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Papal supremacy says the pope can act as pastor anywhere. Says nothing about being 'over' Scripture. Does your Senior Pastor have authority over Scripture? So too the pope doesn't.Papal supremacy - Wikipedia So this is wrong?
You have it back the front. Going by scripture alone means going by what God's Word says alone and believing and following what Gods' Word says. That is Christ is the head of the church *Ephesians 5:23. According to the scriptures believing in Gods' Word alone is not error it the truth of God *Romans 3:4; John 17:17 that saves us *Romans 10:17; 1 John 5:4; John 3:36 and the standard of what is right and what is wrong, what is truth *Romans 3:4; John 17:17 and what is error. It is the following of man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God and disobey Gods' Word that is error that is all too common resulting in obeying man and his/her opinions according to Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. Peter also agreeing with what Jesus says in Acts of the Apostles 5:29.Yes, and we know what He commanded whereas, going by Scripture alone, error is all too common, resulting in obeying man, his/her opinions.
Pure guess-work. Again, you have no more reason to think that Scripture is God's word than you to believe that the unwritten practices and beliefs of the Church are also God's Word, received at the beginning. The eastern and western ancient churches and the ECFs are virtually unanimous on what it takes to please God-to be justified- including the sacraments that reflect that same theology, along with their reliance on Tradition to begin with as the second stream of revelation. Sorry, but you just can't make up stuff as you go along, or listen to leaders with their extra-biblical revelations and historical speculations if you expect to know the truth. For that, one must also rely on the ones who were "there" at the beginning.You have it back the front. Going by scripture alone means going by what God's Word says alone and believing and following what Gods' Word says. According to the scriptures believing in Gods' Word alone is not error it the truth of God *John 17:17 that saves us *Romans 10:17; 1 John 5:4; John 3:36 and the standard of what is right and what is wrong, what is truth *Romans 3:4; John 17:17 and what is error. It is the following of man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God and disobey Gods' Word that is error that is all too common resulting in obeying man and his/her opinions according to Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. Peter also agreeing in Acts of the Apostles 5:29.
Your response here...LoveGodsWord said: ↑ You have it back the front. Going by scripture alone means going by what God's Word says alone and believing and following what Gods' Word says. According to the scriptures believing in Gods' Word alone is not error it the truth of God *John 17:17 that saves us *Romans 10:17; 1 John 5:4; John 3:36 and the standard of what is right and what is wrong, what is truth *Romans 3:4; John 17:17 and what is error. It is the following of man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God and disobey Gods' Word that is error that is all too common resulting in obeying man and his/her opinions according to Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. Peter also agreeing in Acts of the Apostles 5:29.
No guess work needed. God says it as shown by Jesus, Peter, Paul and John in the post you are quoting from. All we need to do is to believe and follow what they say (faith). Why would you think Jesus is not God *John 1:1-4; 14 and that he gave His Words to the Apostles to give to the world *Matthew 28:19-20 (new testament)? Therefore both the old testament scriptures *2 Timothy 3:15-16 and the new testament scriptures are Gods' Word that saves us as we believe and follow them *John 3:36; Matthew 7:21 because it is written we are saved by God's grace through faith *Ephesians 2:8 and that this faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17. Therefore the scriptures are the only rule of faith. For without faith it is impossible to please God *Hebrews 11:6. For whatsoever is not of faith that comes from believing what Gods' Word says is sin *Romans 14:23Pure guess-work. Again, you have no more reason to think that Scripture is God's word than you to believe that the unwritten practices and beliefs of the Church are also God's Word, received at the beginning. The eastern and western ancient churches and the ECFs are virtually unanimous on what it takes to please God-to be justified- including the sacraments that reflect that same theology, along with their reliance on Tradition to begin with as the second stream of revelation. Sorry, but you just can't make up stuff as you go along, or listen to leaders with their extra-biblical revelations and historical speculations if you expect to know the truth. For that, one must also rely on the ones who were "there" at the beginning.
You accept scripture AND the authority of the Church. Protestants accept scripture. That's where we differ. You can argue that denominations are loyal to their traditions and that's a valid argument. I'm just saying I'm not Catholic and I believe differently than Catholics. I don't think my view is the only acceptable view. Some people on this forum think theirs is the only acceptable view and everyone else is wrong.where in that document does it say that the Pope is above scripture. He has authority over other people’s opinions on scripture but he is not given carte blanche to contradict scripture.
He does contradict people that propose a scriptural position that is not true, much like Our Lord Jesus did to Satan in the desert, when Satan used scripture to tempt the Lord
He doesn’t even have the authority to change Catholic teaching, only to guard it
Who said He isn't God? The only difference here is that we listen to all of His counsel.Your response here...
No guess work needed. God says it as shown by John, Peter and Jesus in the post you are quoting from all we need to do is to believe and follow what they say. Why would you think Jesus is not God *John 1:1-4; 14 and that he gave His Words to the Apostles to give to the world *Matthew 28:19-20 (new testament)? Therefore both the old testament scriptures *2 Timothy 3:15 and the new testament scriptures are Gods' Word that saves us as we believe and follow them *John 3:36; Matthew 7:21.
Then the new testament scriptures are Gods' Word right? (Jesus and the Apostles) just like the old testament scriptures *2 Timothy 3:15-16. Therefore the old and new testament scriptures are Gods written Word (scripture) that we are to believe and follow by faith that comes from Gods' Word *Romans 10:17. God's Word (scripture) therefore is all of Gods counsel and there is no counsel outside of Gods' Word that is in contradiction to what God's Word says. If our salvation is dependent on believing and following what Gods' Word says (faith) *Ephesians 2:8 then everything leads back to scripture alone (see Hebrews 11:6; Romans 10:17; John 3:36; Matthew 7:21) which is the only rule of faith.Who said He isn't God? The only difference here is that we listen to all of His counsel.
Was Saint Peter the first pope? | GotQuestions.org is the Protestant versionand what is the basis for your disagreement?
Not sure what you mean, I posted quotes from your church on what really happened with one of God’s commandments. Jesus told us to obey God’s commandments over mans traditions and for me I choose to believe in the teachings of Jesus over a church.You finally played the SDA Sunday card as your ultimate card. Thereby letting all other Protestants know where they stand with you. In vain do they worship. Catholics already knew where we stood with you.
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sola scriptura - means "testing" all doctrine and practice by the Word of God - scripture. As in Acts 17:11
If that's all it means then I'd have no problem at all with it.
But then again all the people who insist that they follow Sola Scriptura would all end up agreeing on everything.
And that's not happening.
It's more like Sola Scriptura is a cudgel one group uses to bash another group with.
And the other group uses Sola Scriptura right back as a cudgel to bash the first guys.
Now I see more things I disagree with. There is no point in arguing you are sold on the Catholic Church's position. I'm not. I'm willing to accept mine is not the only view. I don't know if you are
Your is an honorable position, but it is not investigated. Who told you that the Scriptures are true?
Here is an exercise for you. Get a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and tell me anything in there that is unbiblical or antibiblical. There is no contradiction between the magisterial Catholic faith and scripture
The Rock the Church is built on is Jesus Christ, not an apostle. 1 Corinthians 10:1-12 I think the Catholic church has rewritten a bit of history.Peter as given the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever he bound on Earth was bound in heaven, whatever he loosed on Earth was loosed in Heaven. God gave him that authority. He did not take it for himself.
For you to ignore that authority, you claim Christ had no right to give it, and should have stuck to your version of the law. Who is ignoring God and obeying men?
The Apostles were told to go into the World and preach the Gospel, not spread Judaism. The best way to teach the Gospel was to proclaim Christs resurrection and the founding of the Church on Pentecost. Those both took place on Sunday, the first day of the week.
Paul withstood Peter to his face in Galatians saying you are a Jew but live as a gentile. Why would he say that? He was probably eating pork and holding Mass on Sundays. Paul then says why should the Gentiles live as Jews.
If you look in Exodus, you will see the Sabbath command was given to the Israelites not the gentiles, and we don’t compel gentiles to live as Jews. The Sabbath is not part of the natural law, it is ceremonial and a shadow of things to come, just as circumcision was, yet circumcision was greater than the Sabbath, as Jews were allowed to break the Sabbath to perform circumcision.
Besides, you know there are Ten Commandments right ? Why doesn’t the SDA keep the teaching on adultery and murder? Their teaching says contraception, which promotes lust is ok, and abortion, which is murder is ok in some circumstances. If they are so emphatic that we must keep all the commandments, why are they lax in those areas?
I am a long way from having a full grasp of the scriptures. You are speaking from what you have been taught. I have been taught something different. I don't believe that I am the only one who is right. There are a lot of things you can disagree about and still be saved.I disagree with some of what you sayYour is an honorable position, but it is not investigated. Who told you that the Scriptures are true? Who compiled and canonized them? Who translated them for you to read? Who defended them through the centuries and millenia to ensure there was no deviation from the faith once delivered to the saints?
The Bible did not appear out of the air, the Catholic Church wrote the Bible. There were so many different gospels back in the early Church that you would not have know what is true unless it was from the Catholic Church.
Paul warned of sectarianism; some say I am of Paul, I am of Apollos, others say I am of Christ. Is Christ divided? God forbid. There is one Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church as stated in the Nicene creed.
I pray that you continue searching and keep your heart open to God. Never feel you have a complete grasp of the scriptures, we can always learn
I am a long way from having a full grasp of the scriptures. You are speaking from what you have been taught. I have been taught something different. I don't believe that I am the only one who is right. There are a lot of things you can disagree about and still be saved.
The Rock the Church is built on is Jesus Christ, not an apostle. 1 Corinthians 10:1-12 I think the Catholic church has rewritten a bit of history.
The Ten Commandments (not just the Sabbath) was given to Israel. Israel is a metaphor to God’s people and in the NT gentiles are grafted in to God’s Israel for those who follow God’s Word. Galatians 3:26-29. That’s why each one of the Ten Commandments has been repeated in the New Covenant for everyday Christian living.
The SDA church promotes all of the Ten Commandments and you will find that in our fundental beliefs. What do Seventh Day Adventists Really Believe? - Adventist.org If you break one of the commandments, you break them all James 2:10-12 so what individuals do or don’t do can’t be hidden from God and we will all have to stand before Jesus on judgement day. 2 Corinthians 2:10. I don’t believe everyone who is an SDA will be saved or that all Catholics are lost. We will all be judged based upon the light that we have, but Jesus is calling us back to worship Him in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24 and no where in the Holy scriptures tells us we can put aside any of God’s commandments in lieu of mans traditions.
Misinformation. The SDA Church neither condones abortion or fornication.I have read the SDA statement of beliefs and other official SDA teaching. It teaches that contraception is ok, even though the scriptures teach us to flee fornication, it even condones plan B and abortifacients as well as using the don’t judge line about outright abortion. I was disappointed. I was expecting more from a group that claims to promote all of the commandments
Misinformation. The SDA Church neither condones abortion or fornication.
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