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Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Phoebe Ann, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. mmksparbud

    mmksparbud Well-Known Member

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    Everything in the bible points to Jesus was God always, and He is the creator of this earth. He became a man to save us. He was God before the incarnation. One day, you will see that JS was a liar and you will see the beaty of what Jesus actuaslly did for you. He left His purely divine self to become a lowly human for you. He retains His hukmanity and His divinity now and forever. He is more than an exalted man now for He still retains His divinity, something we will never have. You serve a puny Godhead. Ours is a Godhead that always were and the Son lowered Himself to humanity's level to save us. Yours woirked themselves into their position---which isn't possible. No man can ever make themselves God.
     
  2. mmksparbud

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    All you have to do is point to where it says that they never would have had children unless they fell. There is no such stipulation. God made everything to reproduce. You are saying He made dam and Eve to not reproduce. How in the world can you be made to not reproduce, but then told to do so??? How can you be made to not reproduce but then because you went against God, you are all of a sudden given the ability to reproduce? What does sin have to do with reproduction? o they didn't realize they were naked---so what? They were not ashamed---why would they be? Shame comes from doing wrong. Reproduction was not an act of sin nor of shame. To say they NEVER would have reproduced is beyond speculation---it is adding to what the word of God says. He said to do so---and that is what they would have done. And yes---Adam and Eve will one day tell us themselves all about it. The command to reproduce is not one that anyone can go against. Not when you are the only male and female and see all the animals reproducing----you will reproduce---no way around it. It is why they were made male and female. It was not a command to not do it---but then they did it as with the fruit!
     
  3. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Talk about smoke and mirrors!

    In Mormonism only righteous(righteousness earned by works) followers of Mormonism's laws and ordinances, can have eternal life.

    May God have mercy. People try to pull the wool over uninformed peoples' eyes whether by going door to door or online or inviting neighbors to meet the missionaries.

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    Praise His Name! He brings people out of the trap and prevents others from stepping in it.

    Proverbs 16:25
    There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
     
  4. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Jesus was ALWAYS God and still is. His followers will never be gods or Gods.
     
  5. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    You are correct that no man can make themselves God. However Jesus Christ can make them Gods. Yes Jesus has that much power:

    (New Testament | Philippians 3:13 - 15)

    13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
    14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
    15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

    (New Testament | 2 Peter 1:4)

    4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

    With the hope of living with God our Father in His kingdom and being partakers of the divine nature.
     
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  6. He is the way

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    We are not saved by works, neither are we saved without them:
    (New Testament | John 14:12)

    12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

    (New Testament | James 1:22 - 25)

    22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
    23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
    24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
    25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

    (New Testament | Matthew 7:21)

    21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
     
  7. Peter1000

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    What are you talking about, "it was day 5"? Yes it was day 5 in Genesis 1, then day 6, then day 7 and it was finished, and God rested from his labors.

    Then in Genesis 2:5 it says this strange thing: After God created the plants and animals and man in Genesis 1, Genesis 2:5 says there were no plants or man on the earth?

    Where were they? Answer that question?

    Have you ever read the volumes of writings that JS compiled. And out of all those writings there is not 1 truth that you can find? I think you have not read too much. OR you are not telling the truth..

    There are many scriptures that talk about the spirits in men. Your SDA beliefs do not allow for such creation and I can understand that, but you must ignore many scriptures about the spirit in men to continue your thinking.
     
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  8. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    1 Corinthians 15
    9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

    The works we do are a result of the undeserved grace He BESTOWED on us.

    Your priesthood has no power. You do not give God permission nor do you put Him in bondage to your obedience to Mormonism.

    False teachings:

    Doctrine and Covenants 130
    20 There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—
    21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.
    Doctrine and Covenants 130

    Doctrine and Covenants 82
    10 I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise.

    Truth:
    Jonah 1
    1 Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying, 2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me. 3 But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD, and went down to Joppa; and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare thereof, and went down into it, to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.
    4 But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea, so that the ship was like to be broken. 5 Then the mariners were afraid, and cried every man unto his god, and cast forth the wares that were in the ship into the sea, to lighten it of them. But Jonah was gone down into the sides of the ship; and he lay, and was fast asleep. 6 So the shipmaster came to him, and said unto him, What meanest thou, O sleeper? arise, call upon thy God, if so be that God will think upon us, that we perish not.
    7 And they said every one to his fellow, Come, and let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this evil is upon us. So they cast lots, and the lot fell upon Jonah. 8 Then said they unto him, Tell us, we pray thee, for whose cause this evil is upon us; What is thine occupation? and whence comest thou? what is thy country? and of what people art thou? 9 And he said unto them, I am an Hebrew; and I fear the LORD, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry land.
    10 Then were the men exceedingly afraid, and said unto him, Why hast thou done this? For the men knew that he fled from the presence of the LORD, because he had told them.
    11 Then said they unto him, What shall we do unto thee, that the sea may be calm unto us? for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous. 12 And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest is upon you. 13 Nevertheless the men rowed hard to bring it to the land; but they could not: for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous against them. 14 Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee.
    15 So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging.16 Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows.
    17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

    Jeremiah 10:23
    O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

    Proverbs 16:9
    A man's heart plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps.

    Proverbs 20:24
    Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

    Daniel 5:23
    But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them; and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know: and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified:

    Romans 9:16
    So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

    We are saved UNTO good works. The new birth (regeneration) comes FIRST!
     
  9. Phoebe Ann

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    Our new nature does NOT make us deity!
     
  10. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    You are correct, Repentance and baptism come first. It is important to be forgiven of our sins, then we are to do the works and not return to our sins:

    (New Testament | Romans 6:1 - 18)

    1 WHAT shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
    4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
    5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
    6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
    7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
    8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
    9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
    10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
    11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
    13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
    14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
    16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
    17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
    18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

    (New Testament | Titus 1:16)

    16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
    (New Testament | Titus 2:11 - 13)

    11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
    12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
    13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    Thanks for quoting the scriptures from the D&C. However they are true. I did not notice anything contrary to what they stated. We are saved through the blood of Jesus Christ. He atoned for our sins and made our salvation possible. Thus we are not saved by works but by grace. That being said should we deny God by not doing the works being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate? God forbid that we should deny God.
     
  11. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    What does divine nature mean to you? How powerful is Jesus Christ? Do you not believe that He has the power to perfect men and call them to be Gods? Is Paul wrong? I have the hope of Jesus Christ's perfection and living with God in His kingdom.
    (Old Testament | Psalms 101:5 - 8)

    5 Whoso privily slandereth his neighbour, him will I cut off: him that hath an high look and a proud heart will not I suffer.
    6 Mine eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me: he that walketh in a perfect way, he shall serve me.
    7 He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight.
    8 I will early destroy all the wicked of the land; that I may cut off all wicked doers from the city of the LORD.
    (New Testament | John 17:20 - 23)

    20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
    23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
     
  12. Peter1000

    Peter1000 Well-Known Member

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    Then how do we partake of the precious promises of God to partake of the "divine nature"?
    (2 Peter 1:4)

    So tell me what nature Peter was talking about when he uses the term "divine nature"?

    Is "divine nature" not the "divine nature" of God? What makes Him Diety? And remember God is promising us this nature.

    So are you saying that God's promises are void and this is not going to happen because I do not believe we can be divine?
     
  13. Peter1000

    Peter1000 Well-Known Member

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    Are you talking about the new nature you receive when you are baptized a new member in the church, and you become a new person in the Lord? Is this the new nature you are talking about. If you are, then of course this new nature is not going to make you divine here on earth.

    But it is the beginning of your new "divine nature". The first step is to believe in Jesus, then to repent and be baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38) When you lay your sinful body in the watery grave, you come up out of the water a new person in the Lord. You then receive the constant companionship of the Holy Spirit, and you start your Christian life for Christ.

    This life is manifested by good works, testifying of Jesus Christ, happiness, and a great feeling of good joy, teaching people about Jesus, raising a family in the Lord, etc., etc., etc.

    Then when you die and are resurrected, this is the time that you are allowed into the kingdom of God and your body is changed into a perfect and uncorruptible body, just like the body of Jesus Christ. When you are chosen to sit on his throne with him you will be exalted and will be given the same divine nature as he has. You will be just like him, otherwise you could not be a joint-heir with him in all that the Father has. (Romans 8:17)

    If you are not like Jesus in every way, you will not be able to be a joint-heir with him in all that the Father has. IOW you will be given your divinity and you will be a Diety too, just like Jesus.

    Because you have a good start by believing in Jesus Christ, your future is bright, brighter than you think right now. Keep up the good work.
     
  14. He is the way

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    Hi Peter1000, There is an old saying - A person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still - I think this may be true of some posters. I came here to correct some of the misunderstandings of the Church of Jesus Christ had by others and to better understand their beliefs. It has been a learning experience for me. I do believe that celestial marriage is part of the plan to return to the kingdom of God and be where God the Father is. I know He loves all of His children and that His plan is for us to become like Him. My goal is to love the way Jesus loves.
     
  15. mmksparbud

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    Therefore--God the Father was never a man who became God.
     
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    Because Gen 2 is Gen 1--just not in chronological order and with details. Before day 6 there was no man to till the ground---before day 3 there were no plants.
    It is not my SDA believes--it is my biblical believes. The idea of an immortal soul came from Greek philosophy. Before that, the body and soul were never independent of each other---no body meant no soul. They were all a part of the whole person. It is the Greeks that said the soul is independent from the body and lives forever. I go by Jesus--

    Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
    1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
     
  17. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    I can't see your logic here. Jesus Christ has the power to perfect us and the power to make us Gods because of His perfect life and His atonement. He also has the power to forgive sin and the Father has given Him all judgement. How does this have anything to do with your statement? Seems like your statement is off the wall and has nothing to do with my post. However I believe that God the Father was once a man like Jesus Christ. He now lives in celestial glory with our mother and we are all children.
     
  18. mmksparbud

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    You said it yourself--

    That is what makes God---God. You can't become one. He is just God. God was never a man who became God---He was, and still is and always will be, God, period.
     
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  19. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    NO!


    No, no, no, no, no no, no!

    Those are false teachings!

    LIES:

    “Each command we obey sends us another rung up the ladder to perfected manhood and toward godhood; and every law disobeyed is a sliding toward the bottom where man merges into the brute world.”
    Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 153

    Doctrine and Covenants 130
    20 There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—
    21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.
     
  20. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Nothing makes Him Deity. God was always God and it was always impossible that He not be God.
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    We are released from the power of sin. Our desires are to please God.
    Romans 6:6
    Romans 6:14

    We have power from God to have victory over temptations that come against us.
    1 Corinthians 10:13

    God is not a man who overcame sin!!!!!
     
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