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Celestial Marriage is a Commandment

Ran77

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so Jesus cannot be in heaven with God as Jesus never got married and did not have a mormon temple ceremony.


What are you talking about? :confused:

I made no comment about Jesus being in heaven with, or without, God. I directly addressed the fantasy argument of a marriage between Queen Elizabeth and Ceasar. You seem to be far afield from what I discussed.


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This is a good example of what was mentioned in one of the other threads. LDS have on multiple occasions explained this process, but our critics continue to make ridiculous statemenents that are nothing like what we believe. Proxy marriages are done for those who were married during their life. There is no fantasy matchup marriage like what you suggest above. The individuals can accept them, or reject them, as they wish. It is not forced upon them. It is provided as an opportunity if they want it.

What purpose does it serve to continually, and I suspect purposely, misrepresent LDS beliefs in this manner?


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Please explain to us the process in which two unmarried, dead people are determined to be suitable for marriage in a sealing ceremony in a Mormon temple. How is it determined who will be given the opportunity to marry a specific individual and how is it known if they actually accept the opportunity and are eternally married? It is a mystery to me.

What happens with dead children? Are they also sealed in a Temple so they can attain to the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom?
 
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Please explain to us the process in which two unmarried, dead people are determined to be suitable for marriage in a sealing ceremony in a Mormon temple. How is it determined who will be given the opportunity to marry a specific individual and how is it known if they actually accept the opportunity and are eternally married? It is a mystery to me.

What happens with dead children? Are they also sealed in a Temple so they can attain to the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom?


Did you read my post? I answered that already. I thought it was pretty clear. However, feel free to point out what part of it was hard to understand or otherwise confusing and I'll do my best to clarify it.


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What are you talking about? :confused:

I made no comment about Jesus being in heaven with, or without, God. I directly addressed the fantasy argument of a marriage between Queen Elizabeth and Ceasar. You seem to be far afield from what I discussed.


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the question wasn't meant for you actually.

but i would like to know why Jesus cannot be with God in heaven?
 
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If I had my father sealed to one of his parents, which one would I choose? His parents divorced and probably wouldn't want to be sealed to each other.

And, in my case, I don't want to be sealed to a stepparent.
 
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Did you read my post? I answered that already. I thought it was pretty clear. However, feel free to point out what part of it was hard to understand or otherwise confusing and I'll do my best to clarify it.


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I actually did read your post (#38). Here is what you wrote -

"This is a good example of what was mentioned in one of the other threads. LDS have on multiple occasions explained this process, but our critics continue to make ridiculous statemenents that are nothing like what we believe. Proxy marriages are done for those who were married during their life. There is no fantasy matchup marriage like what you suggest above. The individuals can accept them, or reject them, as they wish. It is not forced upon them. It is provided as an opportunity if they want it.

What purpose does it serve to continually, and I suspect purposely, misrepresent LDS beliefs in this manner?


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Please show me precisely where and how you explained the methodology used by the LDS in determining who will marry whom in the afterlife.

Thank you.
 
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If I had my father sealed to one of his parents, which one would I choose? His parents divorced and probably wouldn't want to be sealed to each other.

And, in my case, I don't want to be sealed to a stepparent.


Children are sealed to their parents. Both parents - not one of them.


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Children are sealed to their parents. Both parents - not one of them.


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What good is that if the parents aren't sealed to each other? What about the children from the second marriages? Who are they sealed to?
 
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I actually did read your post (#38). Here is what you wrote -


Proxy marriages are done for those who were married during their life.

There is no fantasy matchup marriage like what you suggest above.

The individuals can accept them, or reject them, as they wish. It is not forced upon them. It is provided as an opportunity if they want it.


Please show me precisely where and how you explained the methodology used by the LDS in determining who will marry whom in the afterlife.

Thank you.


There you go. I eliminated the portion of my post that didn't directly respond to this specific question and seperated them by points.


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What good is that if the parents aren't sealed to each other?


It provides the sealing to both parents. No revelation, that I'm aware of, tells us exactly how this will be resolved in heaven. However, since they are already sealed to both parents should it be a case of having to make a choice of which one they choose to be grouped with the work will have already been done.



What about the children from the second marriages? Who are they sealed to?


They are still sealed to their parents. As I stated above, I'm not aware of any revelation about how it all gets sorted out in the end. But as I trust that God is wise and kind I'm sure that it will work out just fine.


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It provides the sealing to both parents. No revelation, that I'm aware of, tells us exactly how this will be resolved in heaven. However, since they are already sealed to both parents should it be a case of having to make a choice of which one they choose to be grouped with the work will have already been done.


They are still sealed to their parents. As I stated above, I'm not aware of any revelation about how it all gets sorted out in the end. But as I trust that God is wise and kind I'm sure that it will work out just fine.

IOW, the doctrine of eternal families is a farce. If half siblings are sealed to their parents, and the other half siblings sealed to the mother and her first husband, the siblings aren't one family. And the mother can't have both husbands.
 
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IOW, the doctrine of eternal families is a farce. If half siblings are sealed to their parents, and the other half siblings sealed to the mother and her first husband, the siblings aren't one family. And the mother can't have both husbands.


There is nothing farcical about it. You are creating hobgoblins because you oppose the LDS Church. As much as you want to twist this and every other doctrine of the Church, we remain focused on the importance of the Eternal Family. I am quite happy to be sealed to my wife and children. I take great comfort in knowing that we will function as a family throughout eternity.

Mortals make stupid mistakes. These mistakes will not thwart, nor prove farcical, the will of God. He will make things right where we have made a mess of our lives. I'm sorry you don't understand that He has that ability.


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Thelma Geer related:

"Through the church and the women in the family, I was taught the essentials of submitting to the 'truth' while being told, 'We'll learn the answers in heaven to the unanswered questions here on earth.' I was in a perpetual state of confusion about the Celestial Kingdom and who would be spending eternity with whom."
Ed Decker, My Kingdom Come, The Mormon Quest for Godhood, p.260
My Kingdom Come: The Mormon Quest for Godhood - Ed Decker - Google Books
 
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There you go. I eliminated the portion of my post that didn't directly respond to this specific question and seperated them by points.


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Even so, you did not provide the slightest explanation as to how individuals are selected for marriage. Is it sort of a generic process in which a proxy bride and groom are sealed in the temple for anyone in the afterlife who has decided they have found their true love, after all? Or is it like baptism for dead people in which the actual names are intoned as the wedding is sealed. Who determines which dead person should be sealed to another particular dead person in the afterlife?
 
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