Celestial Marriage is a Commandment

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[Rescued One]

Since when is anyone on this forum obligated to indulge the obsessions of anyone with an answer?

No answer would ever be sufficient to quell the vitriol of many here.

If you want better answers, simply ASK MORE INTELLIGENT QUESTIONS!!

Have a lovely evening.

 

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[joneysd]

Both Jesus and the Hoiy Ghost are unique in Mormon theology. Neither one met the requirements for exaltation to godhood which apply to every other spirit child of God, but both were, and are, gods.

Why the exception? I have yet to get any answer from an LDS poster.

when their theology meets an obvious brick wall, such as the idea God was a man who became God, which is a ridiculous impossibility, they seem to become very vague about their answers as they know they have no answer but hope the vague mist they create will hide their mistakes.

 

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when their theology meets an obvious brick wall, such as the idea God was a man who became God, which is a ridiculous impossibility, they seem to become very vague about their answers as they know they have no answer but hope the vague mist they create will hide their mistakes.

To put it more succinctly, when I encounter such enigmas, typically I am told that there has been no revelation on the issue so it is a matter of conjecture at this point.

 

[Ran77]

For the benefit of the many new posters here on this forum it certainly would not be amiss to restate some of these things. For example, on another thread MormonFriend provided a very nice, succinct statement of his understanding of the core of the Mormon faith, which I greatly appreciated and I hope is also a benefit to others.

In this case I will ask a simple, direct question - Are Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit the only two exceptions to the Law which requires a spirit to pass through mortality in order to become a god?

I believe that the problem is you are making assumptions with your questions. A little while back I started a thread about what God is. The idea was to have people take some time to think about what it is about God that makes Him God. You mention passing through mortality to become a god, but the Bible has several verses that state we are like the gods, or are gods in some fashion. That makes your question faulty.

 

[NYCGuy]

For the benefit of the many new posters here on this forum it certainly would not be amiss to restate some of these things. For example, on another thread MormonFriend provided a very nice, succinct statement of his understanding of the core of the Mormon faith, which I greatly appreciated and I hope is also a benefit to others.

In this case I will ask a simple, direct question - Are Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit the only two exceptions to the Law which requires a spirit to pass through mortality in order to become a god?

I've heard before that the Holy Ghost would also have an opportunity to gain a body and progress, as Jesus Christ/Jehovah did, since He's also a spirit son of the Father and Heavenly Mother.

 

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I've heard before that the Holy Ghost would also have an opportunity to gain a body and progress, as Jesus Christ/Jehovah did, since He's also a spirit son of the Father and Heavenly Mother.

Yes, that is what I have also been told. This presents its own set of theological difficulties. At present the Holy Ghost is the only god that can indwell individuals in Mormon theology. The Father and the Son cannot because of the limitations of their physical bodies. If the Holy Ghost were to also have a body then there would have to be a dramatic reworking of the theology to explain how the Holy Ghost can now indwell people (or not) despite the fact that he also has a physical body. That would also create a major contradiction with the Bible, especially the upper room discourse in John where Jesus promises His followers another comforter who will dwell in them.

This problem has previously been overcome in Islam, however. Mohammed is claimed by Muslims to be the other comforter promised by Jesus Christ. They say that his abiding influence is what indwells them.

 

[joneysd]

Yes, that is what I have also been told. This presents its own set of theological difficulties. At present the Holy Ghost is the only god that can indwell individuals in Mormon theology. The Father and the Son cannot because of the limitations of their physical bodies. If the Holy Ghost were to also have a body then there would have to be a dramatic reworking of the theology to explain how the Holy Ghost can now indwell people (or not) despite the fact that he also has a physical body. That would also create a major contradiction with the Bible, especially the upper room discourse in John where Jesus promises His followers another comforter who will dwell in them.

This problem has previously been overcome in Islam, however. Mohammed is claimed by Muslims to be the other comforter promised by Jesus Christ. They say that his abiding influence is what indwells them.

It seems every time the LDS try to clear up a problem it just creates other and sometimes bigger problems, it speaks volumes when the "restoration" work requires far more correction than the original.

 

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It seems every time the LDS try to clear up a problem it just creates other and sometimes bigger problems, it speaks volumes when the "restoration" work requires far more correction than the original.

This is especially true because in the nineteenth century there were valid reasons to think that essential elements of the Bible had been discarded over the centuries so that the Bible at that time needed to be restored. However, history has a funny way of playing its tricks. Instead of discovering the "lost" portions of the Bible, multiple ancient manuscripts, including the Dead Sea scrolls, were discovered, affirming the actual historicity of the canon of scripture as we have it today. There is no valid reason today to question the completeness and authenticity of the Bible.

 

[joneysd]

This is especially true because in the nineteenth century there were valid reasons to think that essential elements of the Bible had been discarded over the centuries so that the Bible at that time needed to be restored. However, history has a funny way of playing its tricks. Instead of discovering the "lost" portions of the Bible, multiple ancient manuscripts, including the Dead Sea scrolls, were discovered, affirming the actual historicity of the canon of scripture as we have it today. There is no valid reason today to question the completeness and authenticity of the Bible.

the only reason to question the bible is if you need to add to it to make your own beliefs work and look biblical.