Can Creationists justify not being Flat Earthers?

[SkyWriting]

Yet Magellan states that the church says the earth is flat. Is Magellan lying? Did the church come to this conclusion even though the bible says the earth is spherical?

My argument is that the earth is flat for most of the worlds population.
I know south siders that have not been to the north side of the city.
They certainly don't give a rip about the arc of the earth. Most don't.

 

[Black Dog]

My argument is that the earth is flat for most of the worlds population.
I know south siders that have not been to the north side of the city.
They certainly don't give a rip about the arc of the earth. Most don't.

LOL, the earth is NOT flat for most of the earth's population. The earth is a sphere. The bible says it's flat, as per the church, but it's not. Sorry, but one more instance of the bible being wrong.

 

[SkyWriting]

I talked about "taking hold of the ends of the earth". This does not explain that.

Understanding scripture is not a job for wise men.
Just put the phrase back into context.
The phrase is not used as part of a geography lesson.

Typically, the man would approach the woman and spread his blanket over her to ... been winnowing barley on the threshing floor, where the wheat was separated from the chaff

 

[Black Dog]

Understanding scripture is not a job for wise men.
Just put the phrase back into context.

Typically, the man would approach the woman and spread his blanket over her to ... been winnowing barley on the threshing floor, where the wheat was separated from the chaff

Thank you for making my point, again. When people agree with the bible, it must be taken literally, but when they disagree with it, it must be interpreted. So, what is your methodology for extracting the truth out of the bible, how do you accurately separate the factual truth from the metaphor?

 

[Butterfly99]

Yeah I asked about this too when I was brand new here cause somebody told me that if you're a Bible-believing Christian you have to believe the earth is flat, NASA isn't real, evolution is fake. Oh someone also told me her church doesn't believe in dating. Instead kids get engaged at like 15. Lol. Folks don't believe in things I didn't even know was possible to not believe in. They believe in things I had no idea anybody would believe in like dinosaurs & man living at the same time.

Pretty much I learned to stop believing people who say you MUST believe what I believe or else you can't be called a Christian like me.

 

[SkyWriting]

Thank you for making my point, again. When people agree with the bible, it must be taken literally, but when they disagree with it, it must be interpreted. So, what is your methodology for extracting the truth out of the bible, how do you accurately separate the factual truth from the metaphor?

Understanding scripture is not a job for wise men.
Just put the phrase back into context.

 

[SkyWriting]

LOL, the earth is NOT flat for most of the earth's population. The earth is a sphere. The bible says it's flat, as per the church, but it's not. Sorry, but one more instance of the bible being wrong.

The earth is not only flat, even worse, you demand it to be flat.
If you would ask me to build you a concrete patio and you
contracted it to be "Flat and level"

If it was large enough, and perfectly flat, it would puddle in the middle.
What you wanted was for it to curve to the earth. But I made it flat
and it forms a huge lake as big as the patio.

Humans consider a curve that fits the changes in earths gravity to be flat.
Consider the Great Salt Flats. Go ahead and try to get the name changed.
It's not "the church" that is going to object. Call it a salt dome and see if that flies.

 

[dysert]

The earth is not only flat, even worse, you demand it to be flat.

Did you make a typo here? (I hope so.)

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I really don't see how terminologies that were put in place for the benefit of those born before the bic lighter should be taken for anything more than the time period they were placed in.

I've heard the term "the four corners of the world" being still used today, but does that truly mean that these people actually think the world has corners or is it a euphemism for searching everywhere.

What I find disturbing is that some people read more into what the Bible says than what is in there and that seems to be at the root of almost every incident that has brought embarrassment to Christianity. These guys who think they can calculate the beginning or ending of the world is especially nerve wracking.

The only thing important in the bible is the relationship with God and giving your life to Jesus. The rest of this is simply placing your stamp of undrstanding on Gods creation and that irrelevant to God.

 

[Resha Caner]

Creationists say the bible must be interpreted literally. But then they say you can't interpret the bible literally when it states the earth is flat. Clearly the bible is wrong about certain things, so how do creationists know that the parts about God creating man are correct? When they have zero evidence?

You can think what you like but I don't do any of the things you've claimed nor do I agree with your conclusions. So, you're just doing exactly what I said.

 

[dysert]

Creationists say the bible must be interpreted literally. But then they say you can't interpret the bible literally when it states the earth is flat. Clearly the bible is wrong about certain things, so how do creationists know that the parts about God creating man are correct? When they have zero evidence?

(I don't know how I missed this one.)

No, it's not clear that "the Bible is wrong about certain things". My guess is that it's your understanding that is wrong.

 

[SkyWriting]

Did you make a typo here? (I hope so.)

The Earth is Flat
Plus or minus .01%. Just wanted ya to know.

That is pretty flat.
I challenge you to make a board, steel bar, or airplane runway
that does not deviate 8 inches in one mile.

 

[Papias]

My argument is that the earth is flat for most of the worlds population.

As black dog pointed out, we are talking about what is real here - the earth is not flat for anybody.

Understanding scripture is not a job for wise men.
Just put the phrase back into context.

As we've seen in posts by me and others, there are dozens of verses that say it's flat - and they are not "figures of speech", they are things like descriptions of events, and so on. We can go through them again if you'd like.

The point is that there is more and better scriptural support for a flat earth than there is for creationism, yet evolution deniers ignore the many verses showing a flat earth, while insisting on a literal interpretation of a few verses to support their evolution denial.

The responses on this thread makes confirm that observation.

In Christ-

Papias

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Creationists say the bible must be interpreted literally. But then they say you can't interpret the bible literally when it states the earth is flat. Clearly the bible is wrong about certain things, so how do creationists know that the parts about God creating man are correct? When they have zero evidence?

I think people get confused about things that are taken seriously in the Bible and those that should be taken Literally. The Bible is a book that deserves to taken seriously because of the implications of being a Christian and not taken seriously. That being said there is an overwhelming amount of symbolism in there that are needed to be thought over and pondered for the meaning behind the words, instead of the words themselves.
Jesus taught, primarily through the use of parables which where situation dramas that allowed the listener to imagine themselves placed in the predicaments that were being described. That still happened today.

Take the parable of the good Sumerian, for instance. How many have admired that Sumerian and have imagined themselves in the roll he took in dealing with that incident?

Does that mean there was a literal sumartian who actually did that? I dont know. I'd like to think so, but that wasn't the idea behind the parable. The idea was to make you think. god made all of us and knows how our minds and hearts work. Those who think that everything in the Bible should be taken literally, word for word, without the benefit of the thought process is putting more faith in the letter of the law and not the spirit of it.

One thing that comes to mind is the ideal of when they were about to stone a women for adultery. Jesus didn't let the sentence be carried out because that punishment was not why the law was made. It was made to stop people from adultery. He gave the women a second chance, just as he has given all of us second, third and fourth chances. We have to remember that we are all imperfect and shouldn't think that were are incapable of not understanding the meaning and intent of Gods book. If we don't see that we are just as blind as those we chastise for not reading it at all.

 

[Aman777]

LOL, the earth is NOT flat for most of the earth's population. The earth is a sphere. The bible says it's flat, as per the church, but it's not. Sorry, but one more instance of the bible being wrong.

False, since Adam's Earth was flat. In fact, it was covered in the waters of the flood when the flood was only 22.5 feet deep. Gen 7:20. You have confused the present Earth with the Earth which was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 The Scoffers of the last days agree with you since most of them think they know more than God. Amen?

 

[SkyWriting]

As black dog pointed out, we are talking about what is real here - the earth is not flat for anybody.

It is flat for nearly everyone.
People who erect cell phone towers might be concerned
about the curve of the earth. Few others ever need to
consider it.

You might as well say that the way space-time is curved and
distorted by mass is real. But very few think is's an issue.
Most people think that space is flat too.

 

[Loudmouth]

It is flat for nearly everyone.
People who erect cell phone towers might be concerned
about the curve of the earth. Few others ever need to
consider it.

With the Bible, we are told that it holds knowledge that people of the time could not have. Now we are being told that the Bible reflects their ignorance of the world. Which is it?

 

[SkyWriting]

we are talking about what is real here

Your reality does not apply to everyone. Some don't even know who you are.

 

[Black Dog]

The only thing important in the bible is the relationship with God and giving your life to Jesus. The rest of this is simply placing your stamp of undrstanding on Gods creation and that irrelevant to God.

Amen!

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

False, since Adam's Earth was flat. In fact, it was covered in the waters of the flood when the flood was only 22.5 feet deep. Gen 7:20. You have confused the present Earth with the Earth which was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 The Scoffers of the last days agree with you since most of them think they know more than God. Amen?

Genesis 7:20 says "The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits." It doesn't say how high the mountains were. Mount Ararat, which the Ark came to rest on is 16,854′, which tells me the waters were above that.

How do you come by this Idea that the world the flood destroyed any more of the world than that which had abided on it other than those within the Arc?
It even says in Gen 8:21 "And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done." If you destroy everything living on something you destroy that thing because the absence of life is death and that's pretty destructive.