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Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Phoebe Ann, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Every one of those is a false prophet follower who trusts in false gods.

    Joseph Smith's own words:
    Here, then, is eternal life—to know the only wise and true God; and
    you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God,
    the same as all gods have done before you,
    namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power.

    The King Follett Sermon
     
  2. Peter1000

    Peter1000 Well-Known Member

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    Then what is this "divine nature" that we will be partakers of? (2 Peter 1:4)
     
  3. Peter1000

    Peter1000 Well-Known Member

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    This is the path that we take to sit with Jesus in his throne. (Revelation 3:21)
     
  4. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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  5. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Blasphemy.
     
  6. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    And you know this because?. What is divine nature?:
    (New Testament | 2 Peter 1:4)

    4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
     
  7. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    Well Paul is looking forward to the high calling of God:

    (New Testament | Philippians 3:13 - 15)

    13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
    14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
    15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

    Are you saying that he is wrong to be seeking this prize?
     
  8. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    What do you call the third heaven? It does have a name I presume. Anyway Jesus was pretty clear that those who don't do the works deny God:

    (New Testament | Titus 1:16)

    16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

    He also said:

    (New Testament | James 4:17)

    17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

    It is true that we are saved by grace and without grace we would not be saved nor will we be saved without works:

    (New Testament | Matthew 7:21)

    21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
     
  9. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    Are you disagreeing with the Bible?

    (New Testament | Revelation 3:21)

    21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    You call this blasphemy? Why is that? Where is the Father's throne? I would say it is in the celestial kingdom.
     
  10. Peter1000

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    Apparently you have not read the description of Jesus in Revelations after his resurrection.
    (Revelation 1:14-15)

    Jesus is a pretty hot person in all his glory, and you better be a pretty hot person also in order to be in his presence. Think about it. It is not blasphemy , just because you have never heard or thought of something.
     
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    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    I have read Rev 1:14-15 before. However Rev 3:21 is not blasphemy. It is indeed Biblical scripture.
     
  12. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    I have heard and thought of Mormonism for decades. I made a terrible mistake becoming a member, but God was merciful and brought me to HIM.

    Proverbs 3
    5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
    6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
     
  13. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Blasphemy is the Mormon preaching that there are multiple Gods!
     
  14. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Acts 7
    46[David ]Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob. 47 But Solomon built him an house. 48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
    49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
    50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
     
  15. mmksparbud

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    I can't even state how horrible that statement is. Talk about grieving away the Holy Spirit---no wonder the truth can not get to you! As long as this is how you really feel---you have no concept of who God is and never will. Again, if you do not know God, He will not know you. You go right ahead and be grateful to Satan for the evil that is in this world---I personally will be looking forward to his demise. JS will be right next to him for bringing his form of devil worshop into this world. How very. very sad.
    Adam and Eve were given this world as their dominion. They gave away that dominion to Sastan at the fsall. That is why Satan could go before the gsathering of the heavenly host as representative of this world. At the cross--that dominion was taken from him through the sinless Christ.
    satan is a defeated foe because the Son of God became human and never sinned. We await the judgement---0it will not go well for your god, he lost the war 2000 years ago---by the 2nd Adam, who knew no evil.:doh::swoon::sad::unbelievable:
     
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    The sinless character of God, that we acquire here on earth. We become the God we serve.
     
  17. mmksparbud

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    Php 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
    Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
    Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
    Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
    Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
    Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
     
  18. He is the way

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    I am just going by what the Bible says although the Bible is pretty ambiguous. There is a lot of truth in the saying - convince a person against their will and they will be of the same opinion still. You can call out blasphemy, but it won't make it so. Jesus Christ was killed for blasphemy, but it wasn't so.
     
  19. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for continuing on where I left off.
     
  20. dzheremi

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    Because it is the basis of the Christian faith, found in both the scriptures (e.g., John 1:1-13, Matthew 16:16, etc.) and all the other foundational Christian writings (e.g., the Creed, the ancient shared by the most ancient churches of Christianity like the Trisagion/Agios, "O Monogenes Yios", the "Is Pateer"), etc.

    As you have shown here by your excerpt, it is that by which we escape the corruption of the world. Christ, having known no corruption by sin, since He knew no sin (2 Corinthians 5:21), as He was by the divine nature sinless, has offered us the same promise by His incarnation, that we may be partakers in the same divinity by which He naturally experiences no corruption.

    Thus we do not become God ourselves (as in Mormonism; God forbid!), but become like God in becoming sinless and hence knowing no corruption (immortality), by our union with Him. It is, as I've heard one Eastern Orthodox priest put it, "union without fusion", which seems good enough to me despite not being Eastern Orthodox personally.

    But that is again the crucial difference between Mormonism and Christianity: we may become like Him (not become Him!) in this very certain way by our union with Him, whereas He never had to become [like] Himself (?) by any process; He always was and always is and always will be, because that's of His nature as God (He is eternal and unchanging).

    So Mormonism is 100% wrong and at odds with Christianity when it teaches, as in the King Follett sermon or elsewhere, that God needed to learn and progress to become God from his previous status as man, and hence you and I can do the same. No. That's blasphemy of the highest order.
     
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