Can you really live by Sola Scriptura?

[boughtwithaprice]

Depends if you do not think the scripture provided answer the questions asked or you choose not to believe them. I believe they do. No one can know the truth of Gods' Word without faith in God's Word and Gods' Spirit to guide them and teach them, and no one receives Gods' Spirit if they do not believe and obey what God's Word says according to Peter in Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Either way you lose here because in God's eye, whatsoever is not of faith is sin and without faith it is impossible to please God *Romans 14:23; Hebrews 11:6. So the answer to all your question BWAP is faith in God's Word says. As posted to someone else earlier, take some time to think it through . If the scriptures teach us that faith comes by the Word of God and without faith it is impossible to please God and whatsoever is not of faith is sin *Hebrews 11:6; Romans 14:23; how can any one of us have salvation if we have no faith and not Word of God (scripture alone) when faith only comes by hearing and reading the Word of God *Romans 10:17? If we have no word we have no faith and we are still in our sins and do not have salvation which according to the scriptures only comes by faith through hearing or reading God's Word (sola scriptura) see also John 3:15-21; John 10:26-27; Matthew 7:22-26? Do you believe it is only by faith in God's Word that we have God's Grace and are saved through faith *Ephesians 2:8-9? According to the scriptures, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17 and without faith it is impossible to please God *Hebrews 11:6 because whatsoever is not of faith is sin *Romans 14:23. Now if we only have God's salvation by faith in God's Word how can we have salvation without it? - We cannot. Therefore if we neglect Gods' Word we neglect our faith and Gods' salvation according to the scriptures because the only way we can receive everlasting life is living by faith in scripture alone or by believing someone who speaks Gods' scriptures to us *Romans 10:17. Gods' Word therefore is the only standard of both faith and righteousness and is the only rule to what faith is and the standard test to know if we are in the faith or not in the faith *2 Corinthians 13:5. According to the scriptures, God's Spirit works through the Word not outside of God's Word as it is the Spirit of the Word of God that leads us into the truth of Gods' Word (see John 6:63; John 17:17; Romans 10:17).

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There was no New Testament in the first four centuries of the Church, and there were many heretical texts or Gospels present
Jerome gave us the first compilation in the Latin Vulgate. Are you saying there was no one that had salvation until after the New Testament was canonized?
In the early Church, the authority was the Church that preached the Apostolic faith that was not yet written down, and they preached to believers that were saved even though there was no Bible, so there has to be a different standard of authority than the one you are presenting

 

[LoveGodsWord]

God’s Word was not all necessarily put down in written form by any means. The Church received and preached the gospel before a word of the New Testament was written and it was those same disciples of Christ who needed to explain the meaning of Scripture to the Bereans and the Ethiopian Eunuch, for example, because those people could not understand it on their own, privately.

According to the scriptures there is the written Word and the spoken Word of God. Romans 10:17 says faith comes by hearing (spoken) and hearing by the Word of God (written scripture). No one can understand God's Word according to the scriptures if God is not their guide and teachers *1 Corinthians 1:19-20 but Gods promise is that you shall seek me and find me when you shall search for me with all of your heart. We find Jesus through His Word and he promises to all those who believe and follow it that he will guide us and teach us what His Word says *John 7:17; John 16:13; John 14:26; 1 John 2:27; Hebrews 8:11. These promises of course are conditional to believing and following what God's Word says which is faith that we receive from hearing or reading Gods' Word *Romans 10:17.

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[LoveGodsWord]

Look, we are obviously having issues with communication. I am not arguing the validity of the view points, I am telling you that there is a different view from yours. I am asking you what is the basis of your position? It cannot be scripture as both views are represented by scripture. If you continue to refuse to answer despite many witnesses, then we have to assume that you are presenting YOUR understanding of scripture as the only position valid, and that is exactly the point that Jordan Peterson was making in the OP. You have presented no other basis for your viewpoint other than yourself, but you won’t admit it; there is just more deflection from the question.I am praying. I am praying for you that your eyes may be opened

Yes the issues in communication is based on what we believe. You believe that Church tradition and the teachings of men supersedes Gods' Word. For me I believe that there is nothing wrong with tradition in and of itself if it is not against what Gods Word says. However, according to Jesus any tradition or teaching that leads us away from Gods' Word to disobey what Gods' Word says is a false teaching as shown in the very words of Peter in Acts of the Apostles 5:29 and Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. So for me I believe that the scriptures teach that only God's Word is true *Romans 3:4 and we should believe *John 3:36 and follow them *Acts of the Apostles 5:29 over the teachings and traditions of men that lead us away from Gods' Word to break the commandments of God according to Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. Perhaps you need to keep your prayers for yourself because according to the scriptures, whatsoever is not of faith is sin *Romans 14:26 and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17. This is why the scriptures are the only rule of faith because God's salvation is by faith in His Word (see John 3:36 and Ephesians 2:8-9). Without faith it is impossible to please God *Hebrews 11:6 and faith comes from believing and obeying Gods' Word *Romans 10:17; John 3:36; Matthew 7:21.

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[LoveGodsWord]

There was no New Testament in the first four centuries of the Church, and there were many heretical texts or Gospels present
Jerome gave us the first compilation in the Latin Vulgate. Are you saying there was no one that had salvation until after the New Testament was canonized? In the early Church, the authority was the Church that preached the Apostolic faith that was not yet written down, and they preached to believers that were saved even though there was no Bible, so there has to be a different standard of authority than the one you are presenting

According to the scriptures in the days of Jesus and the Apostles their bible was the old testament scriptures and it was the old testament scriptures that Jesus and the Apostles quoted from as Gods' Word. It was the old testament scriptures that all pointed and testified to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Saviour of the world. *John 5:39. The New testament scriptures are the words of Jesus in the four gospels and the writings of the Apostles. Together both the old testament scriptures and the new testament make up the Word of God. God's people in both the old testament and the new testament received God's salvation in the same way and that is by faith only the process was different *Hebrews 11:1-40. In the old testament when God's people sinned or broke anyone of Gods' commandments they would have to by faith follow the earthly Sanctuary laws and provide animal sacrifice and sin offerings for blood atonement in front of a Levite Priest and through faith believe that through the blood atonement for their sins they received Gods' forgiveness for their sins. These of course being "shadow laws" pointing forward to the coming of Jesus as Gods' true sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all *see John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22. So beside the process of forgiveness being different the difference between the covenants was that Gods' people in the old testament through faith looked forward to the coming of the Messiah as they through faith seek God's forgiveness for their sins and a new covenant based on better promises, we look back to Jesus and his sacrifice for our sins and the sins of the world once and for all and His new ministration as our great High Priest based on better promises under the new covenant *Hebrews 8:1-6. As shown through the scriptures already the authority of the early Church has only ever been based on faith in the scriptures and the words of Jesus as the promised Messiah which is why Gods' Word is the only authority and only rule of faith.

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[fhansen]

According to the scriptures there is the written Word and the spoken Word of God. Romans 10:17 says faith comes by hearing (spoken) and hearing by the Word of God (written scripture).

The Church heard His Word spoken at the beginning, and recorded some of it in written form. She's always considered both of those streams of revelation, Scripture along with the unwritten teachings/Tradition, to be His Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Church heard His Word spoken at the beginning, and recorded some of it in written form. She's always considered both of those streams of revelation, Scripture along with the unwritten teachings/Tradition, to be His Word.

As posted earlier, I believe that there is nothing wrong with tradition in and of it self if it is based on the scriptures and not in contradiction to scripture or goes against the scriptures. Jesus says however that if the traditions and teachings of men lead us away from God's Word to break the commandments of God we are no longer worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. This is why Gods' Word is the only rule of faith especially considering that our very faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17.

 

[fhansen]

There is nothing wrong with tradition in and of it self if it is based on the scriptures and not in contradiction to scripture or goes against the scriptures. Jesus says however that if the traditions and teachings of men lead us away from God's Word to break the commandments of God we are no longer worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. This is why Gods' Word is the only rule of faith because our faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17. Therefore faith in Gods Word is the only foundation of Gods' true church, not the teachings and traditions of men that lead us away from God's Word to break the commandments of God according to Jesus in *Matthew 15:3-9 and Peter in Acts of the Apostles 5:29

As I said, there are two equally authoritative streams of revelation, Scripture, the written Word, and Tradition, the unwritten Word, which is the lived experience or legacy of the Church. Neither has more reason or right to claim superiority over the other while both should complement each other. As it is, Sola Scriptura adherents, bible scholars included, often don't agree on what Scripture means to say, disagreeing with plausible yet conflicting arguments, rendering it useless as a sure rule of faith.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

As I said, there are two equally authoritative streams of revelation, Scripture, the written Word, and Tradition, the unwritten Word, which is the lived experience or legacy of the Church. Neither has more reason or right to claim superiority over the other while both should complement each other. As it is, Sola Scriptura adherents, bible scholars included, often don't agree on what Scripture means to say, disagreeing with plausible yet conflicting arguments, rendering it useless as a sure rule of faith.

See post # 42 linked. Sorry but we may have to agree to disagree here. As posted earlier, no Word means no faith in Gods' Word. When God's salvation is through faith in Gods' Word and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God how can you have saving faith if you put the teachings and traditions of men above the Word of God *see Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 10:17; John 3:36; Matthew 7:21 and Matthew 15:3-9? - You cannot. Our salvation is dependent on believing and following what Gods' Word says first and foremost and is why Peter says in Acts of the Apostles 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather than man".

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Yes the issues in communication is based on what we believe. You believe that Church tradition and the teachings of men supersedes Gods' Word. For me I believe that any tradition or teaching that leads us away from Gods' Word to disobey what Gods' Word says is a false teaching as shown in the very words of Peter in Acts of the Apostles 5:29 and Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. So for me I believe that the scriptures teach that only God's Word is true *Romans 3:4 and we should believe *John 3:36 and follow them *Acts of the Apostles 5:29 over the teachings and traditions of men that lead us away from Gods' Word to break the commandments of God according to the according to Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. Perhaps you need to keep your prayers for yourself because according to the scriptures, whatsoever is not of faith is sin *Romans 14:26 and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17. This is why the scriptures are the only rule of faith because God's salvation is by faith in His Word (see John 3:36 and Ephesians 2:8-9). Without faith it is impossible to please God *Hebrews 11:6 and faith comes from believing and obeying Gods' Word *Romans 10:17; John 3:36; Matthew 7:21.

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May God the Father forgive you, you don’t know what you are doing.
Just because I do not share your views does not mean I do not have faith. As the scriptures say, who are you to judge another man’s servant?
By refusing to identify your source of authority, you set yourself up above God’s word
Your teaching cannot be found in the Church for almost her first 1500 years. Why should I believe you?

 

[fhansen]

See post # 42 linked. Sorry I do not believe you. As posted earlier, no Word means no faith in Gods' Word. When God's salvation is through faith in Gods' Word and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God how can you have saving faith if you put the teachings and traditions of men above the Word of God *see Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 10:17; John 3:36; Matthew 7:21 and Matthew 15:309?

So you don't think Christ's
disciples knew the gospel and preached His Word decades before the New Testament was written?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So you don't think Christ's
disciples knew the gospel and preached His Word decades before the New Testament was written?

The gospel is all the Word of God. *Hebrews 4:2 and we are to live by faith in every word of it *Matthew 4:4; Romans 10:17 and we are to believe and follow it *John 3:36; Matthew 7:21

 

[fhansen]

The gospel is all the Word of God. *Hebrews 4:2 and we are to live by faith in every word of it *Matthew 4:4; Romans 10:17

Um, exactly, so we must never leave out that part of His revelation, His Word, sometimes known as "Sacred Tradition". Otherwise we'll probably end up with a stunted or faulty gospel.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Um, exactly, so we must never leave out that part of His revelation, His Word, sometimes known as "Sacred Tradition". Otherwise we'll probably end up with a stunted or faulty gospel.

No one is leaving out anything. Believing and following what Gods' Word says covers everything. As posted earlier, there is nothing wrong with tradition in and of it self if it is based on the scriptures and not in contradiction to scripture or goes against the scriptures or leads us away from scripture to the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Jesus says however that if the traditions and teachings of men lead us away from God's Word to break the commandments of God we are no longer worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. This is why Gods' Word is the only rule of faith because our faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17. Therefore faith in Gods Word is the only foundation of Gods' true church, not the teachings and traditions of men that lead us away from God's Word to break the commandments of God according to Jesus in *Matthew 15:3-9 and Peter in Acts of the Apostles 5:29

 

[boughtwithaprice]

No one is leaving out anything. Believing and following what Gods' Word says covers everything. As posted earlier, there is nothing wrong with tradition in and of it self if it is based on the scriptures and not in contradiction to scripture or goes against the scriptures or leads us away from scripture to the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Jesus says however that if the traditions and teachings of men lead us away from God's Word to break the commandments of God we are no longer worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. This is why Gods' Word is the only rule of faith because our faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17. Therefore faith in Gods Word is the only foundation of Gods' true church, not the teachings and traditions of men that lead us away from God's Word to break the commandments of God according to Jesus in *Matthew 15:3-9 and Peter in Acts of the Apostles 5:29

Who is leading us away from God to break the commandments? How is this being done?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Who is leading us away from God to break the commandments? How is this being done?

If we follow any man-made teaching and tradition that leads us away from Gods' Word to break the commandments of God it is not from God. This is the warning that Jesus gives us in Matthew 15:3-9. Now if we do not know what Gods' Word is then how can we know who is leading us away from God to break God's commandments? - We cannot because we do not know God's Word. This is why scripture is the only rule of faith because it is God's Word we are to have faith in, not the teachings and traditions of men that lead us away from God and His Word.

 

[fhansen]

there is nothing wrong with tradition in and of it self if it is based on the scriptures

By definition the unwritten word of God would not be based on Scripture, but received before Scripture was written. And of course the two cannot conflict, and we're not speaking here of "traditions of men" but of that knowledge which God handed to His nascent church for our salvation and which that church was specifically told to hold fast to.

 

[fhansen]

If we follow any man-made teaching and tradition that leads us away from Gods' Word to break the commandments of God it is not from God. This is the warning that Jesus gives us in Matthew 15:3-9. Now if we do not know what Gods' Word is then how can we know who is leading us away from God to break God's commandments? - We cannot because we do not know God's Word. This is why scripture is the only rule of faith because it is God's Word we are to have faith in, not the teachings and traditions of men that lead us away from God and His Word.

You've just managed to confuse yourself by listening to other confused souls. Going by Scripture, alone, that often tends to happen, just as it has for the JWs for example.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

By definition the unwritten word of God would not be based on Scripture, but received before Scripture was written. And of course the two cannot conflict, and we're not speaking here of "traditions of men" but of that knowledge which God handed to His nascent church for our salvation and which that church was specifically told to hold fast to.

There is no knowledge or no tradition that is against the scriptures that is supported by the scriptures. Which is why scripture or Gods' Word is the only rule of faith. That is because faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. *Romans 10:17. No word means no faith and without faith it is impossible to please God.

 

[fhansen]

There is no knowledge or no tradition that is against the scriptures that is supported by the scriptures. Which is why scripture or Gods' Word is the only rule of faith. That is because faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. *Romans 10:17. No word means no faith and without faith it is impossible to please God.

Who's talking about "no Word"? And where did you get the right or notion to limit God's word solely to that which was written?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You've just managed to confuse yourself by listening to other confused souls. Going by Scripture, alone, that often tends to happen, just as it has for the JWs for example.

There is no confusion in the scriptures that have been shared with you. It is only Gods' Word and God' Word is not my words but Gods' Word. There is only confusion in all those who deny what Gods' Word says and do not believe them. Let's us all be careful not to ignore Gods' Word. Ignoring Gods' Word does not make it disappear according to Jesus in John 12:47-48