Can you really live by Sola Scriptura?

[LoveGodsWord]

What was intended was to say that a contracepted sex act does not consummate a marriage. Not that you said so or did not say so. So chill a bit.

I suspect you have been taught that contraception is AOK. But as recently as 1929 EVERY Christian denomination would have said that contraception is immoral. Many would have used Scriptures to make the case contraception was immoral. But then the Anglicans decided they should allow contraception in certain rare cases, and only for married couples. In the mean time Protestants were busy passing the Comstock Laws, making the selling of contraceptives illegal in the USA. But what started with the Anglicans spread to all the other Protestant bodies and artificial birth control suddenly became Scripturally approved. And divorce followed, and abortion followed, and here we are. Only the Catholics tried to say what was true before 1930 is true in 1968 and true in 2020. So did the Sola Scriptura folks get this right BEFORE 1930, or only gradually AFTER 1930?

I do not know what was intended or not intended. I just read the post and responded to it and it was not what I was talking about at all. I do not even know what your post is talking about here to be honest. Where is the scriptures that state contraception is immoral? According to the scriptures, sexuality serves a unifying purpose in marriage that is God-ordained and distinguishable from the procreative purpose (Genesis 2:24). Sexuality in marriage is intended to include joy, pleasure, and delight (Ecclesiastes 9:9; Proverbs 5:18, 19; Song of Solomon 4:16-5:1). God intends that couples may have ongoing sexual communion apart from procreation (1 Corinthians 7:3-5), a communion that forges strong bonds and protects a marriage partner from an inappropriate relationship with someone other than his or her spouse (Proverbs 5:15-20; Song of Solomon 8:6, 7). In God’s design, sexual intimacy is not only for the purpose of conception. Scripture does not prohibit married couples from enjoying the delights of conjugal relations while taking measures to prevent pregnancy (point 3). If your disagree your welcome to provide scripture for your teachings. Otherwise all you have provided is your opinion over something never stated in scripture.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I do not know what was intended or not intended. I just read the post and responded to it.

Ready, fire, aim.

 

[BPPLEE]

Catholic Bibles go back to the Septuagent (in Greek) and the Greek NT. Along the way Bibles were translated into multiple languages, including Latin. Also including Early English by people like the Venerable Bede WAY before the Reformation. So it is a lie to say the translation of the Bible into English was forbidden. It was expected that translations be adequate and not anti-Catholic in text or notes. The Douay Rheims Bible (in English) was smuggled into England before the KJV was even finished.

Bishop Henry Graham, originally a Calvinist who became Catholic, wrote 'Where We Got The Bible'. I'd recommend that. Then there is Jaroslav Pelikan, a Lutheran who became Orthodox, who wrote 'Whose Bible Is It.

If it is a lie why were the examples I gave imprisoned strangled and burned?

 

[BPPLEE]

We have not been taught the same history. We don't even speak the same language for the most part.

The language you speak is that you are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong

 

[BPPLEE]

Catholic Bibles go back to the Septuagent (in Greek) and the Greek NT. Along the way Bibles were translated into multiple languages, including Latin. Also including Early English by people like the Venerable Bede WAY before the Reformation. So it is a lie to say the translation of the Bible into English was forbidden. It was expected that translations be adequate and not anti-Catholic in text or notes. The Douay Rheims Bible (in English) was smuggled into England before the KJV was even finished.

Bishop Henry Graham, originally a Calvinist who became Catholic, wrote 'Where We Got The Bible'. I'd recommend that. Then there is Jaroslav Pelikan, a Lutheran who became Orthodox, who wrote 'Whose Bible Is It.

The Septuagent is not a Catholic Bible. Google it Septuagint - Wikipedia

 

[chevyontheriver]

If it is a lie why were the examples I gave imprisoned strangled and burned?

Why was Margaret Clitherow executed by crushing? English translations by Catholics go back to the Venerable Bede, who died way back in 735 AD, in something that probably looked very Anglo-Saxon. This is all very polemical, with more than enough hatred to go around. And English histories have been written by Protestants, so there is no shortage of lurid things they wrote about. Why were Catholic Bibles burned and why were Catholics killed at Tyburne Tree?

 

[chevyontheriver]

The Septuagent is not a Catholic Bible. Google it Septuagint - Wikipedia

Doh. The Septuagent was written by Alexandrian Jews. It was adopted into the Church from the beginning, and a high percentage of OT quotes in the NT were direct from the Septuagent. It became Catholic by the very fact that it was our most commonly used OT.

 

[BPPLEE]

Catholic Bibles go back to the Septuagent (in Greek) and the Greek NT. Along the way Bibles were translated into multiple languages, including Latin. Also including Early English by people like the Venerable Bede WAY before the Reformation. So it is a lie to say the translation of the Bible into English was forbidden. It was expected that translations be adequate and not anti-Catholic in text or notes. The Douay Rheims Bible (in English) was smuggled into England before the KJV was even finished.

Bishop Henry Graham, originally a Calvinist who became Catholic, wrote 'Where We Got The Bible'. I'd recommend that. Then there is Jaroslav Pelikan, a Lutheran who became Orthodox, who wrote 'Whose Bible Is It.

The Douay Rheims Bible was an answer to the Reformation Douay–Rheims Bible - Wikipedia

 

[chevyontheriver]

The language you speak is that you are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong

And you know that because ... Sola Scriptura? Which is about as 'I'm right and you are wrong' a theory as they come. Which is why I said that it has no provision for arbitration. Which, again, is why so many followers of it are fractured into competing and contradictory factions. You would find more agreement with me on many things than those who use Sola Scriptura as if their interpretations WERE God's Word to the waiting world.

 

[chevyontheriver]

The Douay Rheims Bible was an answer to the Reformation Douay–Rheims Bible - Wikipedia

And a good answer it was. Except that so many copies were seized and destroyed.

 

[BPPLEE]

Doh. The Septuagent was written by Alexandrian Jews. It was adopted into the Church from the beginning, and a high percentage of OT quotes in the NT were direct from the Septuagent. It became Catholic by the very fact that it was our most commonly used OT.

It was Commissioned by Ptolemy 11 Philadelphious the ruler of Egypt. I don't think he was Catholic. In 300 BC no one was. By your definition the Torah is Catholic

 

[chevyontheriver]

It was Commissioned by Ptolemy 11 Philadelphious the ruler of Egypt. I don't think he was Catholic. In 300 BC no one was. By your definition the Torah is Catholic

I think the spirit of this discussion has gone south. I'm done. Earlier today it was better. Now it's not.

 

[BPPLEE]

And you know that because ... Sola Scriptura? Which is about as 'I'm right and you are wrong' a theory as they come. Which is why I said that it has no provision for arbitration. Which, again, is why so many followers of it are fractured into competing and contradictory factions. You would find more agreement with me on many things than those who use Sola Scriptura as if their interpretations WERE God's Word to the waiting world.

I have not exactly defended Sola Scriptura as I have pointed out that you are Sola Catholic. I don't think I'm the only one who has the correct interpretation of the Bible. We probably have a lot of beliefs in common but you would rather try to prove that you're right than anything else. Did you ever stop to think you may be wrong about some things?

 

[BPPLEE]

I think the spirit of this discussion has gone south. I'm done. Earlier today it was better. Now it's not.

Why? Because you were wrong about something?

 

[disciple Clint]

Yes but they are doing what scripture says when they believe.

OK but not because they have read or know any scripture, Billy Graham brought many people to Jesus, many of those people had no knowledge of scripture but they understood the basic message of the Gospel thanks to him and they accepted Jesus as their savior.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

You could drive a semi truck through their statement on abortion.

And that was my point
Sounds like the Democrats. I don’t personally condone abortion, I have to allow it because whatever …..(inset reason which is not reason here)

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Where did I say contraception consummates a marriage? If I have never said such things or made those claims why pretend that this is what I am saying and make arguments no one is arguing about? You could have saved yourself time in writing this post as it is not an argument I have ever made or said.

Ok, then do you believe contraception is sinful?
Do you believe it is morally acceptable for married couple? Does your group teach that it is?
It is intrinsically evil regardless of circumstances. You cannot excuse adultery by claiming stewardship. Jesus never taught that
A woman cannot be reduced to an object of pure pleasure. Contraception does that, and marriages suffer as a result. Men are to be taught discipline and mortification of the deeds of the flesh. That was the Christian way until 1930

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ok, then do you believe contraception is sinful?
Do you believe it is morally acceptable for married couple? Does your group teach that it is?
It is intrinsically evil regardless of circumstances. You cannot excuse adultery by claiming stewardship. Jesus never taught that
A woman cannot be reduced to an object of pure pleasure. Contraception does that, and marriages suffer as a result. Men are to be taught discipline and mortification of the deeds of the flesh. That was the Christian way until 1930

Where is the scriptures that state contraception is immoral? - There is none. According to the scriptures, sexuality serves a unifying purpose in marriage that is God-ordained and distinguishable from the procreative purpose (Genesis 2:24). Sexuality in marriage is intended to include joy, pleasure, and delight (Ecclesiastes 9:9; Proverbs 5:18, 19; Song of Solomon 4:16-5:1). God intends that couples may have ongoing sexual communion apart from procreation (1 Corinthians 7:3-5), a communion that forges strong bonds and protects a marriage partner from an inappropriate relationship with someone other than his or her spouse (Proverbs 5:15-20; Song of Solomon 8:6, 7). In God’s design, sexual intimacy is not only for the purpose of conception. Scripture does not prohibit married couples from enjoying the delights of conjugal relations while taking measures to prevent pregnancy (point 3). If your disagree your welcome to provide scripture for your teachings. Otherwise all you have provided is your opinion over something never stated in scripture. As shown earlier, through the scriptures, sex in marriage is not fornication therefore not immoral *see also Hebrews 13:4

 

[BPPLEE]

OK but not because they have read or know any scripture, Billy Graham brought many people to Jesus, many of those people had no knowledge of scripture but they understood the basic message of the Gospel thanks to him and they accepted Jesus as their savior.

Where is the basic message of the gospel found? He was explaining what the Bible says to them. His message was from the Bible. You are correct in what you say but he got his message from the Bible

 

[BPPLEE]

Doh. The Septuagent was written by Alexandrian Jews. It was adopted into the Church from the beginning, and a high percentage of OT quotes in the NT were direct from the Septuagent. It became Catholic by the very fact that it was our most commonly used OT.

The Septuagint was written before there was a Church.