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Nothing like going to Ed Decker for accurate information on the LDS Church.
Thelma Geer was relating her personal experience.
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Doesn't change a thing. If Ed Decker presented it I can be fairly confident that it is rubbish.
Logical fallacy, poisoning the well. Anyone or anything which shows LDS in an unfavorable light is biased, misrepresentation, rubbish, etc.
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John D. Lee wrote that Bishop Warren Snow, Manti, Utah, had a young man castrated because he wouldn't give up his fiancée to be one of Snow's polygamous wives.
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His name was Thomas Lewis. Pages 284-286 of John D. Lee's Confession in MORMONISM UNVEILED, or THE
LIFE AND CONFESSIONS of the Late Mormon Bishop JOHN D. LEE
Wilford Woodruff's Diary for 2 June 1857 and later, vols. 5:54-55, 571,
and 6:319
The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power, Vol. 2, pp. 250-51.
Pages 301-302, The Rocky Mountain Saints by T. B. Stenhouse, 1873
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...This is a very important letter because it throws additional light upon President Brigham Young's knowledge regarding emasculation in early Utah. According to Wilford Woodruff's journal, not long after Warren S. Snow's cowardly attack on Thomas Lewis, President Young discussed the matter of castration being used to save people:
"I then went into the president office & spent the evening. Bishop Blackburn was present. The subject Came up of some persons leaving Provo who had Apostatized. Some thought that Bishop Blackburn & President Snow was to blame. Brother Joseph Young presented the thing to presidet Young. But When the Circumstances were told Presidet Brigham Young sustained the Brethren who presided at Provo....
"The subjects of Eunuchs came up... Brigham Said the day would Come when thousands would be made Eunochs in order for them to be saved in the kingdom of God." (Wilford Woodruff's Diary, June 2, 1857, Vol. 5, pages 54-55)
In 1861, Apostle Orson Hyde met with Wilford Woodruff and indicated that he believed Warren Snow was guilty of stealing. Wilford Woodruff wrote the following in his journal:
"He spoke of his mission in sanpete and the unwise Course of Bishop Warren Snow, & George Pecock his first councillor. They have squandered a large amount of tithing funds, County taxes &c & Brother Hyde thinks from Testimony guilty of stealing many Cattle." (Ibid., Vol. 5, page 554)
It is astounding to think that the prophet of the Mormon Church would allow such a man as Warren Snow to function as a bishop in the church. Unfortunately, however, President Young went so far as to give him a special blessing. Wilford Woodruff recorded the following in his journal under the date of April 1, 1861: "Warren Stone Snow was Blessed By Presidet Young who gave him a very good Blessing." (Ibid., page 571) Moreover, in 1867, he was given the opportunity to preach in the Mormon Tabernacle (see Vol. 6, page 319). In a public discourse President Young acknowledged that the church had use for some very mean devils who resided in early Utah:
"And if the Gentiles wish to see a few tricks, we have 'Mormons' that can perform them. We have the meanest devils on the earth in our midst, and we intend to keep them, for we have use for them; and if the Devil does not look sharp, we will cheat him out of them at the last, for they will reform and go to heaven with us." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, page 176)
Blood Atonement in the Mormon Church | Recovery from Mormonism
LDS history makes me sick.
"I then went into the president office & spent the evening. Bishop Blackburn was present. The subject Came up of some persons leaving Provo who had Apostatized. Some thought that Bishop Blackburn & President Snow was to blame. Brother Joseph Young presented the thing to presidet Young. But When the Circumstances were told Presidet Brigham Young sustained the Brethren who presided at Provo....
"The subjects of Eunuchs came up... Brigham Said the day would Come when thousands would be made Eunochs in order for them to be saved in the kingdom of God." (Wilford Woodruff's Diary, June 2, 1857, Vol. 5, pages 54-55)
In 1861, Apostle Orson Hyde met with Wilford Woodruff and indicated that he believed Warren Snow was guilty of stealing. Wilford Woodruff wrote the following in his journal:
"He spoke of his mission in sanpete and the unwise Course of Bishop Warren Snow, & George Pecock his first councillor. They have squandered a large amount of tithing funds, County taxes &c & Brother Hyde thinks from Testimony guilty of stealing many Cattle." (Ibid., Vol. 5, page 554)
It is astounding to think that the prophet of the Mormon Church would allow such a man as Warren Snow to function as a bishop in the church. Unfortunately, however, President Young went so far as to give him a special blessing. Wilford Woodruff recorded the following in his journal under the date of April 1, 1861: "Warren Stone Snow was Blessed By Presidet Young who gave him a very good Blessing." (Ibid., page 571) Moreover, in 1867, he was given the opportunity to preach in the Mormon Tabernacle (see Vol. 6, page 319). In a public discourse President Young acknowledged that the church had use for some very mean devils who resided in early Utah:
"And if the Gentiles wish to see a few tricks, we have 'Mormons' that can perform them. We have the meanest devils on the earth in our midst, and we intend to keep them, for we have use for them; and if the Devil does not look sharp, we will cheat him out of them at the last, for they will reform and go to heaven with us." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, page 176)
Blood Atonement in the Mormon Church | Recovery from Mormonism
LDS history makes me sick.
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Proxy marriages are done for those who were married during their life.
What part of this are you not understanding?
Got it. So those who were never able to be married during their earthly life will have absolutely no possibility of being exalted to the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom. I apologize for my confusion on this matter.
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Well, that seems to have sealed that young man's hope of ever being exalted to godhood, didn't it?
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So Jesus can not go to the highest celestial kingdom and be with God as he never married.
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Some of them will have an opportunity after death. The ones who don't are the ones who chose to not be married in the temple in this life; they are the ones who had the opportunity and rejected it.
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