can christians NOT be nudists

[walk the talk]

I think on a beach etc if there is toplessness (as in Europe, Canada, etc.), the best strategy is probably to ignore it.

I belong to a nudist club and believe me it is wonderful. It just quickly becomes normal and you just enjoy it instead of staring.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I belong to a nudist club and believe me it is wonderful. It just quickly becomes normal and you just enjoy it instead of staring.

Well, I wasn't thinking of 'full' nudism, but of the toplessness that is widespread on many beaches, especially outside the US. Not all beaches are nudist, but there are many beaches where toplessness is practised and I reckon the best thing is to learn to ignore it.

 

[Towerbloke]

Prior to the Fall, Adam and Eve did not possess a knowledge of good and evil. They lived in perfect dependence upon their Creator and wandered around naked without even the suggestion of any moral issues.

After the Fall mankind possessed the knowledge of good and evil, so we chose to live independently from our Creator. With the knowledge of good and evil came lust, and the whole landscape with regard to human nakedness changed dramatically. Whereas previously men and women could wander around in the nude with absolutely no moral implications, this became an impossibility after the fall. Consequently we now need to remain clothed in order to reduce the potential for sinning through lust.

 

[walk the talk]

Prior to the Fall, Adam and Eve did not possess a knowledge of good and evil. They lived in perfect dependence upon their Creator and wandered around naked without even the suggestion of any moral issues.

After the Fall mankind possessed the knowledge of good and evil, so we chose to live independently from our Creator. With the knowledge of good and evil came lust, and the whole landscape with regard to human nakedness changed dramatically. Whereas previously men and women could wander around in the nude with absolutely no moral implications, this became an impossibility after the fall. Consequently we now need to remain clothed in order to reduce the potential for sinning through lust.

You seem to be skipping over a couple thousand years where humans had to wash themselves in any natural source of water available which until lately, the last couple hundred years only was done mostly in public places such as rivers and lakes. So I guess that blows your useless theory out of the water so to speak. Even Jesus himself would have had to bathe am I wrong?

 

[OGM]

Consequently we now need to remain clothed in order to reduce the potential for sinning through lust.

How about medical personnel?

 

[Towerbloke]

You seem to be skipping over a couple thousand years where humans had to wash themselves in any natural source of water available which until lately, the last couple hundred years only was done mostly in public places such as rivers and lakes. So I guess that blows your useless theory out of the water so to speak. Even Jesus himself would have had to bathe am I wrong?

You have missed my point completely.... Go back and read the opening statement in this thread. No matter what era or circumstances, people usually have the opportunity to choose nudity or modesty.

(If perchance a person had his pants blown off in a hurricane, then he did not CHOOSE nudity, did he.)

 

[walk the talk]

How about medical personnel?

According to tower bloke all medical personnel are hell bound I guess. God forbid that Jesus himself could have bathed in public, talking to a young local, attractive woman about the values of his teachings while being nude himself.

 

[walk the talk]

You have missed my point completely.... Go back and read the opening statement in this thread. No matter what era or circumstances, people usually have the opportunity to choose nudity or modesty.

(If perchance a person had his pants blown off in a hurricane, then he did not CHOOSE nudity, did he.)

Modesty depends on what situation modesty is present. For example on a nude beach modesty would be to stay nude as everyone else. To be in a conservative church modesty would be to wear the suit and tie the same as all the other men. Immodesty according to the nude beach would be to wear a bathing suit.

 

[Towerbloke]

According to tower bloke all medical personnel are hell bound I guess. God forbid that Jesus himself could have bathed in public, talking to a young local, attractive woman about the values of his teachings while being nude himself.

I get the impression that you have come into this forum to provoke an argument.

The person who started the Thread asked "Why should christians be nudists?" - what does that to do with Hell-bound medical personnel and Jesus bathing in public?

 

[walk the talk]

I get the impression that you have come into this forum to provoke an argument.

The person who started the Thread asked "Why should christians be nudists?" - what does that to do with Hell-bound medical personnel and Jesus bathing in public?

I think every person whether they are Christian or not has every right with good moral motives to be nude where being nude is apropriate and modest.

No argument here just my opinion.

Also my other point is that since Jesus would have bathed in public when he walked the earth I believe he would have no problems with it, again in a proper moral situation which would be modest for a nudest to be in.

 

[listed]

Prior to the Fall, Adam and Eve did not possess a knowledge of good and evil. They lived in perfect dependence upon their Creator and wandered around naked without even the suggestion of any moral issues.

After the Fall mankind possessed the knowledge of good and evil, so we chose to live independently from our Creator. With the knowledge of good and evil came lust, and the whole landscape with regard to human nakedness changed dramatically. Whereas previously men and women could wander around in the nude with absolutely no moral implications, this became an impossibility after the fall. Consequently we now need to remain clothed in order to reduce the potential for sinning through lust.

IMO clothing causes more lust.

 

[WindStaff]

In a like way St. Augustine explains it,
lust occurs out of the soul's inept ability to control the body when temptation exists. This means ultimately that it's not just the body, but the very soul involved in the sin, as both body and soul betray each other.

And this makes it, by the textbook, a mortal sin.

A lot of people don't fully understand what's really going on. When one is not dressed modestly, they ultimately are welcoming the splitting of people's being for the sake of their self gratification.

From God's perspective, this is wicked, and according to His religion it is virtually incontrovertible that nudism and promiscuity are something mankind can handle.
It cannot be rightfully taught or progressed in the world.

 

[walk the talk]

In a like way St. Augustine explains it,
lust occurs out of the soul's inept ability to control the body when temptation exists. This means ultimately that it's not just the body, but the very soul involved in the sin, as both body and soul betray each other.

And this makes it, by the textbook, a mortal sin.

A lot of people don't fully understand what's really going on. When one is not dressed modestly, they ultimately are welcoming the splitting of people's being for the sake of their self gratification.

From God's perspective, this is wicked, and according to His religion it is virtually incontrovertible that nudism and promiscuity are something mankind can handle.
It cannot be rightfully taught or progressed in the world.

i totally agree with you, read earlier on my post about dressing modestly. God bless

 

[walk the talk]

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[walk the talk]

In a like way St. Augustine explains it,
lust occurs out of the soul's inept ability to control the body when temptation exists. This means ultimately that it's not just the body, but the very soul involved in the sin, as both body and soul betray each other.

And this makes it, by the textbook, a mortal sin.

A lot of people don't fully understand what's really going on. When one is not dressed modestly, they ultimately are welcoming the splitting of people's being for the sake of their self gratification.

From God's perspective, this is wicked, and according to His religion it is virtually incontrovertible that nudism and promiscuity are something mankind can handle.
It cannot be rightfully taught or progressed in the world.

By the way nudism shouldn't be confused with immodesty, I think that is where you have drifted away from the truth a little.

 

[A Catholic Friend]

If nudity in art is ok what if a Christian nudist wanted to send a nudist Christmas card? Is it ok if it's art and not a photograph?

 

[Darkhorse]

Actually, many of the official U.S. Christmas stamps have artwork featuring a nude baby Jesus, and sometimes a bare-breasted Mary (feeding him).

 

[listed]

In a like way St. Augustine explains it,
lust occurs out of the soul's inept ability to control the body when temptation exists. This means ultimately that it's not just the body, but the very soul involved in the sin, as both body and soul betray each other.

And this makes it, by the textbook, a mortal sin.

A lot of people don't fully understand what's really going on. When one is not dressed modestly, they ultimately are welcoming the splitting of people's being for the sake of their self gratification.

From God's perspective, this is wicked, and according to His religion it is virtually incontrovertible that nudism and promiscuity are something mankind can handle.
It cannot be rightfully taught or progressed in the world.

You are changing the subject by implying nudity is promiscuity. Your argument is based on the conditioned attitude all nudity is for sex and bathing only. You really are saying what God said is good to be sin.

 

[walk the talk]

You are changing the subject by implying nudity is promiscuity. Your argument is based on the conditioned attitude all nudity is for sex and bathing only. You really are saying what God said is good to be sin.

I guess some people just don't get it. I think the best way to learn about nudism and what it is all about would be to emerse them in it. The same approach to learning a new language. I doubt they would see nudity the same after a month of Emerson in the lifestyle.

 

[listed]

I guess some people just don't get it. I think the best way to learn about nudism and what it is all about would be to emerse them in it. The same approach to learning a new language. I doubt they would see nudity the same after a month of Emerson in the lifestyle.

I think it is fun to watch those who can not defend their position with anything more than what they have become accustomed to. They have lots of straw.