Can Creationists justify not being Flat Earthers?

[SkyWriting]

I hardly think they were dwarfed. Two of each unclean and 7 of every clean animals are a lot of animals and then you have to take into account the food and water stores, as well.

If the chosen were full grown, that would be silly.
Animals don't eat or drink during hibernation.
The requirements were not "all animals".
Only those that walked on land. And not
all species. Only the number God decided
was needed to repopulate quickly. And HE
would know the minimum number needed
even if you can't figure it.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm trying to understand what you're saying. Are you saying that God created our earth and that Adam's world was a subset of the earth? A dome-like structure on our earth that was destroyed by the Flood?

Adams world had talking serpents and the tree of life. Adam was removed from the Garden
and not allowed to return. The dome of water could easily have been water vapor creating
a mild and warm climate. Clouds do that.

 

[Aman777]

Adam's Earth was flat and not spherical?

Sure. God put water into the hollow firmament or solid boundary of Adam's world and then dry ground on top of that.

Gen 1:9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven (firmament) be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Put water into any container and add ground on top of it and the ground/Earth will be Flat. Amen?

 

[Heissonear]

Both Creationists and Flat Earthers rely on the bible to justify their beliefs. It all depends on which verses are taken literally, and which aren't.

Without a methodology for separating which verses are meant to be taken literally, and which ones aren't, is it illogical for creationists to deny flat earth theory?

The Bible and a Flat Earth:

Black Dog, perhaps you forgot the essential? The Author? ☺

Slight oversight.

Since Genesis 6:3 God through His Holy Spirit has been trying to stop people from walking only after their fleshly desires but to learn His Ways and to yield to the the Holy Spirit within them, even as plainly stated in the New Testament in Galatians 5:17-24.

So when you say Creationist are Bible Bound you are ignorant of the Living God at work around us, and how to be born again to see the Kingdom of God, as plainly stated in the Gospel of John 3:3.

The Bible is mere paper with letters in it. You forgot about the Author, and His Kingdom in our midst.

 

[Aman777]

I am not guessing anything since God created all the animals in the days of creation before Adam was forced out of Eden and in order for those creatures to have survived until today they would have had to have been in the arc.

God created "every living creature that moveth" on the 5th Day from the water. Gen 1:21 He had also created THREE firmaments/heavens BEFORE the 5th Day. He made One firmament which He called "heaven" on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:8 He made other heavenS on the 3rd Day, Gen 2:4 the SAME Day the first Earth was made. Gen 1:10 When God commanded that life come from the water, life came forth from the water on ALL three HeavenS.

Gen 1:20 ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,

***These men who wrote The Bible were inspired by God. Are you telling me that you somehow have some special knowledge that they weren't privy to when God spoke to them and not to you.

Absolutely, and God told Daniel How to hide His Truth from ancient men.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

God exhibits His Supreme Intelligence by hiding His Truth in plain sight. ONLY the people in the last days will be able to understand the Bible BECAUSE knowledge has increased to the point where Genesis can finally be understood.

*** What do you mean by this? God wanted you to believe sounds like you are saying that he deceived us.+

By hiding His Truth from ancient people God insured that ONLY by Faith in His Word could they be saved. It was the same with you since you believed without knowing the details of what He did in the beginning. In the last days ALL Flesh will know His Truth:

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Amen?

 

[dysert]

Aman, you have a very unusual yet intriguing view of creation, Eden, Adam & Eve, etc. Do you have the whole thing written down somewhere so that we could see it all at once instead of pieces at a time? I think it would also speak volumes if you could somehow create a picture of what you think everything looked like before the Fall.

 

[Aman777]

Aman, you have a very unusual yet intriguing view of creation, Eden, Adam & Eve, etc. Do you have the whole thing written down somewhere so that we could see it all at once instead of pieces at a time? I think it would also speak volumes if you could somehow create a picture of what you think everything looked like before the Fall.

It's really hard to put all the facts together at one time since the most recent discoveries of Science reveal more and more about what Genesis is actually teaching. A good example was announced in Feb 11, 2015 when the Planck Satellite discovered that it was some 560 Million years after the Big Bang before the first Stars of our Universe lit up. http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/02/planck-results-first-stars-were-born-later-than-we-thought/

Genesis 2:4 shows that the beginning of our Cosmos was on the 3rd Day, the same Day or time when Adam's Earth was made. Gen 1:16 shows that the first Stars lit up on the 4th Day, which agrees with Planck's discovery and gives us an idea of how long a "Day" is to God.

At the end of October 2015, another discovery may have confirmed that we indeed, live in a Multiverse, as Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4 show. I first saw an article from New Scientist but it was withdrawn to everyone except their subscribers. Here is another article which explains. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ight-spots-Big-Bang-universe-bumping-own.html

Currently L.I.S.A. Pathfinder, which measures gravitational waves, is being readied by the European Space Agency and may be able to detect gravitational waves from another Universe. Since things shown in Genesis One are just now being discovered, I believe the best way to communicate this is by message boards.

Before the fall, Adam was like Jesus, called Lord God (Heb-YHWH) by the King James translators. Adam lived with Jesus in a perfect body like Christians will have in Heaven and was not limited to his Earth the way Humans (descendants of Adam) are today. Adam lived with Jesus from the 3rd Day (Gen 2:4-7) until the present 6th Day. This dates him at more than 13.8 Billion years of age since he was made BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos.

Adam had a Shekinah Glory or brightness which surrounded him and he also had an intelligence level like God's. Gen 3:22 Since Adam was made before the plants, herbs, trees or ANY other living creature, he has preeminence or first place among all other creatures. All other living creatures were made Billions of years AFTER Adam was made. This reveals the False Theory of Evolution to be totally Wrong since Adam could NOT have evolved from ANY other creature since he was first made. That is WHY Adam (mankind) is destined to have dominion or rule over all other creatures AFTER Jesus returns to our Earth. Gen 1:28 Amen?

 

[Hoghead1]

I don't think creationists are Bible bound. I think it more accurate to say that they are bound to their interpretation or theory of the composition of Scripture. They take Scripture to be inerrant. But that simply means they hold with the human-made inerrancy theory of Scripture. Like any theory, it needs tested. They refuse to do so. However, when it is tested out, it doesn't hold. For one thing, there are simply too many contradictions in Scripture, not the least of which is the Genesis account, which gives two contradictory chronologies of creation. As far as the biblical geophysics go, starting with he Reformation, theologians realized that the Bible is hardly inerrant, not with its flat earth, etc. Hence, Calvin emphasized that God did not intend to give us an astronomy lesson through Scripture.

 

[Black Dog]

If the chosen were full grown, that would be silly.
Animals don't eat or drink during hibernation.
The requirements were not "all animals".
Only those that walked on land. And not
all species. Only the number God decided
was needed to repopulate quickly. And HE
would know the minimum number needed
even if you can't figure it.

Er, not very many animals go into hibernation, and then most only when it is very cold. I don't recall the bible mentioning how cold it was. Or are you including Aestivation? Again, AFAIK there aren't a lot of animals that quit eating for the entire summer.

 

[Black Dog]

So when you say Creationist are Bible Bound you are ignorant of the Living God at work around us, and how to be born again to see the Kingdom of God, as plainly stated in the Gospel of John 3:3.

The Bible is mere paper with letters in it. You forgot about the Author, and His Kingdom in our midst.

By definition, creationist beliefs are from the bible, by taking it literally, so they are bound by it.

Kent Hovind is running into this problem since his release from jail. He has made a fortune saying everything in the bible must be taken literally, and thus YEC is true, but now a lot YECs are pointing out that taking the bible literally also means accepting that the earth is flat. Of course Mr. Hovind conveniently decided that the bible should be taken literally, except the parts which make him look like an idiot, that those are just metaphors. Kind of like a lot of the YECs in this thread.. I'm sure you can see the problem YECs have.

 

[Black Dog]

He is revealing that truth which ONLY the people of the last days, with increased knowledge, could possibly understand. He told Daniel HOW He hid this truth.

Do you have any proof that these are the last days? I know the liar, deceiver, and criminal Kent Hovind states that, but why would anyone believe him?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you have any proof that these are the last days? I know the liar, deceiver, and criminal Kent Hovind states that, but why would anyone believe him?

I wish someone would make a parody of a church run by a pastor who interprets the Bible like scientists do.

I can see it now:

First Church of the Geocentric Flat Earth

And on the sign at the entrance?

"Shoot 'em all and let God sort'em out."

 

[Black Dog]

I wish someone would make a parody of a church run by a pastor who interprets the Bible like scientists do.

I can see it now:

First Church of the Geocentric Flat Earth

And on the sign at the entrance?

"Shoot 'em all and let God sort'em out."

Come on AV, you're better than that.

How can creationists justify their beliefs, which requires taking the bible literally, then deny a flat earth when that's what the bible literally states?

I understand why creationists are trying to talk their way out of this, but unless they can show a mechanism that explains what should and should not be taken literally in the bible, isn't going to work. You can't willy nilly say "this part of the bible is literally true, but this part isn't" and expect any critical thinker to accept it, especially when virtually very Christian in the world has a different idea of what is and isn't literally true..

 

[Aman777]

Do you have any proof that these are the last days? I know the liar, deceiver, and criminal Kent Hovind states that, but why would anyone believe him?

Sure. In the last days the Scoffers will NOT believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 The proof is in your answer. Also, I have no idea why anyone would believe Kent Hovind since he has NO idea what Genesis teaches. Amen?

 

[Black Dog]

Also, I have no idea why anyone would believe Kent Hovind since he has NO idea what Genesis teaches. Amen?

Amen! It's always good to find common ground.

 

[Aman777]

Come on AV, you're better than that.

How can creationists justify their beliefs, which requires taking the bible literally, then deny a flat earth when that's what the bible literally states?

I understand why creationists are trying to talk their way out of this, but unless they can show a mechanism that explains what should and should not be taken literally in the bible, isn't going to work. You can't willy nilly say "this part of the bible is literally true, but this part isn't" and expect any critical thinker to accept it, especially when virtually very Christian in the world has a different idea of what is and isn't literally true..

I'm a Creationist who believes the Bible should be taken Literally and which shows that Adam's Earth was FLAT. I also support my understanding with the AGREEMENT of Scripture, Science and History. This changes one's religious "beliefs" into scientific and historic facts. Amen?

 

[Black Dog]

Sure. In the last days the Scoffers will NOT believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 The proof is in your answer.

But there have undoubtedly always been people who scoffed at the idea of a world wide flood. Also, since the time of Jesus people have been using the bible to predict the end times, yet they have always been wrong. Heck, even Jesus got it wrong when he predicted the end times, and his return, in less than 100 years.

 

[Aman777]

Amen! It's always good to find common ground.

I agree and I have many friends online including people with degrees in Physics AND atheists, agnostics and Born Again Bible Believing Christians. Amen?

 

[Black Dog]

I'm a Creationist who believes the Bible should be taken Literally and which shows that Adam's Earth was FLAT. I also support my understanding with the AGREEMENT of Scripture, Science and History. This changes one's religious "beliefs" into scientific and historic facts. Amen?

OK, I think I understand your position. Just so you understand my position, I'm against creationism being taught in science class. I have no problem teaching it in applicable classes, such as comparative religion.

Anyways, it sounds like you might agree that creationism should not be taught in science class. Is this correct?

 

[AV1611VET]

Come on AV, you're better than that.

How can creationists justify their beliefs, which requires taking the bible literally, then deny a flat earth when that's what the bible literally states?

I understand why creationists are trying to talk their way out of this, but unless they can show a mechanism that explains what should and should not be taken literally in the bible, isn't going to work. You can't willy nilly say "this part of the bible is literally true, but this part isn't" and expect any critical thinker to accept it, especially when virtually very Christian in the world has a different idea of what is and isn't literally true..

Then put the Bible back in school where It belongs and learn to recognize what is literal and what is a figure of speech.

If you're really interested in being Biblically mature ... which I don't think you are ... then you would employ a set of standards that allow you to differentiate between the two.

And even if your standards are wrong, you would at least get an A for effort.

You guys are so hot-shot with your standards of science ... your so-called scientific method ... but when it comes to any standards of Biblical interpretation, you guys are some of the sorriest people around here.

Under the guise of wanting us to sort all this stuff out that your science ties in a knot, you guys vent and ridicule.

As I'm fond of saying:

All you scientists are dong here is venting and ridiculing from behind question marks.