't take away the sins of Israel, but saves people from their sins. Israel will be restored as a nation when Jesus returns; even so Israel may still have many non-believers in its nation, but the restoration of Israel is about the antion being preserved for Jesus to reign from the 3rd Temple on earth for 1000 years. You're confused.

No, Jesus' ministry was 3 1/2 years. He was born in the fall and died in the Spring. His ministry began when he was 30.
I know the day Jesus was born and died. He was born Sept., 6 BC Tishri 15. He died April 1, 33 AD. His ministry was 3 years. And no covenant by Jesus for 3.5 or 7 years. Silly. He began his ministry when he was 34 or 35 and died at 37.5.

Yes, sealed and protected just like we are sealed and protected.
No the Jews are not sealed the same way. This was a protection from being killed, not about being born-again.

Hence, the covenant that Christ confirms with many for one seven!
No covenant by Jesus for 7 years that's why you can't find any quote, but certainly after the desolations to the end where humans almost destroy themselves Jesus returns for the sake of the elect.
 
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That was herod's temple, not some future event.
No 7 year covenant around Herod's temple.

The church is not appointed to wrath. Wrath begins at the 6th seal. We are in heaven by then which is why Revelation 7 shows us there.
The bowls of wrath are the last 24 months of the 7th trumpet. Rev. 11.15 is before that as are Rev. 14.14-16, 1 Thess. 4.14-18. The Tribulation begins at the end of the 6th seal. No Christian goes to heaven at the start of the Tribulation unless they fulfill the condition of Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10.

1 Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

Rev 6:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 7:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Just because a Christian enters the Tribulation doesn't mean he is appointed to wrath. God's wrath is not on him.

The initial wrath is of course the commencement of the Tribulation, but the "bowls of wrath" are near the end of the Tribulation. The general rapture and resurrection occurs before the bowls of wrath, not before the Tribulation.

Rev. 7.9 is the first rapture, but it is according to readiness.
 
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The reason why it says in Dan. 9.25 that Jesus is cut off after the 69th seven is because it is after though within days after. Otherwise it would have said Jesus was cut off in the middle of the 70th seven with the first half of the 70th seven overlapping the second half of the 69th seven. Silly.
 
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He alone can never die since He is God. How does that discount Hell or the fact that humans are permanently existing, made in God's image? Just because someone is permanently existing doesn't mean that person has eternal life or will receive eternal life.

Pretty plain--God alone is immortal--Jesus did die--on the cross. We are made in His image. Image=likeness--as in appearance, form, not in His exact clone, with His personality, with His immortality--immortality is given to the saved at His appearing. What you say doesn't even make sense--permanently existing is eternal life--if you are an animate object. Only an inanimate object can permanently exist without life--to be burning forever in pain would require life, a rock can not feel pain and can not be punished.
 
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Are Sodom and Gomorrah still burning??
"Do not fear them who can kill the body only rather fear Him who can destroy both the soul and body in hell" (Matt. 10.28). "Destroy" doesn't here mean annihilation, but in the lexicon: "render useless...to perish, to be lost, ruined...to lose...metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell...to put out of the way entirely, abolish."

The unsaved can no longer do damage to the elect because they will be eternally separated from us like a prisoner locked in jail for life. "The hour is coming...unto the resurrection of life" and separated by a thousand years, some "unto the resurrection of damnation" (John 5.28-29). Nowhere does it say cease to exist.

"He that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him" (John 3.36). Abideth.

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matt. 25.46).

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the exclusion of the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" (2 Thess. 1.8-9).

It such an important matter we should hear words like "annihilation" not "separation" and "exclusion".

The word is clear on the matter. Judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah hardly relates to annihilation, but rather verdict.
 
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Pretty plain--God alone is immortal--Jesus did die--on the cross. We are made in His image. Image=likeness--as in appearance, form, not in His exact clone, with His personality, with His immortality--immortality is given to the saved at His appearing. What you say doesn't even make sense--permanently existing is eternal life--if you are an animate object. Only an inanimate object can permanently exist without life--to be burning forever in pain would require life, a rock can not feel pain and can not be punished.
Jesus resurrected but everyone else sleeps but Jesus. God's image can never cease to exist. What God makes in His image is permanently existing whether that be with Him or not with Him.

All souls are permanently existing but not all souls receive eternal life. The unsaved don't have eternal life, so they go to Hell. The Bible defines eternal life as eternal blessings and an ability to have a relationship with God; never does it refer to not being annihilated. Even the unsaved are resurrected, 1000 years after the saved. It doesn't refer to permanently existing. Indeed, when you go to Hell and even now your spirit is like rock dead to God. Dead Biblically here means cessation of communication.

They "will never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out" (Is. 66.24).

Not sure how the Bible can be any more clear! Christians believe in Hell. Since you don't, you're not a Christian, and thus, will go to Hell. You want your own way, a law you create unto yourself. Perhaps you even fancy the idea that you will one day cease to exist so whatever you do now will not be eternally punished.

Delusion abounds. You want to be eternally separated, though existing, from the God who creates a permanent Hell for the unsaved. You have decided. Your choice. You accuse Him of being sadistic and evil.

Free will is not truly free without this free choice, so you would worship a god who creates subpar beings who have no free will to be able to refuse God for eternity. God wants real human beings, not robots.
 
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Sodom and Gomorrah look pretty well annihilated to me--but if you want to believe they're somewhere still burning in pain--go right ahead. None of what you say makes any sense and your math pretty well sucks. Everyone that has made a prediction as to when Jesus returns have been made to look foolish. Jesus and the angels do not know, neither do you and you can add numbers from here to the day He appears and you will still not know. I'll just skip the rest of this thread--all this math is giving me a headache. Besides, the bible says those days will be shortened, so whatever date you pick, God may have His own thoughts on the matter---His choice, not yours. He comes when He wants to, not when you say He does. The universe is His own personal wristwatch--His timing is perfect, yours, on the other hand--is not.
 
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Sodom and Gomorrah look pretty well annihilated to me--but if you want to believe they're somewhere still burning in pain--go right ahead. None of what you say makes any sense and your math pretty well sucks. Everyone that has made a prediction as to when Jesus returns have been made to look foolish. Jesus and the angels do not know, neither do you and you can add numbers from here to the day He appears and you will still not know. I'll just skip the rest of this thread--all this math is giving me a headache. Besides, the bible says those days will be shortened, so whatever date you pick, God may have His own thoughts on the matter---His choice, not yours. He comes when He wants to, not when you say He does. The universe is His own personal wristwatch--His timing is perfect, yours, on the other hand--is not.
Cities burning in pain? I thought we were talking about human beings?

They "will never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out" (Is. 66.24). Since you admit you will always reject this God who does this and you will never cease to exist, being made in God's image, then your destination is obvious.

Everyone who tried to make a prediction Jesus would return before 1948 obviously would be wrong because the branch was not yet tender (Matt. 24.32). Everyone who has made a prediction Jesus would return before 2015 would be wrong because Rev. 6.12 had not yet be fulfilled. Anyone who says Jesus would return before 2022 would likewise be wrong because Jesus returns at the end of the 7 years, after the 7 trumpets, not before. And anyone who claims Jesus returns after 2022 would also be wrong because that would be more than a lifetime when Israel was a nation which violates "near" or "right at the gates".

The Bible never says you can't know when He returns. It does say you can't know when He returns before Israel is a nation, and that you can't know when the end of the world takes place, and you can't know if you are a carnal Christian. But once Israel is a nation again the Bible says you can "know" even "right at the door" (Matt. 24.33) when Jesus returns, particularly because we know when the events of Rev. 6.12 take place and the Trib starts on Feast of Trumpets.

My prayer for you is stop rejecting this God. He is the only one!
 
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I do not, never will, reject God---I reject your theories, your views of who He is.
You reject the God who says you "will never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out" (Is. 66.24).

After you die you won't change your mind. Notice people in their 100's, 90's, 80's, 70's, 60's, 50's (almost always) never give their lives to Christ.

You have long since decided to reject the God who said this and that makes me sad for you, but God said I won't forever shed a tear for you, because you will go where you truly belong.
 
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Seven year covenant" is the same as "the covenant is confirmed for seven years".


Just as there are 7 years to each of Daniel's 69 sevens so is the 70th seven. You're confusing the new covenant of the cross. Jesus never amade any covenant for 7 years. You're confused.


You agreed Paul never said there was a 7 year covenant of Christ on the cross. There is a 7 year covenant in Dan. 9.27 "one unit of seven". You agree there is no 7 year covenant by Jesus. Praise the Lord. Antichrist makes a covenant for 7 years though then breaks it in the middle (Dan. 9.27).


There is no 7 year covenant.

Daniel 9 doesn't say there's a 7 year covenant.

It says, "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one seven."

The New Covenant is confirmed by Jesus with many of Israel during the final week of years. 3 1/2 are complete and 3 1/2 remain. This is exactly what Paul was saying in Romans 11:

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

No seven your covenant by Jesus, nor 3.5 years either.

You're confused. You said "There is no seven year covenant made by Christ" and "It is Jesus who confirms the New Covenant with many of Israel for seven years".

Funny.

The New Covenant is not seven years. That is your error in thinking.

The New Covenant is confirmed with many by Jesus for seven years.

Paul understood it. He said blindness has happened to Israel in part until the fulness of the gentiles is come in and then all Israel will be saved and "this is my(Jesus') covenant unto them (Israel) when I shall take away their sins."



No mention of a new covenant in Dan. 9.27. The prince in Dan. 9.27 doesn't reconcile but "he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." You're so confused.

No mention of a new covenant in Daniel 9, eh?

Then how, oh how, will Israel be reconciled to God?




Jesus never made a covenant for "one week" (Dan. 9.27) so that is not the new covenant, just a treaty by the Antichrist who breaks it in the middle.

You are still missing it.

It doesn't say Jesus made a covenant for one week.

It says "he shall confirm the covenant with many for one seven".

Jesus spends seven years confirming the covenant with many of Israel.




The New Covenant doesn't take away the sins of Israel, but saves people from their sins.

Not scriptural.

Scripture says:

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
 
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No 7 year covenant around Herod's temple.


The bowls of wrath are the last 24 months of the 7th trumpet. Rev. 11.15 is before that as are Rev. 14.14-16, 1 Thess. 4.14-18. The Tribulation begins at the end of the 6th seal. No Christian goes to heaven at the start of the Tribulation unless they fulfill the condition of Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10.


Just because a Christian enters the Tribulation doesn't mean he is appointed to wrath. God's wrath is not on him.

The initial wrath is of course the commencement of the Tribulation, but the "bowls of wrath" are near the end of the Tribulation. The general rapture and resurrection occurs before the bowls of wrath, not before the Tribulation.

Rev. 7.9 is the first rapture, but it is according to readiness.


Scripture is clear. Wrath begins at the 6th seal and the church is not appointed to suffer wrath.
 
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The reason why it says in Dan. 9.25 that Jesus is cut off after the 69th seven is because it is after though within days after. Otherwise it would have said Jesus was cut off in the middle of the 70th seven with the first half of the 70th seven overlapping the second half of the 69th seven. Silly.

Jesus is here for the 70th seven when He is confirming the New Covenant with many of Israel.

3 1/2 years of that final seven are complete during Jesus' ministry when He came to the lost sheep of Israel and many accepted him.

The gentiles were then ingrafted until the fulness of the gentiles is come in.

3 1/2 more years of the final seven are yet to come when 144,000 of all Israel is saved.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
 
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There is no 7 year covenant. Daniel 9 doesn't say there's a 7 year covenant. It says, "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one seven."
All sixty-nine sevens are seven years each. Why wouldn't the seventieth seven?

The New Covenant is confirmed by Jesus with many of Israel during the final week of years. 3 1/2 are complete and 3 1/2 remain. This is exactly what Paul was saying in Romans 11:

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
I don't recall Jesus making a covenant with anyone for 7 years or 3 1/2 years. Israel is still in. And "the fulness of the Gentiles" has not occurred yet.

Dan. 9.27 is not the cross, since verse 26 is 70 AD, and Jesus died on the cross as per verse 25. You have things ass backwards. Dan. 9.27 refers to the prince of the Romans who is the Antichrist who breaks a covenant with many in the middle usher in his reign of terror.

The New Covenant is not seven years. That is your error in thinking.
I don't believe the New Covenant is 7 years, nor is 3 1/2 years.

The New Covenant is confirmed with many by Jesus for seven years.
You're quite the doubletalker. You said "The New Covenant is NOT seven years" then you said "The New Covenant is confirmed with many by Jesus for seven years." You're confused.

Paul understood it. He said blindness has happened to Israel in part until the fulness of the gentiles is come in and then all Israel will be saved and "this is my(Jesus') covenant unto them (Israel) when I shall take away their sins."
Israel is still in sin. Dan. 9.24 is not fulfilled yet.

No mention of a new covenant in Daniel 9, eh? Then how, oh how, will Israel be reconciled to God?
It doesn't say new covenant, but we know Jesus who was cut off (Dan. 9.25) does o for the sins of the world and this is the new covenant. Dan. 9.27 is a covenant for one seven. The atonement is not for 7 years.

You are still missing it. It doesn't say Jesus made a covenant for one week. It says "he shall confirm the covenant with many for one seven". Jesus spends seven years confirming the covenant with many of Israel.
I never said Jesus made a covenant for one week. That's what you keep saying. Let me quote you again what you said: "The New Covenant is confirmed with many by Jesus for seven years."

Jesus never spent seven years confirming any covenant. He ministered for 3 years, perhaps a little less than 3, and then He was cut off after the 69th seven. You're confused.

Not scriptural. Scripture says:

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
The covenant with Israel is that the nation will be saved when Jesus returns. Individually, Jew or Gentile, to be saved one must receive what Jesus did on the cross which is the New Covenant. The Old Covenant was under the law to show nobody could keep the law, so God instituted sacrifices to atone for sin. Jesus is the once-for-all sacrifice, the fulfilment of the Old Covenant in the New Covenant.
 
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Scripture is clear. Wrath begins at the 6th seal and the church is not appointed to suffer wrath.
The bowls of wrath do not start at the 6th Seal.

1 Thessalonians 1.10 “The wrath to come” - This is the Great Tribulation. Since the Lord Jesus will deliver us from the wrath to come, we must be raptured before the Great Tribulation. Also, 1 Thessalonians 5.9 “For God appointed us not unto wrath” - Once again this “wrath” has reference to the Great Tribulation. Let me say, though, that such an interpretation of “wrath” here as being the Great Tribulation is incorrect. How do we know that this wrath must necessarily be the wrath in the Great Tribulation? And even if it were granted that it is, such an interpretation of this word “wrath” would still be unreasonable because the Great Tribulation, on the one hand, is God’s punishment and wrath coming upon the unbelievers, and on the other hand is Satan’s attack and wrath descending on the believers. When Satan assaults the believers, the latter enter into the experience of the Great Tribulation but do not come under the wrath of God.
 
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Jesus is here for the 70th seven when He is confirming the New Covenant with many of Israel.
Jesus produces the New Covenant with not just Israel but everyone when He is cut off after the 69th seven, before the 70th seven.

3 1/2 years of that final seven are complete during Jesus' ministry when He came to the lost sheep of Israel and many accepted him.
The 70th seven has never started since Jesus is cut off after the 69th seven, not during the final seven. Jesus ministered a little under 3 years.

3 1/2 more years of the final seven are yet to come when 144,000 of all Israel is saved.
The first 3 1/2 years is Rev. 8 the first four trumpets of the Tribulation. The 144,000 of Israel (Rev. 7.1-8) refers to those who are physically protected and hidden perhaps in Petra. It doesn't speak of them being born-again, only that they constitute the remnant of Israel.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Israel as a nation will be saved, but individually to be born-again one must give their lives to Christ and accept what He did for us on the cross both Jew and Gentile alike.

God's plan was for Israel to be the center of all nations. That's His covenant with them.
 
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Daniel’s Seventy Sevens

Daniel chapter 9. After Daniel had confessed the sins of his people, God sent Gabriel to say this to him: "Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy" (v.24). Since Daniel prayed to God for His people and His holy city, God in His answer also mentioned "thy people and thy holy city." Let us understand that "thy people" points to the children of Israel, and "thy holy city" refers to Jerusalem. What God means is this: When the seventy sevens are passed, the transgression of Israel and the holy city will be finished, their sins will come to an end, their iniquity will receive reconciliation, and the everlasting righteousness will be brought to them. Have all these been fulfilled? No, the children of Israel continue today to be "Lo-ammi . . . not my people" (Hosea 1.9). Hence her restoration is yet in the future. These things still remain unfulfilled because the prophecy concerning the seventy sevens has not been fulfilled. But at the second coming of the Lord Jesus, all the prophecies shall be fulfilled.

"Know therefore and discern," continued Gabriel, "that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the anointed one, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times. And after the threescore and two weeks shall the anointed one be cut off, and shall have nothing: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined" (Dan. 9.25,26). "Troublous times" may also be translated as "brief times." This probably points to the seven sevens, which in terms of time is so much shorter than the sixty-two sevens. The rebuilding of Jerusalem happened within the seven sevens spoken of, which, as calculated by some commentators, come to forty-nine years. Although in the original it merely says "seven"—with no designation of days or years—most commentators believe it refers to the "year" measurement of time, and hence forty-nine years. Sixty-two sevens after the city is rebuilt there shall come the Anointed One.

Here we will not investigate as to when the seventy-sevens actually commenced. One fact is enough for us, however, which is, that we know the Anointed One did come after the sixty-nine sevens (seven sevens plus sixty-two sevens). From the time of the decree concerning the rebuilding of Jerusalem to the moment of the coming of the Anointed One, there were to be four hundred eighty-three years. Now that the sixty-nine sevens have already passed and the Anointed One (Christ) has also come, what is left is the last seven. As soon as the last seven is fulfilled the children of Israel will receive the fullness of blessing of Daniel 9.24. However, within the seven years of the death of Christ, was there any day which could have been deemed as a time when transgression was finished for the children of Israel and upon Jerusalem? No, not even a single day. And have there not been over nineteen hundred more years since the time of Christ and still no end of transgression? Hence, it is quite evident that the seventieth seven did not follow immediately after the sixty-nine sevens.

Why is it that this one seven has not been fulfilled and that the children of Israel have not yet received the full blessing? Because "after the threescore and two weeks [the sixty-two sevens mentioned above] shall the anointed one be cut off, and shall have nothing." Christ has died, and consequently the children of Israel did not receive the blessing. It was because they would not receive Him with willing hearts but crucified Him instead, and therefore punishment came upon them. "The people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" (v.26). When the Jews insisted on killing the Lord Jesus, they openly declared: "His blood be on us, and on our children" (Matt. 27.25). Naturally God is treating them according to their own word by temporarily rejecting them and showing grace towards the Gentiles. But after the number of the Gentiles has been fulfilled, He will give grace once again to the children of Israel. And at that time, this last seven shall be fulfilled. As soon as the last seven is over, God will deliver the children of Israel according to promise (Dan. 9.24).

"The people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary." All students of Revelation know that this refers to the Romans. After the death of Christ the Jews incurred God’s severe judgment: the Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem and its temple sanctuary in 70 A.D. Since the term "the people" refers to the Romans, many accordingly think that the term "the prince" obviously points to the Roman prince Titus who led the Romans. But there are many reasons to refute this conclusion. Why is it that the Scripture here does not say the prince shall destroy the city but rather says the people of the prince? Although the prince must work through his people, it is still unnatural to say the people and not directly say the prince. Since the Holy Spirit mentions both the prince and the people, while nevertheless putting a primary emphasis on the people, can it be that He is implying by this that these people represent the people of that prince who is yet to come? If so, then the prince in question here is not Titus, and the people who attacked Jerusalem in the former day were in spirit and in attitude morally the people of the future prince. This prince whom Daniel prophecies about will be a world renown figure in the future, who is the Antichrist. "The prince that shall come" is therefore the Antichrist.

"The end thereof shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined" (v.26). "The end" here is not the end of the city nor of the sanctuary. According to correct grammatical construction, "the end thereof" should be connected to the phrase "the prince that shall come." The fulfillment did not come at the time of Titus but is yet to come in the future. The people of the prince who shall come shall destroy this city and the sanctuary, but "the end thereof" (that is to say, the end of the prince)* shall come as a flood. We know that this superman is soon to come, and the world will have no peace. But thank God, we shall be gone before the Antichrist arrives if we keep the word of His patience (Rev. 3.10).

* The Revised Standard Version (1952) recognizes this construction of the verse, as follows: ". . . and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. His end shall come with a flood . . ." (9.26 mg.).

"And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" (v.27a Darby). The preceding verse tells us of the destructive actions of Antichrist; this next verse continues to speak of his action. The last seven is divided into two halves. At the beginning of the last seven, the Antichrist will confirm a covenant with many. This covenant is not the Old Covenant which God singularly covenanted with His people, for the use of the indefinite article "a" here proves it. The phrase "the many" with the use of the definite article "the" refers to a special group of people — even the Jews. So that this covenant will be a political pact between the Jews and the Antichrist. The duration of the pact is to be seven years, but in the middle of this term of years Antichrist will break it. This is the meaning of the words, "he shall think to change the times and the law," found in chapter 7 and verse 25. Here we may see the similarity disclosed between this prince and the little horn mentioned in chapter 7.

In the midst of these seven years in question, Antichrist shall break the covenant, and thus the rest of this period of the seven (that is to say, three years and a half) shall be in his hand. During these three and a half years he shall also wear out the saints (7.25). And during the same three and a half years, this little horn will attempt to change time and season, and cause sacrifice and oblation to cease. Satan through his Antichrist will try to end the sacrifices as Jesus did to try to copy Jesus. At the present moment the Jews have neither sacrifice nor oblation; but in the future these will be restored. Israel is a nation again. It won't be long now before the 3rd Temple is built and they start sacrifices again.

Why will the Antichrist cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease? Because at that time he will speak blasphemously against God (see ch. 7). Since sacrifice and oblation are offered to God, he will naturally forbid them. "And upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end" (v.27b). "The wing of abominations" speaks of idols. In the temple of God the wings of the cherubim covered the ark. Yet Antichrist shall enter God’s temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thess. 2), thus having the wings of abominations. Due to this idolatry, God will permit desolations to extend for three and a half years until the end of the seventy sevens. "And that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate" (v.27c). The desolate is Jerusalem. As the end of the seventy sevens approaches, the nations shall gather to attack Jerusalem. Then shall the Lord fight for her (Zech. 14.1-6). And so shall the word of Daniel 9.24 be fulfilled.

We may here perceive just how Satan uses man. Antichrist is only a man; but by his obeying Satan he is given devilish power to rule over nations. Though his actual coming is still in the future, nonetheless even in 70 A.D. the Romans had already become Antichrist’s people! For they had his spirit. Today we see the many turmoils among the nations. Satan is actually manipulating at the back. He gives power to this person and to that, using many in the political arena as his puppets to disturb the world. The last person he is to use will be the Antichrist. We can even now discern that the spirit of Antichrist is already working everywhere. The most revealing character of the Antichrist is his lawlessness (2 Thess. 2). If we open our eyes to the affairs of this age, we shall know how rampant lawlessness has become. At every level of society there are lawless people. In every profession, the lawless form the majority. It seems as though there is but a thin line between people and the outbreak of lawlessness. Once one yields to lawlessness, that one is forever caught.

For this reason, we who believe in the Lord and are bought with His blood ought at this hour to resist together with one mind Satan and his works both in our spirits as well as in our prayers. Pray that God will enable His Church to know the victory of the cross in order that the saints may have the experience of ascension. The sins of the world need to be judged. The Church of Christ needs to be matured for rapture!
 
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What then is the danger of claiming the 3 1/2 years of the first half of the Tribulation already occurred? The danger, of course, is you will miss the signs of when the Tribulation begin and be caught up in it. You have echoed the same sentiment already in which you think you will be raptured before the Tribulation because you think appointed not unto wrath means avoiding the day the Tribulation starts. Not so.

So picture yourself hypothetically in the Tribulation and a couple million overcomers are raptured alive. It is all over the news, but you deny it as hoax or fake rapture. If per chance you were a Christian such an attitude would mean you lose the reward of being raptured beforehand and returning to reign during the 1000 years. At worse you are accusing the brethren day and night with Satan (Rev. 12.10) because you would not be saved.
 
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All sixty-nine sevens are seven years each. Why wouldn't the seventieth seven?


I don't recall Jesus making a covenant with anyone for 7 years or 3 1/2 years. Israel is still in. And "the fulness of the Gentiles" has not occurred yet.

Dan. 9.27 is not the cross, since verse 26 is 70 AD, and Jesus died on the cross as per verse 25. You have things ass backwards. Dan. 9.27 refers to the prince of the Romans who is the Antichrist who breaks a covenant with many in the middle usher in his reign of terror.


I don't believe the New Covenant is 7 years, nor is 3 1/2 years.


You're quite the doubletalker. You said "The New Covenant is NOT seven years" then you said "The New Covenant is confirmed with many by Jesus for seven years." You're confused.


Israel is still in sin. Dan. 9.24 is not fulfilled yet.


It doesn't say new covenant, but we know Jesus who was cut off (Dan. 9.25) does o for the sins of the world and this is the new covenant. Dan. 9.27 is a covenant for one seven. The atonement is not for 7 years.


I never said Jesus made a covenant for one week. That's what you keep saying. Let me quote you again what you said: "The New Covenant is confirmed with many by Jesus for seven years."

Jesus never spent seven years confirming any covenant. He ministered for 3 years, perhaps a little less than 3, and then He was cut off after the 69th seven. You're confused.


The covenant with Israel is that the nation will be saved when Jesus returns. Individually, Jew or Gentile, to be saved one must receive what Jesus did on the cross which is the New Covenant. The Old Covenant was under the law to show nobody could keep the law, so God instituted sacrifices to atone for sin. Jesus is the once-for-all sacrifice, the fulfilment of the Old Covenant in the New Covenant.

Look, I'm going to make this as simple as I can for you.

There is no 7-year treaty, no 7-year covenant. That is fiction.

Jesus confirms the New Covenant with many of Israel for seven years.

Rephrase: Jesus takes seven years (the 70th week) to confirm the New Covenant with Israel.

3 1/2 of that seven years is complete with the ministry of Jesus.
3 1/2 of that seven years remains outstanding and is found in Revelation with the sealing of the 144,000 of Israel.


You appear to be obsessed with the unscriptural idea that there is some 7-year treaty by the antichrist. That is fiction. No scripture says that.
 
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