Can marriage ever be a sin if both are Christian

[mikeforjesus]

The reason I make many posts because I am learning that I think it best then but change my mind. Now I decided I plan to marry when I work as I see some pastors say so but people should help others find work that I suppose should be required to do some work but plan to provide best I can do.

My dad believes though I don’t think he thinks it wrong as sin but still seems to say as wrong that one should not seek to marry someone in early 20 if you are older by 15 years maybe because they will not want you because they are still young youth not yet having sought to do something with life.

Though I suppose it is not wrong but they will not want probably others have done though it is not advised as some have done only for money and then divorced.

I think also it is wrong to try to promote you should not try to marry though you do not need to because such may be best for person because he may not have gift to not control oneself as even looking at sinful images of a sexual nature can be stumbling block.

 

[ZephBonkerer]

The reason I make many posts because I am learning that I think it best then but change my mind...

You don't have to make all your life decisions now. If you are undecided regarding whether you want to marry, that's just fine. It's ok to make your decisions based on current circumstances.

You cannot marry anyway if you don't even have a girlfriend.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I decided for myself that I would not marry that I have seen that people are not nice to even try to help you so don’t want to with any of them but I don’t want to marry as I believe I have been blessed with a lot and I should not seem selfish to help preach that also important for people who are Christian voice who I believe I have an influence that better for me not to but I will focus on my relationship with God to pray. I will follow Orthodox Church and follow it to see if it helps to prove and also seek to be rebaptised and chrismated in Catholic Church just to prove it does not benefit at all. Also I would like to be baptised in a church of christ if I can find one with baptism pond.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I do now seek to marry but I will do so when I work because otherwise people feel justified in claiming marriage is not important to be sacred that should not seek to encourage good atleast that one wills to support and marriage to work and bringing forth of christian children should be done to encourage more good for otherwise encourages that it should not be sought and people use my situation to support in doing mocking in some way.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The bible says as it was in the days of Noah they were marrying and giving in marriage and did not know until the flood came and took them all away so it will be when the son of man returns


In the days of Noah marriage was a sin because sons of God married daughters of men that is the non spiritual people


I thought marriage is never a sin if person is Christian as Paul said he who marries has not sinned but such will have trouble in the flesh


But could it be a sin if the other person possibility may not be a true Christian if they are not of similar background to atleast be born in Christian family though it is possible one is a Christian if one is not

What other situations is it a sin ?

But how can it take them by surprise if Christ will come after the tribulation do you think some will not even believe they are in the tribulation because how then can it take them by surprise ?

My dad says when Paul says in the last days people will forbid marriage it means because people will live together without getting married I don’t think however it is necessary to get married and have kids you may not raise in God if one is not spiritual but this means people should not sin and if they do they must repent

I am convinced now that I should not marry because it may not work out my father thought it was good for me though I don’t have to and my grandfather
my dads father told me before he died he wanted me to get married but my father said I don’t have to listen to him if I thought it was good and I was able to do something for the Lord I would think to get married but I think being single is being more profitable for the Lord the barren has more children than one who is married because you should not make people feel they have to get married which being single is maybe more safe and good for some and you don’t know if you will meet one suitable

unless I am convinced being married is good if I meet one suitable I don’t think I should get married

Marriage primary functions as a social safety net for children, women, elders and those with special need, some people build business or political alliances through marriage, that has always been the norm until post WWII modern time, and it still is in most developing countries. Romance is a modern invention, I as a straight man love reading romance novels and watching romance movies more than any other genre, but that's not reality, you can't build a marriage on the ebbs and flows of your hormones. Deciding to marry or not marry based on feelings is immature.

Then spiritually, marriage is a sacred union for a man and a woman to merge into one flesh, you no longer live only for yourself, but for your spouse as well, you're demanded to tend to their physical and emotional needs, that's a huge responsibility not everybody can bear. Therefore, marriage has always been regarded as a rite of passage into adulthood, you know, that is virtually universal in all cultures on earth.

So don't get yourself trapped in this theological rabbit hole, be realistic, think carefully from these two perspectives and then determine whether you're marriage material or not. If you have other social safety net as a reliable substitude for marriage, and you also have other significant experience that teaches you responsibility, then good for you, you don't have to marry. Nonetheless, Jesus taught that marriage is not for everybody, "He who is able to accept it, let him accept it." (Matt. 19:12) But the bottom line is, it's NOT a sin, whether officiated by a priest in a holy matrimony or not. Cohabitation on the other hand is a certainly a sin. The Samaritan woman was cohabitating with her beau when she met Jesus at Jacob's well, and Jesus exposed that in a rather sarcastic tone in rebuke of her partial truth.

 

[mikeforjesus]

Thankyou I know you seek to help but that is what people will seek to use as defense to choose to reject me that there is something wrong with me to not be marriage material and use my past against me for being honest about my beliefs hating God though that is not true that bible says God provides needs that if I am willing to work it is wrong to reject for bible also says He provides our daily needs and we don’t know future for many in their situation never married and yet their needs are met and many people have married and have kids who just do any work. God promised to provide for all the needs of people so He would support people from poor families to give job opportunities as bible says we should have faith that we are of more value than bird which God arranges their needs that God knows our needs to meet them if we turn to Him to seek first the kingdom that we should have faith for God to provide daily bread.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Thankyou I know you seek to help but that is what people will seek to use as defense to choose to reject me that there is something wrong with me to not be marriage material and use my past against me for being honest about my beliefs hating God though that is not true that bible says God provides needs that if I am willing to work it is wrong to reject for bible also says He provides our daily needs and we don’t know future for many in their situation never married and yet their needs are met and many people have married and have kids who just do any work . God promised to provide for all the needs of people so He would support people from poor families to give job opportunities as bible says we should have faith that we are of more value than bird which God arranges their needs that God knows our needs to meet them if we turn to Him to seek first the kingdom that we should have faith for God to provide daily bread.

Yes, indeed God is a God who provides, but it's our job to seek and collect His provision, and sometimes, if not most of the time, we could be very reluctant to do so and come up with all kinds of excuses. Faith without work is dead.

 

[mikeforjesus]

Ofcourse it is important to do your best but it may be difficult and many good couples have got married to accept others for just working any job doing what they can even if they are not as successful as others.

 

[mikeforjesus]

This video by Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel seems to want to claim that your actions even if you repent can stop you from finding one.

Jesus does not count our mistakes like Father love letter evil people do but they never do good to one because he is good they are wrong for others have got married there are examples who did bad and I was good for long time and no one accepted me or showed interested in me it depends on people free will and most are bad and people can die refusing to do good to good people for no cause if they die without really caring to regret not doing even if they don’t judge others such may go to hell or cease to exist if they at least endured and kept the faith but unbelievers will go to hell.

For seems church is seeking to be just as the lawyers that makes others leave church if church acts like that to claim can not find spouse claims if you have any behaviour and don’t go to church not worthy of spouse.I mean behaviour others do not approve of but is not sin just as watching movies because others consider you boring such as watching movies that is not pg even if you hate it to know culture. For also they are wrong to judge also people for previous mistakes because they may do as they are being rejected and did not believe others will accept atleast they thought at time so is not fair and now they feel they ought to be more informed about the world to see more clearer what thoughts most people feel about that they are shaped to understand people. But I realise now there is no benefit of such movies that it is not realistic and I saw already and not good taste and I realise now it wastes time and promotes just immorality and seeing no benefit so will not watch.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=eOVqhOieKHM

Actually am editing because there is no room for teaching of souls ceasing to exist so must not give false hope that even if people were deceived they will still go to hell as Jesus said they have Moses and the prophets let them hear them. Anyone can repent to be sorry for not doing good if can‘t do. I must also hear Moses and prophets who clearly said God will require at the hand of the prophet like him Jesus so not just God that believing in a messiah is essential which would never be except He be God as Jesus said I come in my Father name and you do not receive me another comes in his own name who you will receive and God never judged any people as Moses never did without any signs for it is wrong to follow anyone to accept if one can not even prove for sure for also God says can trust only Him and if Christianity was not true God could prove to any who trusted Him it is wrong m.He said if I forgive not I will not be forgiven.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I believe my dad can hinder me from finding a spouse by claiming that if I follow what he says I can find but I know that is not what happens that whenever you trust in parents rather than God plan you fail. He said to me in Australia the law says if there is divorce for any reason can lose money and was going to ask here but was worried others would say so as my dad as they want things to be against me and the law would change but I don’t think it is.

When I asked chatpt

In Australia if there is divorce with fraudulent marriage that person divorces without ever trying to fulfill marital duties to have sexual relations to try to have baby.

It said

I'm not a lawyer, but I can try to provide some general information. In Australia, the Family Law Act governs the division of property and financial matters in the event of a divorce. The court will consider various factors, including the the relationship length, of financial contributions, and future needs of the parties involved.

If you suspect fraudulent marriage or believe that you should not be liable for financial losses due to a lack of sexual relations, it's advisable to consult with a family law attorney who can provide legal advice specific to your situation. They can help you understand your rights and guide you through the legal process.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I feel that marriage has nothing to do with waiting passively as some support that you must take action and not disqualify yourself by bad treatment of others. But I have done some actions because I am not sure to trust people really are into me to offend them if they are not sincere.

This is what churches use to say against one why God does not do good to me as though my way is not good to fall in negligence when many others received and still lived in negligence. But it is not true for it is up to people and I hope people do not allow these church leaders to abuse others to let them win and don’t do good work for kingdom. For God may punish people for not doing good if others they did bad to are not blessed but if they are by their prayers people are blessed but their souls can be saved to visit it on them and children and even if not their seed will not continue for many generations.

"Everyone who asks something of God and does not receive it doubtless does not receive it for one of these reasons: either because they ask before the time, or they ask unworthily, or out of vainglory, or because if they received what they asked they would become proud or fall into negligence."

- St. John of the Ladder

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I feel that marriage has nothing to do with waiting passively as some support that you must take action and not disqualify yourself by bad treatment of others. But I have done some actions because I am not sure to trust people really are into me to offend them if they are not sincere.

This is what churches use to say against one why God does not do good to me as though my way is not good to fall in negligence when many others received and still lived in negligence. But it is not true for it is up to people and I hope people do not allow these church leaders to abuse others to let them win and don’t do good work for kingdom. For God may punish people for not doing good if others they did bad to are not blessed but if they are by their prayers people are blessed but their souls can be saved to visit it on them and children and even if not their seed will not continue for many generations.

"Everyone who asks something of God and does not receive it doubtless does not receive it for one of these reasons: either because they ask before the time, or they ask unworthily, or out of vainglory, or because if they received what they asked they would become proud or fall into negligence."

- St. John of the Ladder

If we're still discussing marriage, then let's go to the basics, marriage is the first social institution ordained by God to have and raise children. I have heard that women have this inner urge to have children, driven by their hormones, the closer they approach menopause, the stronger this urge, and they feel exceptionally depressed when they see some of their besties getting married and having baby, much more depressed than men seeing their buddies enter into marriage. As a man I have no personal experience to validate or invalidate this, but ultimately this depends on your desire for children. If this is true for you, then maybe you should seek marriage, regardless of what other people say, and caucasian women in fertile age generally have great advantage over men in the dating market, so be confident and optimistic; if not, then forget about it, God loves single people who save themselves for the glory of God as much as married people who go forth and multiply.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Oh, and btw, this urge is actually called "baby fever", the intense longing for pregnancy and motherhood, usually in the 30s and triggered by the sight or any other signal associated with babies, some women feel it more intense than others; but in pop culture is often mistaken as "ticking biologic clock," referring to the closing window of fertility and dwindling egg quality, that's a misogynistic misnomer. The real biologic clock is the circadian rhythm, which regulates our sleep-wake cycle, which has nothing to do with women's fertility.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I dont know if I can trust anyone nowadays who are Christian so even if you marry a Christian but person is not devoted to bible way of life is not right because don’t know if will change. If they are willing to change I will accept but can not know and also how can the government of australia according to my dad says if anyone divorces you they can still take money because some abuse their wives and cheat them but is wrong. How is government allowed to get away with it and cause many to suffer. I don’t want to marry unless I know I do not have to share great amount of money if there is divorce without trying enough to have children. Anyway I decided only I would care to seek eternal life as that is most important that God knows my needs to give good gifts to all who ask what is good as He said seek first the kingdom and all these things will be added. That is what is good so I will accept God will unless He shows to prove to me it is good.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I want to understand this more if it can be possible for one to be at risk if he makes the need to marry an idol that he marries even if Christ has given him gifts to be able to serve Him more as article here below says

Christ says beware you be weighed down by cares of this life and that day come unaware. It means I believe to be so consumed that you have no time for God as I believe this article shows.

www.salvationcall.com/cares-world/

I wonder if making marriage an idol to seek it when not content only if you know God wants you to can cause one to miss rapture as this video might suggest that I posted a long time ago.

Update now I understand that the cares of life means that the things of this life you pursue to take focus so that you don’t have time for God but is not wrong if you do.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZymFJaGIZCU

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I want to understand this more if it can be possible for one to be at risk if he makes the need to marry an idol that he marries even if Christ has given him gifts to be able to serve Him more as article here below says

Christ says beware you be weighed down by cares of this life and that day come unaware. It means I believe to be so consumed that you have no time for God as I believe this article shows.

www.salvationcall.com/cares-world/

I wonder if making marriage an idol to seek it when not content only if you know God wants you to can cause one to miss rapture as this video might suggest that I posted a long time ago.

Update now I understand that the cares of life means that the things of this life you pursue to take focus so that you don’t have time for God but is not wrong if you do.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZymFJaGIZCU

Then I recommend this podcast, Girls' Night hosted by Stephanie May Wilson, she's an expert with great insight. Go search this particular episode, "How to Invest in Your Future Marriage and Your Single Life at the Same Time", where the host discussed this idolatry of worshiping marriage and expecting marriage to fix all your problems. Below is the episode's link.

How to Invest in Your Future Marriage and Your Single Life at the Same Time — The Girls Night Podcast

In this episode, Kait Warman, from The Heart of Dating Podcast, and I chat about how to invest in your future marriage and your single life at the same time. We also talk about praying for your future husband!

www.girlsnightpodcast.com

 

[mikeforjesus]

I decided for sake of gospel not to pursue marriage to show care for those who do not and also as I would have more freedom to pursue goals to help others.Envy is wrong as Christian’s and God glory is greater than our plans that since it may not be possible for some to get married and I don’t know any will to me yet they are wrong to reject others as marriage is still a good thing as God wants Christian’s to multiply but one does not need to that single is also good also for those older and to show care

 

[mikeforjesus]

Actually I only did not want to marry as felt bad because in difficult situation that I was recommended by one someone but I was talking to another and dont want to lose one I am talking to but we are older same age and not sure easier to have children but I think now because I don’t care for it atleast to get married is good.

 

[mikeforjesus]

Actually I don’t want to marry I want to be free to serve God not to be hindered by a relationship so I will not seek for I saw post saying those who let God guide them will not make regrettable mistakes for I fear to make one life hell.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I believe instead I will seek to marry even if can’t have kids as is good to show to prevent fornication one should marry as it is not necessary to have kids and marriage is good to have partner to learn to love to one partner and not live with lust and have partner to strive on goals to help serve God.